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JAMESBJOHNSON
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Yes, that's exactly it.
I knew it!
Crimes of Passion
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I knew it!
She didn't have sex with the 16 year old.
She "became involved" with him when he was 14 and she was in her mid to late 20s.
So what were you referring to then, when you talked about how what you did was a crime, here?
If you're adamant that you did nothing wrong or illegal, then why did you call it a crime?
Grace got pinned for sending her tits to a 14 year old. You've said he was 1 of 6 guys you "fucked around with" and that you "got involved" with him.
If it had just been, as you're now claiming, a platonic relationship with just emails and no sexual content whatsoever, why even mention it now as wrong?
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Ahhhh. Are you watching the Michigan game on espn?
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Grace was a teacher. Not a chatty cathy from a video game board.
Little difference....Just adding for context.
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Grace was not a teacher, but a middle school vice principle. Plus the boy in question wasn't even in the same state. PLUS it was never physical.
Want to spout more stupid shit?
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Sasha_Lyazzat
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None in America.
Maybe if you felt you were past your prime and needed the ego boost. 25 year olds don't typically need to be flattered by attention from a 14 year old.
It's flattering when a young guy thinks you're hot if -you're- not young.
Some called it a crime of passion. I called it a bonfire.
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I get what you and others say PLUS I have a huge fund of personal and professional experiences, and females grab any opportunity to fuck that comes along....if they wont be caught. Its almost epidemic in the schools around here. The female teachers cant get enough of the young guys.
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No one misinterpreted. You did not misspeak.
By your own account, "messing around" or not, you abused a child. Own it or get used to others reminding you of it. You are not special. You are a garden-variety predator. Spelling your defenses and/or deflections well, bears no correlation to the possibility that your behavior might have been vile and even criminal. "I was doing it to help him" and "he was older than his age" is not exactly an original set of rationalizations for pathological behavior.
Also, I'm curious about this answer:
You remember so much about him and that time: the details of his age, your meeting, the subjects of your conversations, the games you played, when and to whom he lost his virginity. You know the ages of the other five people you were "messing around" with. You remember all that with great detail.
You also know the ages at which you were married and divorced. You know your children's ages. You know where you were living and what you were doing when you were "messing around" with him--which, by your account, took place over the course of several years. You know when he went to college, presuming the cheerleading story is true. You speak of him and your predatory "relationship" as if it was quite special to you.
And yet, you can't quite put your finger on what time frame you were talking to him? This seems odd. You don't remember if you were married and cheating? Or if you had no babies or one or even two? You don't remember if you had to make an excuse to a husband to go meet the 16-year-old and "fool around" on the front seat of his car?
Unlikely. I'm guessing you know exactly when it was, and have a reason for pretending you're fuzzy about it.
It's bad enough you assume that spelling well makes you special. I hope you don't also assume that you spelling well makes everyone else dumb.
By your own account, "messing around" or not, you abused a child. Own it or get used to others reminding you of it. You are not special. You are a garden-variety predator. Spelling your defenses and/or deflections well, bears no correlation to the possibility that your behavior might have been vile and even criminal. "I was doing it to help him" and "he was older than his age" is not exactly an original set of rationalizations for pathological behavior.
Also, I'm curious about this answer:
You remember so much about him and that time: the details of his age, your meeting, the subjects of your conversations, the games you played, when and to whom he lost his virginity. You know the ages of the other five people you were "messing around" with. You remember all that with great detail.
You also know the ages at which you were married and divorced. You know your children's ages. You know where you were living and what you were doing when you were "messing around" with him--which, by your account, took place over the course of several years. You know when he went to college, presuming the cheerleading story is true. You speak of him and your predatory "relationship" as if it was quite special to you.
And yet, you can't quite put your finger on what time frame you were talking to him? This seems odd. You don't remember if you were married and cheating? Or if you had no babies or one or even two? You don't remember if you had to make an excuse to a husband to go meet the 16-year-old and "fool around" on the front seat of his car?
Unlikely. I'm guessing you know exactly when it was, and have a reason for pretending you're fuzzy about it.
It's bad enough you assume that spelling well makes you special. I hope you don't also assume that you spelling well makes everyone else dumb.
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Rolling Stone magazine had an article on Ted Nugent a few months back, when he was on tour from 75-79 (at ages 25-29) he deflowered literally dozens of 12 to 15 year olds. The sad thing was he had an enormous support system to promote his pedastry, and nobody ever tried to stop him.
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in the uk, 16 years of age is legal - plenty engage in activity then, earlier, or not till they're 18, 19, or in their 20's. it's an individual thing.
the concept of 18 being the age you suddenly stop being a child and become sexually aware/active is a little strange. intended to protect, no doubt, but raises a lot of stupid issues.
the concept of 18 being the age you suddenly stop being a child and become sexually aware/active is a little strange. intended to protect, no doubt, but raises a lot of stupid issues.
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Some states do have different rules. Courtney had her fame-whore mother's consent.
14 and presumably 29 is not okay. I don't think it's okay even in Arkansas any more.
But the crux of the matter is--we crucify guys who come on here talking about such matters but it's okay to just brush it aside when it's an older woman/younger man? The age of consent on Lit is 18, frankly I'm surprised this original post still exists.
14 and presumably 29 is not okay. I don't think it's okay even in Arkansas any more.
But the crux of the matter is--we crucify guys who come on here talking about such matters but it's okay to just brush it aside when it's an older woman/younger man? The age of consent on Lit is 18, frankly I'm surprised this original post still exists.
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my crime of passion, if you will, was opening an inch-long slit in my second husband's face with a small kitchen knife.
it wasn't deliberate, but a defensive warding away as he was yelling in my face, shoving and knocking me around the kitchen while i was trying to cook dinner for us all.
i was devastated and wanted to call the police; he thought it was cool i'd retaliated. each time it tried to close (it really needed stitching) he'd pull the edges apart to make sure he had a good scar. how fucked is that?
it wasn't deliberate, but a defensive warding away as he was yelling in my face, shoving and knocking me around the kitchen while i was trying to cook dinner for us all.
i was devastated and wanted to call the police; he thought it was cool i'd retaliated. each time it tried to close (it really needed stitching) he'd pull the edges apart to make sure he had a good scar. how fucked is that?
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14 and 29 for a sexual involvement, no.
online role-playing while she didn't know his age (and mostly killing stuff, from what reci posted) is one thing. to continue in any sexual-influenced involvement once she knew his age was wrong. we all have done wrong and made poor judgements in our lives. she met him when he was 16 and hugged him . . . again, not something i'd have done, ill-advised but not exactly scandal of the century. her term 'fooling around' in the car has connotations that made the whole thing sound (i would imagine, and believe) far seedier than it was and people here have lit the torches. IF it was a blatant groom and meet then i'd be one of the very first to decry reci. I honestly don't believe this was the case, and my opinion's not going to be changed by others getting incensed over it.
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I think you missed the part where she said she knew his age before he ever confessed it and continued with the relationship anyway.
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i don't believe crucifying or brushing under the carpet is the way to deal with this stuff, personally. i do believe in one rule for everybody, regardless of gender. always have.
i don't think it was either, and like i said earlier i don't think she's a predator. i think she was messed up (in a cult at the time or something?) and she didn't make a good decision.
at the end of the day he was 14, a kid, and whether or not you think you're actually damaging someone, you have the responsibility as an adult not to take that risk when you're fucking around with a child. i think she failed in that responsibility, she didn't set out to harm him but she should have known better.
my primary outrage was in her now laughing it off and claiming she actually rehabilitated him.
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