ADHD drug Ritalin linked to heart damage.

[geronimo_appleby]

Bull Crap.

Only three criteria count: Attention span, compliance, and threatened harm.

So blow your nonsense out your ass.

bugger. i hate to agree with jbj, but...

he nailed it.

(shit)

 

[RobDownSouth]

And when assessing inattention you don't rule out the diagnosis because of satisfactory attention during pleasurable and stimulating situations. You just don't - read the DSM.

And threatened harm isn't a criteria for ADHD either. For someone who claims to be a psychologist you really don't seem to know much about psychology.

One of the more interesting things I've noticed in a decade here on Lit is the number of people claiming to be licensed/registered/certified psychologists.

Almost half of them can make a coherent argument, too!

Side note: Go suck AJ's dick, Wat. The adults are having a conversation here.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

I confess, Wat, I am a cum-guzzling take-it-in-the-ass moron, and I want your gristle whistle shoved in all my orifices.

I know, Honey, but you're too st00pid.

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[pointless]

stop kicking aj's puppy. he's getting snippy.

 

[mercury14]

bugger. i hate to agree with jbj, but...

he nailed it.

(shit)

If you spend 10 seconds googling ADHD symptoms you'll see he's flat wrong. James is either lying about his profession or he's incompetent.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

And when assessing inattention you don't rule out the diagnosis because of satisfactory attention during pleasurable and stimulating situations. You just don't - read the DSM.

And threatened harm isn't a criteria for ADHD either. For someone who claims to be a psychologist you really don't seem to know much about psychology.

MERC? The perfessers change the DSM about every other week, so fuck them. What folks want is a child with an attention span longer than the reign of the next rock star, compliance with rules and directions, and low probability of risk to self or others.

Since 1967 the perfessers have blamed sugar, food dyes, mom's alcohol problem, dad's genes, global warming, sequestration, and the Bush tax cuts for short attention spans and hyperactivity. So I agree with Richard Gardners novel idea that maybe ADHD is a syndrome with many causes (like bankruptcy). But Ritalin aint gonna help immaturity.

My guess is you've never seen real ADHD. Its not pleasant to observe. Theyre not kids that chatter too much or daydream. Theyre impulsive, volatile, and dangerous.

 

[KRCummings]

Usually WQ threads start stupid because she's stupid and started the thread. Duh.
Then they turn on her and she gets all defensive. Then it goes off track for a while. Then she comes back and gets defensive about her lies again. Then everyone just writes off the thread as another WQ bullshit rant where maybe three words were true.
This one just went straight to stupid.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Here's my definition of Borderline Personality Disorder (you can collect a whole library of books about it and be no better informed):

A Borderline is a person you want to stab thru the heart with your pencil 15 minutes after you meet them. Borderline means theyre psychotic 1/2 the time, and in the grips of a panic attack the other 1/2.

 

[mercury14]

MERC? The perfessers change the DSM about every other week, so fuck them. What folks want is a child with an attention span longer than the reign of the next rock star, compliance with rules and directions, and low probability of risk to self or others.

Since 1967 the perfessers have blamed sugar, food dyes, mom's alcohol problem, dad's genes, global warming, sequestration, and the Bush tax cuts for short attention spans and hyperactivity. So I agree with Richard Gardners novel idea that maybe ADHD is a syndrome with many causes (like bankruptcy). But Ritalin aint gonna help immaturity.

My guess is you've never seen real ADHD. Its not pleasant to observe. Theyre not kids that chatter too much or daydream. Theyre impulsive, volatile, and dangerous.

Let's review how often the DSM has been changing:

- DSM-IV (1994)
- DSM-V (2013)

You might call that "about every other week" but it's actually 988 weeks. If that rate of change is too much for you to keep up with then you're too stupid to be in the field.

Basically your subjective, unsubstantiated ADHD criteria is dead wrong. Individuals with even severe ADHD can and do focus just fine on pleasurable activities and it doesn't disqualify them from the diagnosis. You're just plain wrong.

 

[mercury14]

Here's my definition of Borderline Personality Disorder (you can collect a whole library of books about it and be no better informed):

A Borderline is a person you want to stab thru the heart with your pencil 15 minutes after you meet them. Borderline means theyre psychotic 1/2 the time, and in the grips of a panic attack the other 1/2.

Borderline has nothing to do with psychosis other than possible comorbidity, however psychotic symptoms are best described by the other disorders. Again you're wrong and you sound like you're just making things up.

I've never had the urge to heart stab patients. Perhaps you'd be better off diagnosing off patient presentation rather than your own emotions?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Let's review how often the DSM has been changing:

- DSM-IV (1994)
- DSM-V (2013)

You might call that "about every other week" but it's actually 988 weeks. If that rate of change is too much for you to keep up with then you're too stupid to be in the field.

Basically your subjective, unsubstantiated ADHD criteria is dead wrong. Individuals with even severe ADHD can and do focus just fine on pleasurable activities and it doesn't disqualify them from the diagnosis. You're just plain wrong.

Maybe now JAMESBWHITETRASH will drop his "I wuz a psychologist" garbage.

At best, he had an Intro To Psychology class in junior college.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Borderline has nothing to do with psychosis other than possible comorbidity, however psychotic symptoms are best described by the other disorders. Again you're wrong and you sound like you're just making things up.

I've never had the urge to heart stab patients. Perhaps you'd be better off diagnosing off patient presentation rather than your own emotions?

Lets remind everyone that until DSM 3 gay was a mental disorder, and then it wasn't. What changed? The perfessers votes. Votes! Smells like American Idol don't it?

Lets also remind the folks that insurance wont pay for shit that aint medicated.

MERC is an industry hack and lackey.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Lets remind everyone that until DSM 3 gay was a mental disorder, and then it wasn't. What changed? The perfessers votes. Votes! Smells like American Idol don't it?

Lets also remind the folks that insurance wont pay for shit that aint medicated.

MERC is an industry hack and lackey.

They used to treat syphillis with arsenic, too. Things change as more research is done.

DSM III came out in 1978. A lot of research has occurred since then, which leads to updates.

I'm not surprised you are babbling about diagnostics that has been obsolete for over a third of a century.

Did you ever treat your "patients" with leeches?

 

[dan_c00000]

Jenny McCarthy called and wants her moron brain back.

ADHD Drugs Not Linked to Increased Heart Risks in Adults

Study May Calm Fears That the Stimulant Drugs Can Lead to Heart Attacks


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Dec. 12, 2011 -- A study of 150,000 adults taking drugs for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) found no conclusive evidence that the medications increase the risk for heart attack, stroke, or sudden death from heart-related causes.

The research, published online Monday in the Journal of the American Medical Association, comes just over a month after the same investigators found that the drugs likely do not raise the risk for serious heart problems in children and young adults, based on their study of more than 1.2 million young users.

Millions of children and adults in the U.S. take stimulants such as Adderall, Concerta, Metadate, Methylin, Ritalin, or the non-stimulant Strattera to treat ADHD symptoms such as hyperactivity, impulse control, and trouble focusing.

The new findings should reassure adult patients who take ADHD drugs, but they do not rule out a modest increase in risk associated with their use, says researcher Laurel A. Habel, PhD, a research scientist with the Kaiser Permanente Division of Research in Oakland, Calif.

“With any drug there are potential risks, and these drugs can increase blood pressure,” she tells WebMD. “But if there is an increase in [heart-related] events, our study suggests that it is slight.”



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ADHD Drugs and the Heart

Use of stimulant and non-stimulant ADHD drugs has increased rapidly among adults over the past decade, with almost one in three prescriptions now written for adults.

The drugs can increase blood pressure and heart rate. In 2006, reports of health issues led the FDA to commission the largest studies ever conducted examining ADHD drug-related heart risks in children and adults.

In the latest study, researchers followed slightly more than 150,000 adults who had been prescribed stimulant or non-stimulant ADHD medication and about 300,000 adults with no history of ADHD drug use.

The study period lasted about two decades, during which time there were 1,357 heart attacks, 296 sudden deaths from cardiac arrest, and 575 strokes recorded.

Use of ADHD drugs was not associated with an increased risk of any of these three outcomes, even among users with prior heart disease.

Although the studies do not support claims that ADHD drugs significantly increase the risk for life-threatening heart events, the researchers conclude that a modest increase in risk associated with their use cannot be ruled out.

“These studies provide an important piece of the puzzle that we have not had,” says Vanderbilt University professor of pediatrics and preventive medicine William O. Cooper, MD, who led the study in children.

ADHD Drugs: Is EKG Needed?

Cooper tells WebMD that the two studies provide the strongest evidence to date calming fears that stimulant and non-stimulant ADHD drugs raise the risk for heart attack, stroke, and sudden cardiac death.

Concerns that they did led to a 2008 recommendation by the American Heart Association that children and teens have electrocardiograms (EKGs) to check for heart problems before going on stimulant medication for treatment of ADHD.

In an editorial published with the study, ADHD researcher Philip Shaw, MD, PhD, of the National Institutes of Health concluded that there is now little evidence to support this recommendation.

American Heart Association past-President Robert Bonow, MD, says the two studies were well designed and well executed and he agrees that the findings are reassuring.

Bonow is a professor of medicine at Northwestern University in Chicago.

“There has been something of a dark cloud over these drugs with regard to their impact on the heart,” he says. “These findings should put many of these fears to rest, but it is still important to know an individual patient’s risk. Patients with heart disease and those who have a high risk for heart disease need to be monitored if they take these drugs.”

ADHD medications won't increase adults' heart risks, says study




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(CBS) Adults who take medication for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) do not face an increased risk for major heart problems, according to the authors of a new study.


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Earlier studies have shown that ADHD drugs raise blood pressure and heart rate. That sounded an alarm among researchers who thought those increases might lead to more heart attacks, strokes, or heart failure among pill-takers.


"There had been concern about the cardiovascular safety of these medications," study author Dr. Laurel Habel a research scientist at Kaiser Permanente Northern Calif., told Reuters. "We didn't see any evidence that these medications increased the risk of any of these events."

For the study, researchers compared two decades' worth of data on 150,000 adults with ADHD with data from nearly 300,000 adults who don't have the disorder. The most commonly used ADHD drugs were methylphenidate, sold as Ritalin, and amphetamine, sold as Aderall. The study also looked at non-stimulant ADHD drugs.

What did the study find? No increased risk for serious heart problems among the adults who took ADHD medication. Researchers also didn't see any increased risk when they compared different ADHD drugs, or based on whether adults were new, long-term, or former users who had stopped medication.

The results were published in the Dec. 12 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association.


"With any drug there are potential risks, and these drugs can increase blood pressure," Habel told WebMD. "But if there is an increase in [heart-related] events, our study suggests that it is slight."

The study was reassuring for the 1.5 million U.S. adults who are prescribed medication for ADHD. The results echo recent findings in children who take ADHD drugs, CBS News reported.

The study did raise key issues, according to Dr. Philip Shaw, a psychiatry researcher from the Human Genome Research Institute in Bethesda. Md. Shaw wrote in an accompanying editorial that the study didn't look enough at certain groups of people who may be high risk, like adults who already have heart disease.

"Joint care by cardiologists and other physicians remains necessary for these individuals," Shaw said.

Other experts welcomed the news.


"There has been something of a dark cloud over these drugs with regard to their impact on the heart," American Heart Association past-President Robert Bonow, told WebMD. "These findings should put many of these fears to rest."

ADHD is usually first diagnosed in childhood, but often lasts through adulthood. Symptoms include inattentiveness, daydreaming, forgetting things, acting and speaking impulsively, and fidgeting or a need to be in constant motion. There is no known cause for ADHD, but possible risk factors include genetics, birth weight, environmental exposure, and alcohol or tobacco during pregnancy.

 

[khbostic]

ADD affects 5 to 20% of school age children,males 10 x more than girls are diagnosed with it.I ve been a member of the Life Extension Foundation off and on now,for maybe 16 yrs.With membership yrly dues of $82.50,here in the states,a 50 buck disease prevention and trtmt book comes free.

My 3rd ed is as big as a big city phone book.They concentrate mostly on things you can get from health food store supplement type outlets,though they have 20 world class docs and 20 world class scientists on their advisory board.

They have a few pgs on ADD,Said its characterized by impulsivity and short attention span,inappropriate for the kids age.Usually inherited and involves brain neurotransmitter levels;3 types:without hyperactivity,with it,and residual ,this last continues into adulthood.

20% have learning disabilities,90% have poor academic performance.40% may be depressed ,or anxious,and/or confrontational,and/or low frustration tolerance.

Its important to know that physical and sexual abuse can also look like ADD symptoms ,family violence,stress, tensions,depression.Alergies may also play a part,and keep them off sugar is a main one.

Primarily treated with psychostimulants,ritalin,cylert,amphetamine,and behavior modification.Biofeedback training has shown some effectiveness,consider allergy testing as they trigger ADD.

The Life extension foundation suggests alternatives to psychostimulants to choose from,like their life extension mix,a bit pricey lots of anti oxidants and vitamins,minerals in it,I might say if money were no problem,I d use it;but ,I take a one a day ,as Im budget minded.Choline cooler,a patent med supplement with the choline in it,1/3 of our nervous system is made of choline;

Twin Lab s Amino fuel;Cognitex,a special formula that the life extension makes/carries with 1/2 a doz cognitive enhancement things in it that also is used for cognitive decline in the elderly;1800 544 4440 is their ph no here in the Miami FL area,online at www.lef.org


You have to specifically request a list of offshore suppliers that sell piracetam,another ritalin alternative.However,l glutamine a spoonful of powdered type furnishes about 5000 mg of glutamine is highly similar to piracetam cheaper,easier to get,and its also in Whey protein powder some great stuff for about everything...
Theres a book out called Healing ADD The Breakthrough Program That Allows You to See and Heal the 6 types of ADD by Daniel G Amen,M D $14.95 in U S,,21.99 in CA,ISBN 0-425-18327-0 penguin pub co or www.penguinputnam.com

I have a couple books in my personal library shelf like Smart Drugs and Nutrients,1 and 2 byWard Dean, MDand John Morgenthaler/How to improve your memory and increase your intelligence using the latest discoveries in neuroscience $12.95 on book 1, ISBN 0-9627418-9-2 Its 220 pgs on the 1st smart drugs book ,I loved it...

 

[KRCummings]

ADD affects 5 to 20% of school age children,males 10 x more than girls are diagnosed with it.I ve been a member of the Life Extension Foundation off and on now,for maybe 16 yrs.With membership yrly dues of $82.50,here in the states,a 50 buck disease prevention and trtmt book comes free.

My 3rd ed is as big as a big city phone book.They concentrate mostly on things you can get from health food store supplement type outlets,though they have 20 world class docs and 20 world class scientists on their advisory board.

They have a few pgs on ADD,Said its characterized by impulsivity and short attention span,inappropriate for the kids age.Usually inherited and involves brain neurotransmitter levels;3 types:without hyperactivity,with it,and residual ,this last continues into adulthood.

20% have learning disabilities,90% have poor academic performance.40% may be depressed ,or anxious,and/or confrontational,and/or low frustration tolerance.

Its important to know that physical and sexual abuse can also look like ADD symptoms ,family violence,stress, tensions,depression.Alergies may also play a part,and keep them off sugar is a main one.

Primarily treated with psychostimulants,ritalin,cylert,amphetamine,and behavior modification.Biofeedback training has shown some effectiveness,consider allergy testing as they trigger ADD.

The Life extension foundation suggests alternatives to psychostimulants to choose from,like their life extension mix,a bit pricey lots of anti oxidants and vitamins,minerals in it;Choline cooler,a patent med supplement with the choline in it,1/3 of our nervous system is made of choline;

Twin Lab s Amino fuel;Cognitex,a special formula that the life extension makes/carries with 1/2 a doz cognitive enhancement things in it that also is used for cognitive decline in the elderly;1800 544 4440 is their ph no here in the Miami FL area,online at www.lef.org


You have to specifically request a list of offshore suppliers that sell piracetam,another ritalin alternative.However,l glutamine a spoonful of powdered type furnishes about 5000 mg of glutamine is highly similar to piracetam cheaper,easier to get,and its also in Whey protein powder some great stuff for about everything...

Uh...what?
I can't read that. It's like Ish wrote it or something. Incomprehensible.
What I did get from it was a feeling like I get when hearing about Scientology. I don't think that's a coincidence.

 

[khbostic]

That sounds to me like "no comprehende ,le Espaniolller there pard..."

 

[KRCummings]

Maybe you have a learning disorder cummings...That sounds to me like "no comprehende ,le Espaniolller there pard..."

No, I'm pretty sure it has to do with you being an idiot.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Uh...what?
I can't read that. It's like Ish wrote it or something. Incomprehensible.
What I did get from it was a feeling like I get when hearing about Scientology. I don't think that's a coincidence.

The red flag here is "Life Extension Foundation".

OTC Supplement Whackadoodles.

 

[mercury14]

Lets remind everyone that until DSM 3 gay was a mental disorder, and then it wasn't. What changed? The perfessers votes. Votes! Smells like American Idol don't it?

Lets also remind the folks that insurance wont pay for shit that aint medicated.

MERC is an industry hack and lackey.

It sound like *you* changed criteria by just diagnosing any way you felt like. You criticize mental health professionals for being inconsistent then turn around and make up your own rules for what the criteria should be - including such empirical methods as "If I feel like stabbing my patient in the heart I will give them this diagnosis". Your practice was trash and wholly unethical. If you really were a psychologist your patients came to you expecting competency in the field, not someone who pulls criteria out of their ass. You ought to have your license removed if you were advertising your services as legitimate care.

As far as what changed regarding sexual orientation, medicine gained a greater understanding of the dynamics of it and based on that new knowledge determined that homosexuality is not an illness. That's the thing about science, it adjusts its view based on what's observed. Science observed new information on sexual orientation and adjusted its view on the issue. It's not a static thing no matter how much you want it to be.

If you'd like to see what changed go back and read a 1950s book on the science of homosexuality and compare it to those of 2013.

 

[khbostic]

I know a lot of this stuff in this post ,thats been talked about.I put what people can do for overall improved performance in my Health and Longlife Resource pages,that accompanies my 4 leaf clover sales, as well as talisman sets,as a charity fundraiser,I got nothinmg from the proceeds,BTW.

Openers on said pgs,it says a one a day type multivitamin is the foundation of any nutritional regimen .If you don t do anything else,take the one a day multivitamin.After 8 weeks,it can raise one s I Q from 5 to 21 points,just taking a one a day vitamin.

Dr Shoenthaler of UCLA,Sociology professor ,did a study in Oklahoma Juvenile Delinquent Centers.He used a one a day multivitamin.The study said we basically kicked the ass out of insubordination,violence, and anti social behaviors.We cut all the negative stuff in half...

They were so impressed,that the staff took up a collection to buy bulk one a day vitamins for their residents.

I know college students are looking for anything to maximize their scholastic performance,so I included such things as are legally available alternatives to ritalin in said pgs.

I told the Red Cross that school bookstores at colleges/Universities would be a prime place for consignment sales on said items,as a charity fundraiser for the Red Cross.

My 2nd yr of college was at a retardation State facility,where they also had a special ed school.So I told them to hand them out to whoever,and put it on their bills,and insurance,maybe 300 Grand worth over the past 22 yrs.,out of 1/2 a million in stock that I sent into the Detroit area,incl my Alma Mater.I told em thats what I told the red cross to do wherever necessary in hospitals too

 

[KRCummings]

I know a lot of this stuff in this post ,thats been talked about.I put what people can do for overall improved performance in my Health and Longlife Resource pages,that accompanies my 4 leaf clover sales, as well as talisman sets,as a charity fundraiser.

Openers on said pgs,it says a one a day type multivitamin is the foundation of any nutritional regimen .If you don t do anything else,take the one a day multivitamin.

Dr Shoenthaler of UCLA,Sociology professor ,did a study in Oklahoma Juvenile Delinquent Centers.He used a one a day multivitamin.The study said we basically kicked the ass out of insubordination,violence, and anti social behaviors.We cut all the negative stuff in half...

They were so impressed,that the staff took up a collection to buy bulk one a day vitamins for their residents.

I know college students are looking for anything to maximize their scholastic performance,so I included such things as are legally available alternatives to ritalin in said pgs.

I told the Red Cross that school bookstores at colleges/Universities would be a prime place for consignment sales on said items,as a charity fundraiser for the Red Cross.

My 2nd yr of college was at a retardation State facility,where they also had a special ed school.So I told them to hand them out to whoever,and put it on their bills,and insurance,maybe 300 Grand worth over the past 22 yrs.,out of 1/2 a million in stock that I sent into the Detroit area,incl my Alma Mater...

Holy fuck, shut up.

 

[khbostic]

Cummings,go to ....

 

[mercury14]

Holy fuck, shut up.

A Social Work technician with a big fat associate's degree says that multivitamins treat ADHD. What else do you need to know?

 

[pete]

A Social Work technician with a big fat associate's degree says that multivitamins treat ADHD. What else do you need to know?

seems legit