Justice for Trayvon??

[Ishmael]

I had wondered why O'Mara had decided to fore go the "Stand Your Ground" hearing. I think the answer is in his written petition for summary acquittal.

The 'SYG' law is relatively new and is without any real precedence and no State Supreme Court findings that I know of. Going into a 'SYG' hearing would be a crap shoot under the best of circumstance and given the political nature of the trial is is unlikely that he would have prevailed anyway. Further a finding against the defense in a 'SYG' hearing, the most likely outcome, would most likely get back to the jurors and might possibly prejudice their deliberations.

On the other hand Self-defense has a long history of precedent as well as several State Supreme Court decisions. O'Mara obviously feels that the 'SYG' defense is unnecessary in this case and has strategically decided to not even broach that law.

We'll see if it works.

Ishmael

 

[lovecraft68]

The Zimmerman cause is a direct result of everyone from CBS editing his 911 call to that POS Spike Lee trying to give out his address (and getting sued when he gave the wrong one) and the press showing Martin as a nine year old

many people really thought Martin was a little kid until they got more details.

The press was so hot to make this about nothing but racism that they have now enabled him to get away with murder.

IMO this is karma.

OJ guilty as sin of killing two people but getting off because his d-bag lawers kept making it about race (I mean poor OJ, if ever a more persecuted black man existed I've never seen him)

Zimmerman will not get off because the race card got played way to quickly and people are fed up with it.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Another strange thing I've noticed about this thread. In most cases, you'd be curious how it's going to come out, hope justice is served, etc. If one guy killed another guy and didn't deny it, your expectations would probably go from "murder" to "maybe there are details we don't know, let's find out."

In this case, I notice people are actively rooting for Zimmerman to get off. They've almost made a cause out of him, like he's being scape-goated or persecuted in some way. He killed a guy and he's on trial for it. If any of us shot a guy to death, for any reason, we'd go to trial too. Black, white, male, female. That's the system working at a baseline minimum. There's no persecution attached to a murder trial, when you have, in fact, killed someone.

What accounts for the "No one's going to railroad our man Zim!" mentality of his defenders? Why are there even defenders? What about this case sparks such fear that one of the options is that the man who killed the other man, will be found guilty of killing another man?

...He asked, knowing the answer.

It's widely believed he is being scapegoated. He wouldn't have even been charged if it hadn't been for the POTUS and many other race baiters in Congress or in other places that are also bully pulpits. They were all saying "Lock that honky killer up" or words to that effect, until the local gov. finally did, even though they were certain there was no chance of a conviction. Thousands of people of all races have been killed and the deaths are shown to be justifiable because of self-defense or similar grounds, and this was another of those cases. At least, that's what the evidence shows, and the evidence is the same now as it was a year ago.

If he is convicted, it will be a matter of throwing him under the bus to forestall the riots that would otherwise take place. I think everybody in the country is familiar with the Rodney King riots.

 

[Squibbs]

The Zimmerman cause is a direct result of everyone from CBS editing his 911 call to that POS Spike Lee trying to give out his address (and getting sued when he gave the wrong one) and the press showing Martin as a nine year old

many people really thought Martin was a little kid until they got more details.

The press was so hot to make this about nothing but racism that they have now enabled him to get away with murder.

IMO this is karma.

OJ guilty as sin of killing two people but getting off because his d-bag lawers kept making it about race (I mean poor OJ, if ever a more persecuted black man existed I've never seen him)

Zimmerman will not get off because the race card got played way to quickly and people are fed up with it.

Yeah, they should have held out on that one.

 

[RobDownSouth]

It's widely believed he is being scapegoated. He wouldn't have even been charged if it hadn't been for the POTUS and many other race baiters in Congress or in other places that are also bully pulpits. They were all saying "Lock that honky killer up" or words to that effect, until the local gov. finally did, even though they were certain there was no chance of a conviction. Thousands of people of all races have been killed and the deaths are shown to be justifiable because of self-defense or similar grounds, and this was another of those cases. At least, that's what the evidence shows, and the evidence is the same now as it was a year ago.

If he is convicted, it will be a matter of throwing him under the bus to forestall the riots that would otherwise take place. I think everybody in the country is familiar with the Rodney King riots.

blah blah blah Zimmerman's the real victim here blah blah blah

Zimmerman went hunting Negroes and finally bagged one after a year of trying. He set out to provoke an encounter and is shocked...SHOCKED!...that he has to stand trial.

 

[Wrong Element]

It's widely believed he is being scapegoated. He wouldn't have even been charged if it hadn't been for the POTUS and many other race baiters in Congress or in other places that are also bully pulpits. They were all saying "Lock that honky killer up" or words to that effect...

What Obama actually said about this case:


"Obviously this is a tragedy. I can only imagine what these parents are going through. When I think about this boy I think about my own kids and I think every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this and that everybody pulls together, federal, state and local to figure out exactly how this tragedy happened.

I’m glad that not only the Justice Department is looking into it, I understand now that the governor of the state of Florida has formed a task force to investigate what is taking place.

I think all of us have to do some soul searching to figure out how something like this happened. That means that we examine the laws and the context for what happened as well as the specifics of the incident.

But my main message is to the parents of Trayvon. If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon. I think they are right to expect that all of us as Americans are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves and we will get to the bottom of exactly what happened.”


Not seeing the words "honky killer" in there anywhere...

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

What Obama actually said about this case:


"Obviously this is a tragedy. I can only imagine what these parents are going through. When I think about this boy I think about my own kids and I think every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this and that everybody pulls together, federal, state and local to figure out exactly how this tragedy happened.

I’m glad that not only the Justice Department is looking into it, I understand now that the governor of the state of Florida has formed a task force to investigate what is taking place.

I think all of us have to do some soul searching to figure out how something like this happened. That means that we examine the laws and the context for what happened as well as the specifics of the incident.

But my main message is to the parents of Trayvon. If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon. I think they are right to expect that all of us as Americans are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves and we will get to the bottom of exactly what happened.”


Not seeing the words "honky killer" in there anywhere...

ya gotta read between the lines where Obama is saying Zimmerman is guilty and must be punished.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

ya gotta read between the lines where Obama is saying Zimmerman is guilty and must be punished.

It's tough when my eye keeps being drawn to the fact that one of the most ring wing, anti-Obama governors in the country was looking into it.

 

[CHNOPS]

I had wondered why O'Mara had decided to fore go the "Stand Your Ground" hearing. I think the answer is in his written petition for summary acquittal.

The 'SYG' law is relatively new and is without any real precedence and no State Supreme Court findings that I know of. Going into a 'SYG' hearing would be a crap shoot under the best of circumstance and given the political nature of the trial is is unlikely that he would have prevailed anyway. Further a finding against the defense in a 'SYG' hearing, the most likely outcome, would most likely get back to the jurors and might possibly prejudice their deliberations.

On the other hand Self-defense has a long history of precedent as well as several State Supreme Court decisions. O'Mara obviously feels that the 'SYG' defense is unnecessary in this case and has strategically decided to not even broach that law.

We'll see if it works.

Ishmael

Boy, when you go wrong, you go long.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Boy, when you go wrong, you go long.

Hey, it beats apologizin'!

 

[CHNOPS]

It's widely believed he is being scapegoated. He wouldn't have even been charged if it hadn't been for the POTUS and many other race baiters in Congress or in other places that are also bully pulpits. They were all saying "Lock that honky killer up" or words to that effect, until the local gov. finally did, even though they were certain there was no chance of a conviction. Thousands of people of all races have been killed and the deaths are shown to be justifiable because of self-defense or similar grounds, and this was another of those cases. At least, that's what the evidence shows, and the evidence is the same now as it was a year ago.

If he is convicted, it will be a matter of throwing him under the bus to forestall the riots that would otherwise take place. I think everybody in the country is familiar with the Rodney King riots.

Yes, I'm aware it is "widely believed he is being scapegoated." That's why I posted about it being an absurd thought. Is there some reason you think he should be treated differently from virtually every other person in the country?

He shot and killed someone. No one is accusing him without proof, or looking for an arrest to keep the peace, or choosing the first Hispanic guy they can find. He did it, he says he did it, the police say he did it, his lawyers say he did it, his family says he did it. That's why he's on trial--he killed someone. One of the possible outcomes of the trial is that he'll be acquitted. But the system allows that decision to be made by a jury, not the killer's own insistence that really everything's OK.

It's not scapegoating. It's the very baseline application of our system. To think anything else is uninformed to the point of parody--and likely much worse. Congratulations, you are Exhibit A.

 

[CHNOPS]

Hey, it beats apologizin'!

That was some waist-deep muck, there.

 

[jomar]

I live in Indiana. Law is modeled after the Fla Law.

The trial is in Fla, and Fla law rules...you do get that, right?

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

It's tough when my eye keeps being drawn to the fact that one of the most ring wing, anti-Obama governors in the country was looking into it.

When one person kills another, I think it's a good idea that someone conduct a thorough investigation. Considering that even after a thorough investigation, legal experts (not from the gb) are actively debating this case, it appears to me that the prosecutor initially made an erroneous determination to not prosecute.

I wasn't there either but upon review of the aggregate of information I think I would find Zimmerman responsible for the death of Trayvon Martin. There is no evidence on record that Trayvon Martin ever assaulted anyone but the defense is asking us to believe that on this night, Trayvon did something he never did before and Zimmerman had to shoot him to protect himself.

Zimmerman's own recorded comments show that in his mind, he already determined that the person he was following was an asshole.

 

[koalabear]

The trial is in Fla, and Fla law rules...you do get that, right?

No shit MORON.

 

[Boxlicker101]

blah blah blah Zimmerman's the real victim here blah blah blah

Zimmerman went hunting Negroes and finally bagged one after a year of trying. He set out to provoke an encounter and is shocked...SHOCKED!...that he has to stand trial.

He's not really a victim yet, but may become one when the jury renders a verdict.

That's a very serious charge. Can you prove he was "hunting Negroes for a year? Personally, I think he was just doing his job as a neighborhood watch member, just as cops do their jobs when they patrol and spot and trail a person they consider to be suspicious.

 

[Boxlicker101]

What Obama actually said about this case:


"Obviously this is a tragedy. I can only imagine what these parents are going through. When I think about this boy I think about my own kids and I think every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this and that everybody pulls together, federal, state and local to figure out exactly how this tragedy happened.

I’m glad that not only the Justice Department is looking into it, I understand now that the governor of the state of Florida has formed a task force to investigate what is taking place.

I think all of us have to do some soul searching to figure out how something like this happened. That means that we examine the laws and the context for what happened as well as the specifics of the incident.

But my main message is to the parents of Trayvon. If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon. I think they are right to expect that all of us as Americans are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves and we will get to the bottom of exactly what happened.”


Not seeing the words "honky killer" in there anywhere...

I did say "or words to that effect." And, if you read what is being said in a politic way by a very shrewd politician, you will see Obama is siccing his DOJ on a guy who was just doing his job and was called on to defend himself against an assault by a suspicious character he was tracking.

 

[Boxlicker101]

It's tough when my eye keeps being drawn to the fact that one of the most ring wing, anti-Obama governors in the country was looking into it.

Well, let's face it. Only the governor of FL would look into an incident that happened in FL. Do you think Moonbeam Brown should get actively involved?

 

[Boxlicker101]

Yes, I'm aware it is "widely believed he is being scapegoated." That's why I posted about it being an absurd thought. Is there some reason you think he should be treated differently from virtually every other person in the country?

He shot and killed someone. No one is accusing him without proof, or looking for an arrest to keep the peace, or choosing the first Hispanic guy they can find. He did it, he says he did it, the police say he did it, his lawyers say he did it, his family says he did it. That's why he's on trial--he killed someone. One of the possible outcomes of the trial is that he'll be acquitted. But the system allows that decision to be made by a jury, not the killer's own insistence that really everything's OK.

It's not scapegoating. It's the very baseline application of our system. To think anything else is uninformed to the point of parody--and likely much worse. Congratulations, you are Exhibit A.

I think he should be treated the same as anybody else. Eyewitnesses and his own injuries attest to the fact he was in a fight, Many times a prosecutor will decide to refrain from taking a case when there is strong evidence a shooting or other death was justified, such as being self-defense, The evidence here is very strong, from Z's position on the neighborhood watch to his 911 call, to the eye witness accounts to Z's injuries. There probably other evidence that I missed or that was not mentioned in court or publicly, such as the bullet trajectory and gunpowder residue or burns on TM.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I had wondered why O'Mara had decided to fore go the "Stand Your Ground" hearing. I think the answer is in his written petition for summary acquittal.

The 'SYG' law is relatively new and is without any real precedence and no State Supreme Court findings that I know of. Going into a 'SYG' hearing would be a crap shoot under the best of circumstance and given the political nature of the trial is is unlikely that he would have prevailed anyway. Further a finding against the defense in a 'SYG' hearing, the most likely outcome, would most likely get back to the jurors and might possibly prejudice their deliberations.

On the other hand Self-defense has a long history of precedent as well as several State Supreme Court decisions. O'Mara obviously feels that the 'SYG' defense is unnecessary in this case and has strategically decided to not even broach that law.

We'll see if it works.

Ishmael

Florida pols hate SYG and prosecute it every time it comes up. So far as I know every SYG defendant has been acquitted by their juries, so the folks like SYG tho grand juries routinely indict SYG defendants.

Generally speaking, SYG protects decent folks abused by obnoxious drunks. A local case the state prosecuted and lost involved a family who went to a local restaurant to eat. At the restaurant a drunk knocked mom down and cussed her out for coming in thru the ENTER door. Dad suggested that the drunk get lost, and the drunks friends took him away. During dinner the drunk returned to the restaurant to kick Dads ass, assaulted Dad at the table, and Dad shot him dead.

 

[Busybody]

Zimmerman's own recorded comments show that in his mind, he already determined that the person he was following was an asshole.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTCA01n4QOEAepC7dS_w2a4vxzAjcw-90FlQ3-Fhr1YgzrDz3Hw

and he was an asshole

 

[Busybody]

What Obama actually said about this case:


"Obviously this is a tragedy. I can only imagine what these parents are going through. When I think about this boy I think about my own kids and I think every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this and that everybody pulls together, federal, state and local to figure out exactly how this tragedy happened.

I’m glad that not only the Justice Department is looking into it, I understand now that the governor of the state of Florida has formed a task force to investigate what is taking place.

I think all of us have to do some soul searching to figure out how something like this happened. That means that we examine the laws and the context for what happened as well as the specifics of the incident.

But my main message is to the parents of Trayvon. If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon. I think they are right to expect that all of us as Americans are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves and we will get to the bottom of exactly what happened.”


Not seeing the words "honky killer" in there anywhere...

There is HONKY KILLER all over that

Why else does DOJ investigate? Why else does the Gov form task force? Why else doe a President talk about it?

DID ANY OF THAT HAPPEN when BLACKS SHOT 3 YOUNG TOURISTS IN FLORIDA WEEKS BEFORE?

NO!


Its is GET HONKEY

NOTHING ELSE

 

[Busybody]

GET HONKEY!

CNN Panel Agrees: “Black Manhood” On Trial In Zimmerman Case…




Or something.

Via Daily Caller:


In an article posted on The Nation’s website last week, Mychal Denzel-Smith suggested that in the George Zimmerman trial underway for the murder of Trayvon Martin, it isn’t Zimmerman who is on trial, but Martin and black manhood.

Denzel-Smith made an appearance on Sunday’s “CNN Newsroom” to back up that claim and accuse Zimmerman of depicting Martin as a “very cartoonish version” of a 17-year-old black boy.

“To believe Zimmerman’s story, I think, because to me it reads like a very cartoonish version of what a 17-year-old black boy would say and do in this situation,” Denzel-Smith said. “I think you know, to believe that Trayvon Martin was to jump out of the bushes and to approach George Zimmerman and to strike him in the face without any type of provocation sounds to me like you have to believe that there is an inherent criminality and inherent violence in 17-year-old black boys that you see.” [...]

Joining Denzel-Smith for the segment was Rod Vereen, attorney for the prosecution’s witness Rachel Jeantel. Vereen agreed with Denzel-Smith’s suggestion that black manhood was on trial in the case.

“Of course it is,” Vereen said. “People have a tendency to want to believe that young black men are growing up in these urban neighborhoods to be violent. And that is absolutely not the case. They want to make it appear Trayvon Martin comes in a broken home and that he lacks parental guidance and youthful guidance and therefore, was more apt to be the aggressor in the situation with Mr. Zimmerman, without any evidence to support that inference.”

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

What Obama actually said about this case:


"Obviously this is a tragedy. I can only imagine what these parents are going through. When I think about this boy I think about my own kids and I think every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this and that everybody pulls together, federal, state and local to figure out exactly how this tragedy happened.

I’m glad that not only the Justice Department is looking into it, I understand now that the governor of the state of Florida has formed a task force to investigate what is taking place.

I think all of us have to do some soul searching to figure out how something like this happened. That means that we examine the laws and the context for what happened as well as the specifics of the incident.

But my main message is to the parents of Trayvon. If I had a son, he would look like Trayvon. I think they are right to expect that all of us as Americans are going to take this with the seriousness it deserves and we will get to the bottom of exactly what happened.”


Not seeing the words "honky killer" in there anywhere...

You want it to be a direct quote and not a body of work or a pattern, otherwise it is obviously more right-wing lies.

But one needs not much more than the New Black Panthers, the Cambridge Cops, the personal attacks on Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck and FOX, the negative Tea Party comments, the refusal to back immigration laws and the showdown with Arizona to see how divisive this administration has been all along when it comes to the party od "angry old white men."

We see it here every day from posters such as yourself who blindly parrot that idea.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

This addresses WrongElement and all of those like him:

People can legitimately disagree on the merits of the George Zimmerman self-defense case. But few serious observers believe that Zimmerman can ever be proved to have committed second-degree murder as charged. That prosecutorial overreach came in response to the popular furor whipped up by racialists like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, veiled suggestions from Attorney General Holder that civil-rights violations might be prosecuted, and improper editorializing by the president of the United States about his and Trayvon Martin’s shared racial makeup. All this led the state of Florida to appoint a special prosecutor overriding local public prosecutors, apparently because of both fears of civil unrest and liberal perceptions of social justice.

The popular media once again did their best, along with politicos, to use a criminal court for larger social agendas and therefore hyped the racial aspects of the trial: CBS aired doctored photos of George Zimmerman to downplay the severity of his injuries. NBC altered Zimmerman’s 911 tape to make him sound a racist. The New York Times invented a new rubric, “white Hispanic,” to ensure that the case was explosively reinvented in the media as white on black, rather than a Latino/black incident.

CNN published photos of Zimmerman’s ID, making it easy for viewers to gain access to his Social Security number. Celebrities like director Spike Lee publicized (inaccurately) Zimmerman’s home address. The New Black Panther Party put a bounty on Zimmerman’s head. Members of the Congressional Black Caucus smeared him as a killer and racist.

Again, no one knows exactly what happened on the night Trayvon Martin was killed; but given the media distortions, the threats, and the popular agitation, everyone knows that a revolutionary tribunal is in session to find Zimmerman guilty of murder. He has ended up a necessary sacrificial pawn to serve wider issues of social justice, or at least avoid civil violence.

The American court system is insidiously focusing on social transformation rather than individual justice. If Neanderthal reactionaries in California twice voted to reiterate that marriage is between a man and a woman, then leave it to judges and courts to find them bigoted and politically incorrect. In the present revolutionary environment, the degree of the Obama administration’s enforcement of federal laws concerning gay marriage, or illegal immigration, or the new health-care law has hinged on politics and perceptions about social justice — and the courts increasingly predicate their own decision-making on these same considerations. The street can brand a court either an esteemed ally or a reactionary enemy of the people, and so the courts make the necessary adjustments.

If only George Zimmerman had Hispanicized his first name and adopted his maternal last name, the popular tribunal might have never indicted Jorge Meza. If only Conrad Black had been head of the New York Times, whose incompetent, high-living owners have cost stockholders hundreds of millions of dollars, rather than an outspoken conservative public figure, the prosecutor might not have been too interested in his affairs. And if Scooter Libby had just worked for Barack Obama, a special prosecutor would no more have gone after him for leaking or being untruthful than it has James Clapper or Eric Holder.

Twenty years ago we laughed at the absurdities of the O. J. Simpson trial and verdict. But that circus has proved to be the blueprint for 21st-century American criminal justice.

Victor Davis Hanson, NRO

http://www.nationalreview.com/node/352873/print