Someone want to explain "Social Justice" to me?

[PoppingTom]

It absolutely was.

NASA was government funded.

It still is.

It just... now... has nothing more to work with.

....and I never found any private sponsoring of another moon landing....



To make it clear: I'm not bitching about capitalism. It's necessary. But I got my problems with your government bitching. Other countries debate about improving their governments action, while you discuss about government disestablishment.

Yes, government action isn't always effective. But it can be changed. There's no difference to an ordinary global player company in this case.

 

[julybaby04]

As long as you aren't stepping on someone's rights there shouldn't be.... there should be absolute 100% equal treatment under the law, and consenting adults should have absolute and total say so/choice/control over what they do with their own bodies, minds and with other consenting adults.

But like a typical right wing anti freedom big gov control freak I bet you think the gov has every right to universally define marriage for everyone in a christian manner. Despite the fact there are dozens of cultures and communities that seek refuge in an allegedly "Free" country that have drastically different views on what a marriage is.....but fuck them right? That's what I thought....

Julybaby do tell me what does gay marriage have to do with anyone but the gay couple? Hmmm? Why is a gay man's 200 dollars for his licence any less valid than a straight mans 200 dollars for his? They fucking paid for it should they not get the choice?? And if a gay couple does get married how does that affect your heterosexual marriages? None...effects them zero, yet the GOP still feels the need to deny this segment of the population the same legal rights as everyone else. OHhHH I forgot ROMNEY and the rest of the GOP seem to think marriage is an evangelical christian only club.....fucking tyrant cock suckers. WTF happened to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness? All men created equal?

Well JulyBaby? Does the state have the right to arbitrarily define marriage for all?? Or do you believe the individuals entering in a marriage should have the right to define their marriage how THEY see fit?

Right you want the state to take control and shove your beliefs up everyone's ass don't you? LOVE BIG GOVERNMENT!! when it's your brand of freedom, your american dream they are shoveling, fuck anyone else right? Fucking control freaks can't just live and let live...LIKE JESUS TOLD THEM TOO!!! fucking morons.

Let's talk about the war on drugs shall we? It is a horribly DESTRUCTIVE and wildly EXPENSIVE, HUGE GOVERNMENT FAILURE....still being perpetuated and run by the right wing happy LE/prison industry. America has with out a doubt the best drugs in the fucking world, we should be taxing it, exporting it and making giant fucking piles of money on it....not becoming the number one prison/police nation in the whole god damn world for decades because of it.

OH yea...GOP thank you for making murikuh the number one prison nation/police state....freedom and liberty you say? Bull fucking shit...

Ok, I typed out answers to everyone one of these questions and by the time I posted, I had been signed out.....and don't want to take all that time again.....so in a nutshell, here is pretty much what I said....

There are black/whites in this world.....there are right/wrongs. Changing those on a whim is not what I believe in. I believe all men are created equal....yes. I do not believe in gay "marriage" as I believe that is a choice. It does not truly affect me, as I do not believe in it....just as my not believing in it does not affect someone who choose they gay lifestyle.

Big government is a liberal idea. Government has to be big to control the every changing ideas of the morality of this country...thereby be able to support them....through laws and taxes to make these new moralities the "new american dream".

Drugs?.....new suggestion....instead of legalizing them....how about a person just stop using them. Thousands and thousands of people have been able to live their whole lives without using a single drug....and have been just fine. Those people never were in prison and didn't fear a police state. Self control would be way to deal with the drug issue.

Perhaps this will answer the questions. I know you are mad and using me to vent as I have opposing views. My views are consistent with those I have grown up with......and more importantly, those of God (whose views, standards, morals, do not change). People change...always have and always will.......but there are some who choose to live by the black and whites, and are very happy doing it like that.

 

[cjh]

Ok, I typed out answers to everyone one of these questions and by the time I posted, I had been signed out.....and don't want to take all that time again.....so in a nutshell, here is pretty much what I said....

There are black/whites in this world.....there are right/wrongs. Changing those on a whim is not what I believe in. I believe all men are created equal....yes. I do not believe in gay "marriage" as I believe that is a choice. It does not truly affect me, as I do not believe in it....just as my not believing in it does not affect someone who choose they gay lifestyle.

Big government is a liberal idea. Government has to be big to control the every changing ideas of the morality of this country...thereby be able to support them....through laws and taxes to make these new moralities the "new american dream".

Drugs?.....new suggestion....instead of legalizing them....how about a person just stop using them. Thousands and thousands of people have been able to live their whole lives without using a single drug....and have been just fine. Those people never were in prison and didn't fear a police state. Self control would be way to deal with the drug issue.

Perhaps this will answer the questions. I know you are mad and using me to vent as I have opposing views. My views are consistent with those I have grown up with......and more importantly, those of God (whose views, standards, morals, do not change). People change...always have and always will.......but there are some who choose to live by the black and whites, and are very happy doing it like that.

Actually, God's standards do change, unless you believe Leviticus still controls.

And even were God's laws consistent, man's interpretation of them certainly is not.

 

[Saint Peter]

The FSM never changes.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I do not believe in gay "marriage" as I believe that is a choice. It does not truly affect me, as I do not believe in it....just as my not believing in it does not affect someone who choose they gay lifestyle.

Perhaps you could share with us exactly when you chose to become heterosexual?

 

[Saint Peter]

Perhaps you could share with us exactly when you chose to become heterosexual?

It was right after the first time I took it up the ass.

 

[cjh]

It was right after the first time I took it up the ass.

There was a second?

 

[kbate]

Actually, God's standards do change, unless you believe Leviticus still controls.

And even were God's laws consistent, man's interpretation of them certainly is not.

And the sad and sorry 4.5 billion folk who haven't accepted Christ as their saviour can just fuck off and learn self control and morality in hell.

 

[kbate]

There was a second?

Pete likes scientific process. An experiment must be repeated to determine if the result can be repeated, even a painful failed experiment.

 

[julybaby04]

Have no doubt that my views are not those of pretty much anyone here.....and that is fine.

Views and opinions are there for each person to decide on their own.

 

[julybaby04]

Actually, God's standards do change, unless you believe Leviticus still controls.

And even were God's laws consistent, man's interpretation of them certainly is not.

God's standards never changed. Jesus was the fulfillment of prophecy from the Old Testament....thereby being the final perfect sacrifice and no longer a need for laws of Lev. Those laws were in place until the Messiah came....and Jesus fulfilled that.

...as far as man's interpretation......

I agree that some pick and choose to suit. However, there are very basic laws that never change.....Ten Commandments being a good example.

 

[julybaby04]

And the sad and sorry 4.5 billion folk who haven't accepted Christ as their saviour can just fuck off and learn self control and morality in hell.

....until those people are no longer alive...they ALWAYS have the chance and opportunity to decide to accept Christ. Once they have heard, they make a choice to follow Christ or not.

 

[LadyVer]

The concept of social justice is a hard concept for some to understand. It basically is what it's called, i.e., justice for social issues. The book of Isaiah speaks about it indepth. It's the basis of Christianity. My opinion anyway, and I know many disagree with me, but that's ok.

 

[eyer]

I know you are mad and using me to vent as I have opposing views. My views are consistent with those I have grown up with......and more importantly, those of God (whose views, standards, morals, do not change).

Get thee behind me, satan...

...do you even realize how much blasphemous arrogance is revealed in your words of pitiful human ignorance?

 

[Sean Renaud]

God's standards never changed. Jesus was the fulfillment of prophecy from the Old Testament....thereby being the final perfect sacrifice and no longer a need for laws of Lev. Those laws were in place until the Messiah came....and Jesus fulfilled that.

...as far as man's interpretation......

I agree that some pick and choose to suit. However, there are very basic laws that never change.....Ten Commandments being a good example.

You've never even picked up a Bible have you?

 

[julybaby04]

Do I know every verse verbatim in the Bible...nope. Do I claim to...nope. Do I understand every teaching in the Bible...nope. Don't claim to.

To share a view point here, other than, of course, the "live and let live" view point....is seen as dumb, stupid, not worthy, etc.

I am completely secure in my beliefs. I am thankful for my salvation. If this is something you do not choose or have rejected, that is your choice. There is not one thing that can be shared here that would even make me question who God is nor who His Son Jesus is.

The insults and disparaging remarks made to me truly only strengthen my belief as I truly believe the verses that are listed in my signature. Every word thrown at me is a fulfillment of the words Jesus spoke about the persecution to come.

I honestly thank you for proving God to me more and more!!

 

[RobDownSouth]

Perhaps you could share with us exactly when you chose to become heterosexual?

Still waiting, Julybaby04.

I've been heterosexual all my life. For me, it wasn't a "choice".

You obviously had a "moment of truth" you had to confront, since you have gone on record as stating sexual preference is a "choice".

Why not share with us what went through your head as you made the decision to opt for heterosexuality?

Tell us.

 

[julybaby04]

Still waiting, Julybaby04.

I've been heterosexual all my life. For me, it wasn't a "choice".

You obviously had a "moment of truth" you had to confront, since you have gone on record as stating sexual preference is a "choice".

Why not share with us what went through your head as you made the decision to opt for heterosexuality?

Tell us.

Heterosexual isn't a choice. To choose to be gay is.....in my opinion.

 

[eyer]

The concept of social justice is a hard concept for some to understand. It basically is what it's called, i.e., justice for social issues. The book of Isaiah speaks about it indepth. It's the basis of Christianity. My opinion anyway, and I know many disagree with me, but that's ok.

"social justice" is "the basis of Christianity"?

"The book of Isaiah" has exactly what to do with "Christianity"?

Wtf?

It's almost as if "Christianity" wasn't the state religion created and ordered implemented by a friggin' Roman Emperor more than 300 years after the Nazarene was crucified...

...a religion whose debut was officially showcased by the crosses suddenly appearing on the shields of that Emperor's soldiers, after the Emperor said Yeshua visited him in a vision the very night before the next day's battle - a battle in which the Emperor's troops prevailed, and after which the head of the vanquished opposer was decapitated and presented as a warning to all other potential threats against "Christianity".

Ffs...

And He was passing through from one city and village to another, teaching, and proceeding on His way to Jerusalem.

And someone said to Him, “Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?” And He said to them,

“Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.

Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock on the door, saying, ‘Lord, open up to us!’ then He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know where you are from.’

Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets’;

and He will say, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you are from; depart from Me, all you evildoers.’


Luke 13:22-27 (NASB)

 

[LadyVer]

"social justice" is "the basis of Christianity"?

"The book of Isaiah" has exactly what to do with "Christianity"?

Wtf?

It's almost as if "Christianity" wasn't the state religion created and ordered implemented by a friggin' Roman Emperor more than 300 years after the Nazarene was crucified...

...a religion whose debut was officially showcased by the crosses suddenly appearing on the shields of that Emperor's soldiers, after the Emperor said Yeshua visited him in a vision the very night before the next day's battle - a battle in which the Emperor's troops prevailed, and after which the head of the vanquished opposer was decapitated and presented as a warning to all other potential threats against "Christianity".

Ffs...

Christianity is based on both the Old and New Testament. If you read the book of Isaiah you would see what I'm talking about as far as social justice goes.

 

[renard_ruse]

I did, it's a meaningless construct. But others keep throwing the phrase around as if it has some sort of merit and/or meaning. I thought those that actually use the phrase might be able to bring some meaning to it.

Ishmael

Its like "human rights." Its whatever the user wants it to mean at the time.

Precise definitions would make it meaningless.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Heterosexual isn't a choice. To choose to be gay is.....in my opinion.

I hope you realize that your opinion is a textbook definition of a double standard.

I've noticed how frequently you attempt to frame your logical fallacies as an "opinion" in an attempt to forestall criticism.

You: "2+2=5"
Me: "No, 2+2=4"
You: "2+2=5. That's my opinion"
Me: "It may be your opinion, but it's still wrong"
You: "Typical intolerant liberal! You criticize any opinion that doesn't agree with yours!"

 

[LadyVer]

I hope you realize that your opinion is a textbook definition of a double standard.

I've noticed how frequently you attempt to frame your logical fallacies as an "opinion" in an attempt to forestall criticism.

You: "2+2=5"
Me: "No, 2+2=4"
You: "2+2=5. That's my opinion"
Me: "It may be your opinion, but it's still wrong"
You: "Typical intolerant liberal! You criticize any opinion that doesn't agree with yours!"

Rob, many people use "that's my opinion". For some of us who use it, it is simply a way to disagree courteously, without telling the other side you think they're an idiot. Nothing more.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Ok, I typed out answers to everyone one of these questions and by the time I posted, I had been signed out.....and don't want to take all that time again.....so in a nutshell, here is pretty much what I said....

Blab blah didn't even land in the same ball park....I'll simplify it for you.

Do you believe the gov should have the right to arbitrarily define marriage for the two individuals entering the marriage according to the christian definition of marriage yes or no?

 

[renard_ruse]

Blab blah didn't even land in the same ball park....I'll simplify it for you.

Do you believe the gov should have the right to arbitrarily define marriage for the two individuals entering the marriage according to the christian definition of marriage yes or no?

Marriage is a culturally defined institution based on historical tradition. The whole idea at its core has always been man + woman. Prior to the late 1990s (not that long ago) people across the political spectrum would just laugh at the idea of "same sex "marriage."" The whole its a "Christian" definition is bogus, Christianity just took the existing definition and incorporated it into its beliefs.

The whole idea there can ever be "same sex "marriage"" is a joke. Its the end of marriage as having any meaning as a word, but it won't be the end of heterosexual unions. I assume the term will gradually cease to be used over time, the way "gay" is no longer used to describe "happy."