Someone want to explain "Social Justice" to me?

[PoppingTom]

But...but...but what about the right to an education, an affordable home, and a living wage?

Too bad you haven't.

 

[amofiga]

Try to keep it brief.

Ishmael

Just plain doing the right thing for everybody regardless of race, color, or religion and not being selfish and self centered. In essence, being a true Christian and not one who just says he is because he quotes Scripture and goes to church every Sunday.

 

[mercury14]

Bwak, bwak, bwak. Verbal bullshit.

Life is tough. There are no guarantees. Grow a pair and deal with it.

Oh I fully understand that you don't care about social justice. That doesn't mean anything I'm saying here is inaccurate though. You just don't give a shit.

And that is how I know you're not a capitalist. Capitalism is wholly dependent upon a society where the individual is able to meet their full potential. A society with drastically unequal opportunity among classes cannot support the economic system you hold dear.

 

[mercury14]

He defines Capitalism and Liberalism and then acts as if Socialism is the way to achieve those ends.


It can only end badly.

A socialist policy might be the best way to achieve those ends or it might not be. Capitalism isn't always the answer either.

Take health care for seniors. We can socialize it and give them all access to health care or we can leave it up to the free market and whichever senior can't afford 30 years of medical expenses, well they have to die of preventable diseases. Tough luck as Miles would say.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Social Justice is the process of murdering all the farmers cuz they make too much money, and replacing them with perfessers and students whom youll murder cuz theyre incompetent and responsible for the starvation.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

From a simple question to a whackadoodle circle jerk in thirty minutes. Nice job, boys

Still cannot take part in the conversation because you know you will come off as stupid.


Nice nice baybee...



You need to be more like Major Tom who is totally unconcerned with how stupid he looks.

 

[PoppingTom]

OK, we're now establishing that 'social justice' is an economic construct.

I'm still not certain how this works though.

It's easy.

Poor people staying poor, no matter if they got one or two jobs, kids of them stay poor, no money for a better education, one in a million of those people get rich and leaves the poor ghetto = ghetto is no market, not even for that single one rich.

Orther view: poor people get a bit more money, so some of them can achieve to have only one job, and study in the night, or somebody with 2 jobs can help his kids to accomplish university, kids get better jobs out of this, more money, come back, build up their home in the ghetto = ghetto is a market, more people got money for more and even superfluous things. Employees can rely a bit more on good education in that area.


What didn't you understand?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Social Justice is the process of murdering all the farmers cuz they make too much money, and replacing them with perfessers and students whom youll murder cuz theyre incompetent and responsible for the starvation.

Chairman Mao had a plan for that.



Now there's an app for it. Go to Whitehouse.gov to download your daily Socialist Justice talking points.

The best one today is how Obama made the tax cuts permanent!

(And everyone's taxes are going up! but you don't say that part out loud, you just quote Mr. Newt even though six months ago he had horns and carried a pitchfork...)

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

It's easy.

Poor people staying poor, no matter if they got one or two jobs, kids of them stay poor, no money for a better education, one in a million of those people get rich and leaves the poor ghetto = ghetto is no market, not even for that single one rich.

Orther view: poor people get a bit more money, so some of them can achieve to have only one job, and study in the night, or somebody with 2 jobs can help his kids to accomplish university, kids get better jobs out of this, more money, come back, build up their home in the ghetto = ghetto is a market, more people got money for more and even superfluous things. Employees can rely a bit more on good education in that area.


What didn't you understand?

So Social Justice is the redistribution of wealth based on government's noted ability to pick winners and losers...

 

[PoppingTom]

You need to be more like Major Tom who is totally unconcerned with how stupid he looks.

Stupid in your eyes, the eyes of a given up man, is the greatest honour.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Stupid in your eyes, the eyes of a given up man, is the greatest honour.

Is your German as incomprehensible as your English?

 

[Adre]

Still cannot take part in the conversation because you know you will come off as stupid.


Nice nice baybee...



You need to be more like Major Tom who is totally unconcerned with how stupid he looks.

Conversing with you generally consists of responding to long paragraphs from dead people. What's the point of that, they can't answer.

 

[Ishmael]

It's easy.

Poor people staying poor, no matter if they got one or two jobs, kids of them stay poor, no money for a better education, one in a million of those people get rich and leaves the poor ghetto = ghetto is no market, not even for that single one rich.

Orther view: poor people get a bit more money, so some of them can achieve to have only one job, and study in the night, or somebody with 2 jobs can help his kids to accomplish university, kids get better jobs out of this, more money, come back, build up their home in the ghetto = ghetto is a market, more people got money for more and even superfluous things. Employees can rely a bit more on good education in that area.


What didn't you understand?

I understand a bit more than you give me credit for.

OK, we're still on the economic theme but have now added education. And by implication a sub-context that ALL people want the same thing for themselves and their children. Or to put it another way, poor people are poor because they're uneducated, but if we just gave them some more money they'd all of a sudden become more educated. An interesting concept, although in various forms we've been doing that for decades now with no real tangible results for the investment.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Conversing with you generally consists of responding to long paragraphs from dead people. What's the point of that, they can't answer.

Actually, when people do talk to me, I talk back.

It is when they talk at me, around me, over me, or insult me that I use shortcuts and let dead people say the things I say in my stead, for they have been there, done that and especially in the case of Mises, actually picked up the pieces when Socialism and Social Justice hit the fucking fan...

I think it is quite apparent that you knew from the git-go that you were standing in front of that fan and that is why you won't even attempt a discussion of your professed personal polity.

 

[PoppingTom]

So Social Justice is the redistribution of wealth based on government's noted ability to pick winners and losers...

So you're a winner, because your parents pay your college, and the other one is a loser, because he has to fight for everyday survival?

Your American Game is a piece of shit.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

So you're a winner, because your parents pay your college, and the other one is a loser, because he has to fight for everyday survival?

Your American Game is a piece of shit.

Uhhh...


I paid for my college.

I fought to get where I am.

I have even been homeless in my life.

Those things that you tell us, from Europe, that are not possible in America are a fucking bald-faced lie.

If things were as you say they were, then it would not have been possible for me to have the wealth that I now possess. You are arguing a fantasy.

 

[PoppingTom]

I understand a bit more than you give me credit for.

OK, we're still on the economic theme but have now added education. And by implication a sub-context that ALL people want the same thing for themselves and their children. Or to put it another way, poor people are poor because they're uneducated, but if we just gave them some more money they'd all of a sudden become more educated. An interesting concept, although in various forms we've been doing that for decades now with no real tangible results for the investment.

Ishmael

That's what you sayin now.

Just ask your car manufacturers, why they come back from states like Mexico or China, though the wages are much much lower there.

And the education is one point out of it. You can lower the criminal rate, if you help people in their social mobility.

 

[chillywilly2]

To me it is best discribed as akin to using the word "literally" in a sentence.

People used literally to emphasize their point because they thought it made them sound intelligent to the other ignorant people they were talking with at the time

Its just using a catchy phrase to make you sound smarter than the rest of your dumbass friends but really means nothing.

If you really want to sound smart you might try adding the hand signal quotation marks

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Actually, you might just turn them into white-collar criminals.



Socialism also tends to reduce them to the point where no one really has anything to steal and the police are your enemies, so you tend not to call on them for help; you only call on them for some redistribution...

And that, imho, is a State of Organized Crime with a thin veneer of legality and a icing of morality that says stealing is okay if it is organized and labeled as a just function of government, hence the term: Social Justice.

Val Jean's theft of a loaf of bread is a much nobler act than voting to fleece your neighbors...

 

[Comshaw]

Try to keep it brief.

Ishmael

How I see Ishmael's questions:

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Comshaw

 

[torchthebitch]

Justification for Group A to define Group B as evil in order to take from them (B) to redistribute to (A's) favoured client group to buy votes.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Justification for Group A to define Group B as evil in order to take from them (B) to redistribute to (A's) favoured client group to buy votes.

Well stated; succinct and steeped in brevity.

 

[PoppingTom]

Those things that you tell us, from Europe, that are not possible in America are a fucking bald-faced lie.

You aren't even able to stay at the truth.

I never said that anything in America is impossible.

It's no crime to be the champion. The crime is to be the champion and tell everybody that everybody can be the one. Every game has losers. Everybody wants to be the number one, nobody wants to be the zero, but the digital picture is made of zeros and ones.

 

[PoppingTom]

Socialism also tends to blablabla and the police are your enemies, so you tend not to call on them for help; you only call on them for some redistribution...

You've got socialism in the states, I think.....

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Actually, you might just turn them into white-collar criminals.



Socialism also tends to reduce them to the point where no one really has anything to steal and the police are your enemies, so you tend not to call on them for help; you only call on them for some redistribution...

And that, imho, is a State of Organized Crime with a thin veneer of legality and a icing of morality that says stealing is okay if it is organized and labeled as a just function of government, hence the term: Social Justice.

Val Jean's theft of a loaf of bread is a much nobler act than voting to fleece your neighbors...

Back in 1859 one of my ancestors spoke of INSANE PHILANTHROPISTS who endeavor to destroy industry and thieves via the creation of a society where nothing is worth stealing.