Bad from the git-go.

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Heh! I can see that sort of sexual whimsy appealing to the readers. Go easy on the jocular tone though or Laurel will put it in the 'Humor and Satire' cat.

Jocular works if a guy is watching his sister get shagged, and tapes it.

 

[jomar]

I thought the whole point of the exercise is to make the chapter view numbers go up with each additional chapter. I think I can see being able to do that--keep the number of chapters down, end each one with a bigger cliff hanger than the previous one, and write increasinging provocative blurbs. It's worth a try--perhaps by someone who actually writes and posts to Literotica, though.

It would be an interesting exercise. But I'd think readers would probably go back and click on the earlier chapters, or at least the first...so maybe with the exception of the first chapter. Give it a shot and let us know.

I think what JBJ meant is to keep all the chapter views fairly close in number, suggesting that the reader was motivated enough to check back and not let life or short attention span get in the way.

 

[jomar]

http://forum.literotica.com/image.php?u=777159&dateline=1292162962

Oh my gawd! A jomar sighting! Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year man…​

Happy Holidays to you, too!

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

It would be an interesting exercise. But I'd think readers would probably go back and click on the earlier chapters, or at least the first...so maybe with the exception of the first chapter. Give it a shot and let us know.

I think what JBJ meant is to keep all the chapter views fairly close in number, suggesting that the reader was motivated enough to check back and not let life or short attention span get in the way.

All things considered all chapters should get equal reads if the quality of the writing is consistent across the board. And it really oughta improve if the writer writes better. Like potato chips, one oughta lead to the next, and on down the line. With Chapter One the reader has no fund of experience going in, so all readers of Chapter One kinda roll the dice, but with Chapter 2 the reader has experience, and may not take the bait if chapter one sucked.

 

[jomar]

All things considered all chapters should get equal reads if the quality of the writing is consistent across the board. And it really oughta improve if the writer writes better. Like potato chips, one oughta lead to the next, and on down the line. With Chapter One the reader has no fund of experience going in, so all readers of Chapter One kinda roll the dice, but with Chapter 2 the reader has experience, and may not take the bait if chapter one sucked.

I agree with your first sentence.

But views aren't going to improve with each chapter, if that's what you're saying. Readers are going to go back to read earlier chapters if the writing is good, so views should be equivalent overall...trolls and backclickers accounted for and all...

 

[JackLuis]

So, is this an example of what your prose would be like if you did, in fact, write?

But, you're right--if you make it about a son fucking his mother, you'll do gag busters on Literotica.

fixed your post.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I agree with your first sentence.

But views aren't going to improve with each chapter, if that's what you're saying. Readers are going to go back to read earlier chapters if the writing is good, so views should be equivalent overall...trolls and backclickers accounted for and all...

You know the land better than me, but what makes no sense is the part about readers ignoring new installments if the first chapter is good. Its like refusing to use a gift card after the first purchase. On the other-hand people are notorious for staying in wheel ruts.

The method of my madness is to build a wheel around an axis that connects every chapter. A guy fresh outta the army goes job hunting, and the employment process connects sexual dots with all kinds of folks and circumstances.

Ha! I'll get all the trolls anyone could want, from the AH alone!

 

[TxRad]

You know the land better than me, but what makes no sense is the part about readers ignoring new installments if the first chapter is good. Its like refusing to use a gift card after the first purchase. On the other-hand people are notorious for staying in wheel ruts.

The method of my madness is to build a wheel around an axis that connects every chapter. A guy fresh outta the army goes job hunting, and the employment process connects sexual dots with all kinds of folks and circumstances.

Ha! I'll get all the trolls anyone could want, from the AH alone!

The AH writers won't troll you and most of the AH has you on ignore so they won't troll you either. So, needless to say, the AH won't be a problem.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The AH writers won't troll you and most of the AH has you on ignore so they won't troll you either. So, needless to say, the AH won't be a problem.

Yet most seem to know my business. So spare me the bullshit.

 

[TxRad]

Yet most seem to know my business. So spare me the bullshit.

You stay in their business so what's good for the goose....

So far you've threatened to write something here a dozen times. So far a couple of plagiarized things have showed up on your part. Of the rest, nothing.

So, put up or shut up. It's really easy.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

You stay in their business so what's good for the goose....

So far you've threatened to write something here a dozen times. So far a couple of plagiarized things have showed up on your part. Of the rest, nothing.

So, put up or shut up. It's really easy.

You post the same blabber your asshole buddy PILOT posts. Maybe he's your alt.

There's an interesting theory about plagiarism, THEM THAT SMELT IT USUALLY DEALT IT.

 

[TxRad]

You post the same blabber your asshole buddy PILOT posts. Maybe he's your alt.

There's an interesting theory about plagiarism, THEM THAT SMELT IT USUALLY DEALT IT.

Maybe you're my alt. You really should go back to the GB where everyone is someone's alt. Your paranoia is showing through.

The only thing about plagiarism is you got caught by Stella doing it.

 

[JackLuis]

You know the land better than me, but what makes no sense is the part about readers ignoring new i-

The method of my madness is to build a wheel around an axis that connects every chapter. A guy fresh outta the army goes job hunting, and the employment process connects sexual dots with all kinds of folks and circumstances.

Oh get your own ideas Jimmy. I'm writing that story, see Horner Springs.
And if you are going to write your opus, why are you wasting time writing on the forums? Shouldn't you be crafting you Magnum Doofus?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Maybe you're my alt. You really should go back to the GB where everyone is someone's alt. Your paranoia is showing through.

The only thing about plagiarism is you got caught by Stella doing it.

Youre an ass, old man, a parody isnt plagiarism. You remind me of the Old Maid in Mark Twains tale.

 

[sr71plt]

You post the same blabber your asshole buddy PILOT posts. Maybe he's your alt.

How do you know? You said you've had me on "iggy" for years.

Almost anyone could say the same thing about the results of your "writing" that I do, because it's an observable fact that you have often said you were writing something to post to Literotica, but you haven't done it.

It's just a stab at cheap credibility. If you say you're doing something you can fool some of the people some of the time that you actually are doing it--when you're not.

 

[njlauren]

Here's the first line of "Great Expectations"

" My father's family name being Pirrip, and my Christian name Philip, my infant tongue could make of both names nothing longer or more explicit than Pip."

Not so great. It's not the first line alone that makes one want to continue reading.

A book I absolutely despised, I think Dickens was a great writer but that book drove me up the wall, I didn't like any of the characters and found it wanting. I rank that with Wuthering Heights as one of the most overrated books in history...

 

[Stella_Omega]

You know the land better than me, but what makes no sense is the part about readers ignoring new installments if the first chapter is good. Its like refusing to use a gift card after the first purchase. On the other-hand people are notorious for staying in wheel ruts.

The method of my madness is to build a wheel around an axis that connects every chapter. A guy fresh outta the army goes job hunting, and the employment process connects sexual dots with all kinds of folks and circumstances.

Sounds refreshingly original! I bet nobody has ever thought of sending one character through all kinds of sexual adventures.

Ha! I'll get all the trolls anyone could want, from the AH alone!

Jimmy jimmy, projection be thy name.

 

[sr71plt]

that book drove me up the wall,

Me too, largely, I think, because it was being forced down my throat in little chunks in eighth-grade English.

 

[njlauren]

But the "idgits" do get the opinions because they are buying the books. They're the people the author is trying to reach and unless you're altruistic, sales matter.

As people we can debate if a book is good or not, but if one simply looks at sales and dollars that will define a books success.

The hottest book of the year; 50 Shades of Gray, is poorly written , frankly so bad, I am astonished it came from a major publisher

But I wish I had that many idgits buying my work.

It didn't originally come from a major publisher, it was from a small e-book publisher, it sold several hundreds of thousands of copies by word of mouth, and then they decided to buy it.

There is a funny thing about good books, there are books that are crafted incredibly well that literature majors love (people like the "great' authors of today, like Don DeLilo) and the people who run publishing houses, that sell few copies, and there are books like 50 shades of gray that explode. Mickey Spillane wrote absolutely horrible books in many ways, but they were a fun read because they were so bad, go figure. War and Peace is a great novel, but it isn't something I attempt lightly, on the other hand, there are wonderful, funny books that make me laugh and I enjoy, even on re-reading, even if they aren't great literature.

And some books are both, Raymond Chandler wrote noir detective stories but they also hold up as great writing, his descriptions are amazing, my favorite went something like " From 30 feet away she looked like a lot of class. From 10 feet away she looked like something made up to be seen from 30 feet away. ” He also said that Hollywood had the personality of a paper cup, another classic.

There is always the struggle between great art and popular tastes and it often causes big disconnects that are not always so great. Jazz was ignored by music schools for many years, it was degraded as 'gutter music', in the 1920's there was this big convocation of music school professors at Columbia University (all these old, white guys with beards, of course) and they were there trying to find "American Music" when Jazz was out there, a uniquely American form of music. Kids in conservatory these days are taught to play at a level of technical precision that is incredible, when they admit kids it is about technical prowess alone, how perfect their intonation is, yet these kids on stage are basically robots, they have no stage presence, no charisma, no musicality, but the teachers 'love them'....(and most of them die a slow death trying to be soloists)......yet a no talent like Madonna can sell 10's of millions of records and draw 20,000 to a concert based almost strictly on marketing and slick production values (on the other hand, Lady Gaga and Alicia Keyes are genuinely talented, if different styles, of performers, they have both).

I agree with others, judging a book by its opening is kind of hard, you have to give it at least a couple of chapters before giving up, not all opening chapters are great, not all great openings are great books.

I tend to agree more often then not with Mark Twain, who said great books are those books people think they should read, but don't want to...I would include Dostoyevsky, Tolstoy and almost any writer who did fiction for the New Yorker magazine in that list (modern authors, James Thurber and EB White don't count, they wrote for it before the English Majors started deciding what a great book was

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Sounds refreshingly original! I bet nobody has ever thought of sending one character through all kinds of sexual adventures.


Jimmy jimmy, projection be thy name.

Dear? Its projection if it isnt true. If I called you, say, STUPID, that would be projection, cuz you aint stupid. But even stupids the wrong word cuz it usta mean dumbfounded or incoherent to the point of mute.

I once had a lesbian client with a kid; during one of our sessions she asked to borrow a book, and I loaned it to her. She wasnt my idea of attractive or appealing yet she got the idea I was hot for her. I wasnt. THAT is more like projection.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

A book I absolutely despised, I think Dickens was a great writer but that book drove me up the wall, I didn't like any of the characters and found it wanting. I rank that with Wuthering Heights as one of the most overrated books in history...

Youre out-voted; GE is universally regarded as maybe his best, and its excellent if you understand Pip and his history of rejection by females.