God

[Exquisition]

You know the thing is that God is not the cause of that. God gave each of us the ability to live our lives like we want. Not like he would have it. We have choices to make and some people make the wrong choices. I agree there were bad things done in the name of God but not by God. There are also good things that are done in his name but those things are swept under the rug.

He may not be the cause but if he was truly omnipotent and if we are truly made in his image then he is willfully ignoring suffering pepetrated in his name and as reflections of him we provide insight into who he/she truly is (if you accept God exists, of course).

That's what I choose to take from the Bible. Same words, diff. interpretation.

Christianity has split into a gazillion branches based upon intepretation of the good book. Who's right, the Catholics or the Protestants? The Jehova's Witnesses or the Latter Day Saints?

Abraham as observed by a Muslim or Abraham as observed by a Christian? If so, which Christian observance of Abraham is the correct interpretation, the Mormon, Methodist, Quaker or Amish one?

Will an Amish believer go to Heaven because he doesn't watch TV? Will the orthodox Russian Christian burn in Hell because he does?

Was David Koresh right? Maybe the Branch Davidian interpretation was right and all of the pious, zealots, secure in their own interpretation are going to Hell?

See the problem?

If none of that matters, then why not take a sabbatical (pun intended) from Christianity and take a spell in a different religion each year?

You might broaden your horizons, be less closed to other Faiths and the world might truly be a happier place in the name of religion.

 

[Exquisition]

I don't know how old the earth is. Ask a geologist.
Created and evolved are not mutually exclusive.
You mean 616 not 661 and I don't really care.
Only an idiot doesn't use medicine.

The Bible tells us the World was created about 6,500 years ago and you don't care a geologist (scientist) will tell you its billions of years old based upon significant scientific evidence?

Doesn't anything that highlights the folly of 'God's word' at least make you question and look into it?

616, 661, 666 who cares right? I mean it;s better just to cherry pick bits from the Bible that fit in with your view. Ignore the anomalies, allegory and inaccuracies that can't be explained as some myseterious lesson you need to take on board.

So if you use medicine, presumably you trust and accept the science that underpinned its existence.

So why do so many Bible Bashers denounce any scientific research that doesn't quite fit in with the cosy views expounded in a 2000 year old snap shot woefully out of date scientifically?

What's the difference between the science of medicine and the science of carbon dating? Why is one scientific approach perfectly good to a believer but another suddenly shaky?

 

[phrodeau]

He may not be the cause but if he was truly omnipotent and if we are truly made in his image then he is willfully ignoring suffering pepetrated in his name and as reflections of him we provide insight into who he/she truly is (if you accept God exists, of course).

That's what I choose to take from the Bible. Same words, diff. interpretation.

Christianity has split into a gazillion branches based upon intepretation of the good book. Who's right, the Catholics or the Protestants? The Jehova's Witnesses or the Latter Day Saints?

Abraham as observed by a Muslim or Abraham as observed by a Christian? If so, which Christian observance of Abraham is the correct interpretation, the Mormon, Methodist, Quaker or Amish one?

Will an Amish believer go to Heaven because he doesn't watch TV? Will the orthodox Russian Christian burn in Hell because he does?

Was David Koresh right? Maybe the Branch Davidian interpretation was right and all of the pious, zealots, secure in their own interpretation are going to Hell?

See the problem?

If none of that matters, then why not take a sabbatical (pun intended) from Christianity and take a spell in a different religion each year?

You might broaden your horizons, be less closed to other Faiths and the world might truly be a happier place in the name of religion.

I've read the RSV Bible, and I know that there are hundreds of different Bible translations. I've studied many of the faiths you mention. With the exception of the Catholics, they all claim that any Bible will do. Latter-day Saints have a second book to add, but they aren't picky about which Bible it's added to.

Every Bible I've come across has the same inconsistencies and absurdities. Every sect makes it a point to accept what the Bible says, any Bible. None have published a redacted Bible, except for Reader's Digest.

If the Bible is really the word of God, and God wants us to be instructed by the Bible, and to believe in His infallibility and essential goodness based on the Bible, He has not been very convincing.

 

[KRCummings]

The Bible tells us the World was created about 6,500 years ago and you don't care a geologist (scientist) will tell you its billions of years old based upon significant scientific evidence?

Doesn't anything that highlights the folly of 'God's word' at least make you question and look into it?

616, 661, 666 who cares right? I mean it;s better just to cherry pick bits from the Bible that fit in with your view. Ignore the anomalies, allegory and inaccuracies that can't be explained as some myseterious lesson you need to take on board.

So if you use medicine, presumably you trust and accept the science that underpinned its existence.

So why do so many Bible Bashers denounce any scientific research that doesn't quite fit in with the cosy views expounded in a 2000 year old snap shot woefully out of date scientifically?

What's the difference between the science of medicine and the science of carbon dating? Why is one scientific approach perfectly good to a believer but another suddenly shaky?

You ever thought about actually reading something before deciding what it does or does not say?
The Bible doesn't say how old the earth is. People decided that it does by adding up genealogies.
The 666 thing is one thing from a vision/dream that is quite obviously not meant to be taken literally and was seen as a more contemporary event at the time. Revelation has little to offer.
You seem stuck on this concept that science and God cannot coexist.
I don't know why other people believe what they do. I don't care.

 

[Exquisition]

You ever thought about actually reading something before deciding what it does or does not say?
The Bible doesn't say how old the earth is. People decided that it does by adding up genealogies.
The 666 thing is one thing from a vision/dream that is quite obviously not meant to be taken literally and was seen as a more contemporary event at the time. Revelation has little to offer.
You seem stuck on this concept that science and God cannot coexist.
I don't know why other people believe what they do. I don't care.

No answers, just rhetoric.

Forget the allegorical part of Rev. for a sec. The 666 reference serves to highlight how mistranslations and their spawned descendants can change the meaning/interpretation for subsequent generations of believers.

Mistranslation tends to crop up a lot in the Bible.

Worrying you can come to the conclusion that Revelations has little to offer. Is that what you, personally have decided about God's Word in this case then? It has little meaning. Isn't that blasphemous?

I'm sure you could get into a nice long one with another Christian who would find Revelations to be the most important book in the Bible.

That lack of consistency is part of the problem. It's based upon an individual's interpretation or perhaps the interpretation of the priest or pastor that delivers the sermon.

No, I don;t see how science and religion can co-exist on fundamentals such as evolution or creation.

 

[KRCummings]

No answers, just rhetoric.

Forget the allegorical part of Rev. for a sec. The 666 reference serves to highlight how mistranslations and their spawned descendants can change the meaning/interpretation for subsequent generations of believers.

Mistranslation tends to crop up a lot in the Bible.

Worrying you can come to the conclusion that Revelations has little to offer. Is that what you, personally have decided about God's Word in this case then? It has little meaning. Isn't that blasphemous?

I'm sure you could get into a nice long one with another Christian who would find Revelations to be the most important book in the Bible.

That lack of consistency is part of the problem. It's based upon an individual's interpretation or perhaps the interpretation of the priest or pastor that delivers the sermon.

No, I don;t see how science and religion can co-exist on fundamentals such as evolution or creation.

Lots of people think Revelation is important. Lots of people don't. Who cares either way? Christianity doesn't require an opinion on the matter so it has little to offer.
Most churches believe in evolution as guided by God and that science like everything else is Gods creation. It's mostly atheists and fundamentalists that have decided the two can't live together.

 

[Tryharder62]

You might broaden your horizons, be less closed to other Faiths and the world might truly be a happier place in the name of religion.

You know I understand the point you are trying to make. You really don't know me or you would know that I have not closed myself off to other faiths. I respect other beliefs. I am here listening to other views not simply dismissing them because they are not mine. I just wish others would open themselves likewise to Christianity. You know I am 46 years old. My parents died young. (Well as I get older late 60's early 70's is young) I realized that at some point I finally had to make a decision. What do I believe? Christianity is my decision. I hope the world is a happier place because I use the gifts God gave me to help people, not on whether I am a Christian or not. I believe other people who aren't Christians use gifts to help people too. Wouldn't it be great if everybody no matter their beliefs just put down the sword of "religion" and helped each other.

 

[Exquisition]

Lots of people think Revelation is important. Lots of people don't. Who cares either way? Christianity doesn't require an opinion on the matter so it has little to offer.
Most churches believe in evolution as guided by God and that science like everything else is Gods creation. It's mostly atheists and fundamentalists that have decided the two can't live together.

Isn;t the whole thing the word of God?

 

[Rolando2]

and the debate continues......and still no answer! does no one know ?https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-NhFrvNs_oQA/TYDhn-v1EtI/AAAAAAAABjE/2-vYE8LQRTY/s192/j0434411.jpg

 

[Exquisition]

You know I understand the point you are trying to make. You really don't know me or you would know that I have not closed myself off to other faiths. I respect other beliefs. I am here listening to other views not simply dismissing them because they are not mine. I just wish others would open themselves likewise to Christianity. You know I am 46 years old. My parents died young. (Well as I get older late 60's early 70's is young) I realized that at some point I finally had to make a decision. What do I believe? Christianity is my decision. I hope the world is a happier place because I use the gifts God gave me to help people, not on whether I am a Christian or not. I believe other people who aren't Christians use gifts to help people too. Wouldn't it be great if everybody no matter their beliefs just put down the sword of "religion" and helped each other.

Amen to this & totally agree, but you sound like a reasonable guy who's not parading yourGod on some crusade.

It's the zealots in the name of their various Gods I have a problem with.

 

[Oo_Bugsy]

God is a lie, much like free speech. And anything the Government says.

 

[Tryharder62]

Amen to this & totally agree, but you sound like a reasonable guy who's not parading yourGod on some crusade.

It's the zealots in the name of their various Gods I have a problem with.

Good. Now I just have one more bit of information to impart. I'm a gal.

 

[julybaby04]

With all of the arguments that God is not real or does not exist....one thing is left out......FAITH.


Question: "Does God exist? Is there evidence for the existence of God?"

Answer: The existence of God cannot be proved or disproved. The Bible says that we must accept by faith the fact that God exists: “And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him” (Hebrews 11:6). If God so desired, He could simply appear and prove to the whole world that He exists. But if He did that, there would be no need for faith. “Then Jesus told him, ‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed’” (John 20:29).


And for the non-believer....

People claim to reject God’s existence because it is “not scientific” or “because there is no proof.” The true reason is that once they admit that there is a God, they also must realize that they are responsible to God and in need of forgiveness from Him (Romans 3:23, 6:23). If God exists, then we are accountable to Him for our actions. If God does not exist, then we can do whatever we want without having to worry about God judging us. That is why many of those who deny the existence of God cling strongly to the theory of naturalistic evolution—it gives them an alternative to believing in a Creator God. God exists and ultimately everyone knows that He exists. The very fact that some attempt so aggressively to disprove His existence is in fact an argument for His existence.

http://www.gotquestions.org/does-god-exist.html

 

[Oo_Bugsy]

With all of the arguments that God is not real or does not exist....one thing is left out......FAITH.


Question: "Does God exist? Is there evidence for the existence of God?"

Answer: The existence of God cannot be proved or disproved. The Bible says that we must accept by faith the fact that God exists: “And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him” (Hebrews 11:6). If God so desired, He could simply appear and prove to the whole world that He exists. But if He did that, there would be no need for faith. “Then Jesus told him, ‘Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed’” (John 20:29).


And for the non-believer....

People claim to reject God’s existence because it is “not scientific” or “because there is no proof.” The true reason is that once they admit that there is a God, they also must realize that they are responsible to God and in need of forgiveness from Him (Romans 3:23, 6:23). If God exists, then we are accountable to Him for our actions. If God does not exist, then we can do whatever we want without having to worry about God judging us. That is why many of those who deny the existence of God cling strongly to the theory of naturalistic evolution—it gives them an alternative to believing in a Creator God. God exists and ultimately everyone knows that He exists. The very fact that some attempt so aggressively to disprove His existence is in fact an argument for His existence.

http://www.gotquestions.org/does-god-exist.html

Basically everything you said there for both believers and non believers was forcing the view of "his" existence.
Basing arguements on quotes from a book is hardly valid evidence. I could quote lines from Harry Potter, it doesn't mean I can use that as proof Hogwarts exists.

There is one question I have asked every bible basher I have this "discussion" with:

If "God" is the creator of everything we know, who created "God"?
Nothing can just appear. Cant just manifest itself.

 

[julybaby04]

Basically everything you said there for both believers and non believers was forcing the view of "his" existence.
Basing arguements on quotes from a book is hardly valid evidence. I could quote lines from Harry Potter, it doesn't mean I can use that as proof Hogwarts exists.

There is one question I have asked every bible basher I have this "discussion" with:

If "God" is the creator of everything we know, who created "God"?
Nothing can just appear. Cant just manifest itself.

God has always been....and will always be. He was not created. He existed before anything else. He did not appear and was not manifested. He already existed.

I believe what that information said is that God cannot be "proven" nor "disproven"...by man. If He CHOSE to make Himself known...He could. Believing in God requires faith.....and that is what He wants from us. Faith in Him, even though "man" says not to.

Our (man's) ways are not God's ways. He can do whatever He chooses to do. If He decides to make Himself known to everyone, He will most certainly do that. The return of Jesus Christ will be a very clear sign of who God is....when God decides the time is at hand.

 

[Oo_Bugsy]

God has always been....and will always be. He was not created. He existed before anything else. He did not appear and was not manifested. He already existed.

I believe what that information said is that God cannot be "proven" nor "disproven"...by man. If He CHOSE to make Himself known...He could. Believing in God requires faith.....and that is what He wants from us. Faith in Him, even though "man" says not to.

Our (man's) ways are not God's ways. He can do whatever He chooses to do. If He decides to make Himself known to everyone, He will most certainly do that. The return of Jesus Christ will be a very clear sign of who God is....when God decides the time is at hand.

The Bible is a book written thousands of years ago by primitive men. A book that advocates senseless murder, slavery and the oppression of women has no place in our society today.

The creation story in Genesis is completely wrong. Simply read Genesis and you can see it. For example, the Bible says that light and darkness are created after the water but before the sun. Everyone knows that the sun came first, then the planet and its rotation (which is what causes light and darkness to occur on a daily basis) and then the water, and this all happened over millions of years. There are many other problems with the Bible:
Man did not come from a handful of dust through some mythological being. Man evolved from other species like every other living thing has for hundreds of millions of years.
The Bible talks about a world-wide flood that covered earth in 5.5 miles of water and killed everything, yet we know it never happened. That is clear from the archeolgical record.
There was no tower of Babel where God confounded the languages of mankind.
The list goes on and on. The Bible is nonsense in a thousand different scientific ways.

 

[julybaby04]

The Bible is a book written thousands of years ago by primitive men. A book that advocates senseless murder, slavery and the oppression of women has no place in our society today.

The creation story in Genesis is completely wrong. Simply read Genesis and you can see it. For example, the Bible says that light and darkness are created after the water but before the sun. Everyone knows that the sun came first, then the planet and its rotation (which is what causes light and darkness to occur on a daily basis) and then the water, and this all happened over millions of years. There are many other problems with the Bible:
Man did not come from a handful of dust through some mythological being. Man evolved from other species like every other living thing has for hundreds of millions of years.
The Bible talks about a world-wide flood that covered earth in 5.5 miles of water and killed everything, yet we know it never happened. That is clear from the archeolgical record.
There was no tower of Babel where God confounded the languages of mankind.
The list goes on and on. The Bible is nonsense in a thousand different scientific ways.

Interesting that everyone knows so many things....

If anyone EVER says they understand everything about God, they are liars. If anyone states that the know with certainty what every passage of the Bible says, means, or does not mean, without questions of any of it, they too are lying.

The Bible is a book that is the Word of God, inspired by God through the written word of man. Just because things seem difficult to understand in our finite minds, does not mean it is wrong. Unless you, specifically you, were there, and can disprove everything you mention....then your view is no more valid than my stating by my faith, that it is true. You are free to believe it did not exist, as I am free to believe, through faith of what was unseen, that it is absolutely true.

 

[richard_daily]

I've read the RSV Bible, and I know that there are hundreds of different Bible translations. I've studied many of the faiths you mention. With the exception of the Catholics, they all claim that any Bible will do. Latter-day Saints have a second book to add, but they aren't picky about which Bible it's added to.

Every Bible I've come across has the same inconsistencies and absurdities. Every sect makes it a point to accept what the Bible says, any Bible. None have published a redacted Bible, except for Reader's Digest.

If the Bible is really the word of God, and God wants us to be instructed by the Bible, and to believe in His infallibility and essential goodness based on the Bible, He has not been very convincing.

god needs a much better editor.

 

[Oo_Bugsy]

Interesting that everyone knows so many things....

If anyone EVER says they understand everything about God, they are liars. If anyone states that the know with certainty what every passage of the Bible says, means, or does not mean, without questions of any of it, they too are lying.

The Bible is a book that is the Word of God, inspired by God through the written word of man. Just because things seem difficult to understand in our finite minds, does not mean it is wrong. Unless you, specifically you, were there, and can disprove everything you mention....then your view is no more valid than my stating by my faith, that it is true. You are free to believe it did not exist, as I am free to believe, through faith of what was unseen, that it is absolutely true.

Ask yourself this simple question: Why, when you read the Bible, are you not left in awe? Why doesn't a book written by an omniscient being leave you with a sense of wonder and amazement? If you are reading a book written by the all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving creator of the universe, wouldn't you expect to be stunned by the brilliance, the clarity and the wisdom of the author? Would you not expect each new page to intoxicate you with its incredible prose and its spectacular insight? Wouldn't you expect the author to tell us things that scientists have not been able to discover yet?

Yet, when we open the Bible and actually read it, we find it is nothing like that at all. Instead of leaving us in awe, it leaves us dumbfounded by all of the nonsense and backwardness that it contains. If you read what the Bible actually says, you find that the Bible is ridiculous. If we are honest with ourselves, it is obvious that an "all-knowing" God had absolutely nothing to do with this book.

Lets look at some examples.

Consecrate yourselves therefore, and be holy; for I am the Lord your God. Keep my statutes, and observe them; I am the Lord; I sanctify you.

All who curse father or mother shall be put to death; having cursed father or mother, their blood is upon them.

If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbour, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death. The man who lies with his father's wife has uncovered his father's nakedness; both of them shall be put to death; their blood is upon them.

If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall be put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is upon them.

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death; their blood is upon them. [Leviticus, chapter 20]

If we are going to follow what this author says, we have to kill half the people in America. We are supposed to kill everyone who has cursed his father or mother, everyone who has committed adultery, and every homosexual.

The list is honestly endless, I could do this all day.

 

[fair_warning]

Created and evolved are not mutually exclusive.

Morphing creationism and evolution is just nut-job lite.

 

[julybaby04]

Ask yourself this simple question: Why, when you read the Bible, are you not left in awe? Why doesn't a book written by an omniscient being leave you with a sense of wonder and amazement? If you are reading a book written by the all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving creator of the universe, wouldn't you expect to be stunned by the brilliance, the clarity and the wisdom of the author? Would you not expect each new page to intoxicate you with its incredible prose and its spectacular insight? Wouldn't you expect the author to tell us things that scientists have not been able to discover yet?

Yet, when we open the Bible and actually read it, we find it is nothing like that at all. Instead of leaving us in awe, it leaves us dumbfounded by all of the nonsense and backwardness that it contains. If you read what the Bible actually says, you find that the Bible is ridiculous. If we are honest with ourselves, it is obvious that an "all-knowing" God had absolutely nothing to do with this book.

Lets look at some examples.











If we are going to follow what this author says, we have to kill half the people in America. We are supposed to kill everyone who has cursed his father or mother, everyone who has committed adultery, and every homosexual.

The list is honestly endless, I could do this all day.

I believe, as you did not reference any of the verses, that you are quoting from the Old Testament. There were many do's and do not's. The laws the people were to live under were numerous. Yes, there were many laws about living correctly and what happens when they did not. But, everyone sins, and God knows this (since the fall of Adam and Eve, at least). There were people put to death for doing things you mentioned. These are all sins.

The difference is that Jesus Christ was the One sacrifice that satisfied all of the sins that occurred before and all that would occur after Him. Was there bloodshed in the Bible, yes. Were there wars? Yes. Was there all kinds of sin? Yes. So much is written about that in the pages of the Bible. It was not a perfect world then, and will never be. The people who commit those sins you mentioned, are now covered by the blood that Jesus Christ shed when He died on the cross (and then rose again).

While those are still sins, faith in Jesus and believing in Him.....asking for forgiveness of sins and the willingness to try and not repeat them....that is what we live under now....not the law of the Old Testament. They did not have a Savior in the Old Testament....they had the promise of one.

As far as reading the Bible and being awed......I am every single time I read it. Do I understand it completely? Nope. Will I ever?...Nope. Do I learn every time I read the Bible, yes.

 

[eyer]

If I were perfect I wouldn't need a Savior. And I need a Savior. I think if people want to find a way to discredit anyone they can. I just try to live my life the best way I can. I call myself a Christian because one night after much thought I had a decision to make. I wanted out of life completely. I'd had enough abuse. So I cried and said God I can't handle all this anymore. Can you help me? He did.

As to the rich man - God knew the condition of his heart and there was no room for Him there. One only has to have the faith the size of a mustard seed.

I join in the discussions about God because I learn a lot from others who share their beliefs here. I have learned about the spirituality of atheists and I can tell you at least one non-believer and I am sure there are others who know more about the bible than I ever will. I simply share my opinion as a woman who has looked and continues to look at the choices that this world seems to offer. I choose Jesus.

Whatever...

...you and your Joel Osteenesque "Christianity" are back on iggy, harlot.

(You may want to research the Word's take on harlot as it applies to God's people...

...that is, if you ever use the internet for anything else other than to bring shame upon your husband by soliciting other men online.)

 

[fair_warning]

Whatever...

...you and your Joel Osteenesque "Christianity" are back on iggy, harlot.

(You may want to research the Word's take on harlot as it applies to God's people...

...that is, if you ever use the internet for anything else other than to bring shame upon your husband by soliciting other men online.)

Wtf?
Are you part of the God Gang tasked with making Lit a good clean porn board? Good luck with that.

 

[Oo_Bugsy]

The Bible is not the only thing full of inconsistencies.
Religion as a whole is merely a delusion.

A delusion is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary.

How might we prove that God is imaginary? One way would be to find a contradiction between the definition of God and the God we experience in the real world.

What would happen if we get down on our knees and pray to God in this way:

Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to cure every case of cancer on this planet tonight. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. In Jesus' name we pray, Amen.
We pray sincerely, knowing that when God answers this completely heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways.
Will anything happen? No. Of course not.

If the Bible is literally true, then something is seriously amiss. Simply look at the facts. In Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:

Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!

If "every one who asks receives", then if we ask for cancer to be cured, it should be cured. Right? If "our Father who is in heaven gives good things to those who ask him", then if we ask him to cure cancer, he should cure it. Right? And yet nothing happens.

In Matthew 17:20 Jesus says:

For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.

If "nothing will be impossible to you", then if we ask to cure cancer tonight, cancer should disappear. Right? Yet nothing happens. Note that if we take the Bible less-than-literally here, the statement "nothing will be impossible to you" becomes "lots of things will be impossible to you," and that would mean that Jesus is lying.

In Matthew 21:21:

I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.

If "you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer", then if we ask to cure cancer tonight, cancer should dissappear. Right? Yet nothing happens. Note again that there is not a non-literal way to interpret "you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer", unless you replace "whatever" with "nothing" or "little."

The message is reiterated Mark 11:24:

Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

If God says, "believe that you have received it, and it will be yours," and if we believe in God and his power, then what should happen if we pray to cure cancer tonight? It should be cured. Either that, or God is lying.

In John chapter 14, verses 12 through 14, Jesus tells all of us just how easy prayer can be:

"I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it."

Look at how direct this statement is: "You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it." This is the "Son of God" speaking. Have we taken him "too literally?" No. This is a simple, unambiguous statement. Have we taken his statement "out of context?" No - Jesus uses the word anyone. Yet Jesus' statement is obviously false. Because when we ask God to cure cancer tonight, nothing happens.
We see the same thing over and over again...

In Matthew 18:19 Jesus says:

Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

In James 5:15-16 the Bible says:
And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven. Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.


And keep in mind that this is Jesus talking here. These are not the words of human beings. These are not the words of "inspired" human beings. These are supposedly the words of God himself, incarnated in a human body. Jesus is supposed to be a perfect, sinless being. And yet, it is obvious that Jesus is lying. What Jesus says is clearly incorrect.

Need I carry on? I can if need be

 

[eyer]

Wtf?

Indeed...