God

[eyer]

How futile it is for those who insist on trying to "prove" the spiritual to those who can only comprehend the physical.

The existence of God cannot be "proven"...

...for the life of God is in His Spirit.

How even more futile it is for one to even think the way to an unbeliever's hardened heart is through instruction...

...let alone to continually trod that meaningless path over and over and over again.

Instruction and edification are for the believer, not the lost...

...(and has been evidenced in this thread, even believers don't follow literal instruction).

The lost do not have the Spirit, the Interpreter of the Word of God to any man.

The saving path to the lost's heart is only found in the lost finally realizing the Truth of how much God loves them, "proven" by the telling of the gospel.

How futile is it that a believer believes it is up to them to get the message across to the unbeliever...

...when it is only the Christ within them that can Truly reach any man's heart.

but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness,

1 Corinthians 1:23 (NASB)

I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.

Galatians 2:20 (NASB)

 

[BoyNextDoor]

How futile it is for those who insist on trying to "prove" the spiritual to those who can only comprehend the physical.

The existence of God cannot be "proven"...

...for the life of God is in His Spirit.

How even more futile it is for one to even think the way to an unbeliever's hardened heart is through instruction...

...let alone to continually trod that meaningless path over and over and over again.

Instruction and edification are for the believer, not the lost...

...(and has been evidenced in this thread, even believers don't follow literal instruction).

The lost do not have the Spirit, the Interpreter of the Word of God to any man.

The saving path to the lost's heart is only found in the lost finally realizing the Truth of how much God loves them, "proven" by the telling of the gospel.

How futile is it that a believer believes it is up to them to get the message across to the unbeliever...

...when it is only the Christ within them that can Truly reach any man's heart.

So basically .... you can't prove
... jack shit?

The Unbeliever should ..... take your word for it
... because the Christ within you said so?

Was that the same Christ that told Cain, Bachman, Perry, and Gingrich all to run for President in the same election ....?

KRC was right. That God guy had a sense of humor.

 

[Tryharder62]

How futile it is for those who insist on trying to "prove" the spiritual to those who can only comprehend the physical.

The existence of God cannot be "proven"...

...for the life of God is in His Spirit.

How even more futile it is for one to even think the way to an unbeliever's hardened heart is through instruction...

...let alone to continually trod that meaningless path over and over and over again.

Instruction and edification are for the believer, not the lost...

...(and has been evidenced in this thread, even believers don't follow literal instruction).

The lost do not have the Spirit, the Interpreter of the Word of God to any man.

The saving path to the lost's heart is only found in the lost finally realizing the Truth of how much God loves them, "proven" by the telling of the gospel.

How futile is it that a believer believes it is up to them to get the message across to the unbeliever...

...when it is only the Christ within them that can Truly reach any man's heart.

Some believer shared the message with me when I was 18. I think I'll carry on and do the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuTMgmlIl3U

 

[eyer]

Some believer shared the message with me when I was 18.

Really?

Do you share "the message" with your husband that you're here on LIT screwing around, too?

 

[Tryharder62]

Really?

Do you share "the message" with your husband that you're here on LIT screwing around, too?

He knows. Listen I will be the first to admit to anyone who asks that I am human. I like to blow of steam on lit and talk to other people. But I am alive today because I decided to follow him. Doesn't mean I'm perfect. Do I think God likes that I am on lit? No. I struggle with it.

 

[eyer]

Do I think God likes that I am on lit? No. I struggle with it.

Do you think God liked that the rich young man wouldn't give up his riches, his intentional choice disqualifying him to be a child of God?

No.

And you know what?

It doesn't matter how much he "struggle"d with his disobedience...

Why do you call yourself "Christian"...

...when you do not follow what He commands?

 

[ishtat]

Mark was written somewhere in the neighborhood of 70 AD. That would put it roughly 30 or 40 years after Jesus' death. Close enough to get the big picture right but long enough to lose the details. Especially if they really were drawing from another source which is likely since one is referred to in either Luke or Matthew. I don't remember which.
And they were written in Greek. For those who think some Coptic books are "pure" and "untranslated."

Not all, some of the earliest writings were in Syriac.

There are a couple of decent Wiki articles on the Canon and its development.

 

[Exquisition]

He might. God must have a sense of humor since he gave us one

Yes. It helps to laugh when you see all the hatred, bigotry, ignorance and death peptrated in the name of God.

 

[Exquisition]

KR how old is the earth?
Were we created or did we evolve?
Is the number of the beast 666 or 661?
Do you take meds or accept medical treatment in any form (and therefore tacitly accept scientific endeavour in certain circumstances?).

Give a zealot a fossilised bone and he'll look puzzled
Show a zealot a dinosaur skeleton and he'll scratch his head and say "that's the Devil's work."

 

[fair_warning]

So basically .... you can't prove
... jack shit?

The Unbeliever should ..... take your word for it
... because the Christ within you said so?

Ah, yes and yes.
Any discussion will ultimately but circuitously arrive at a point where those that believe in God will tell you he just is. I have absolutely no problem with any one telling me that they believe in God. I do have a problem if any one tells me that they can prove God exists and that the Bible supports their argument.

 

[Byron In Exile]

Ah, yes and yes.
Any discussion will ultimately but circuitously arrive at a point where those that believe in God will tell you he just is. I have absolutely no problem with any one telling me that they believe in God. I do have a problem if any one tells me that they can prove God exists and that the Bible supports their argument.

Consciousness cannot be rationalized.

It cannot be explained, and it cannot be measured.

Science has no answer for it.

Now. You tell me. What are we to make of this?

 

[Byron In Exile]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iih7QsbuVLM

 

[fair_warning]

Consciousness cannot be rationalized.

It cannot be explained, and it cannot be measured.

Science has no answer for it.

Now. You tell me. What are we to make of this?

At the risk of being called a suck up I agree with you. But as a result of my inability to fully understand or rationalise the traverse of time between life and death I don't hang it on some spirit in the sky.

 

[Exquisition]

I don't hang it on some spirit in the sky.

Well, no. But I do hang it on some spirit in a bottle.

 

[fair_warning]

Well, no. But I do hang it on some spirit in a bottle.

More sense will be got from that spirit

 

[richard_daily]

He knows. Listen I will be the first to admit to anyone who asks that I am human. I like to blow of steam on lit and talk to other people. But I am alive today because I decided to follow him. Doesn't mean I'm perfect. Do I think God likes that I am on lit? No. I struggle with it.

Lit is part of god's plan.

 

[richard_daily]

Consciousness cannot be rationalized.

It cannot be explained, and it cannot be measured.

Science has no answer for it.

Now. You tell me. What are we to make of this?

You meant "unconsciousness".

Science proves consciousness all the time.

 

[julybaby04]

He knows. Listen I will be the first to admit to anyone who asks that I am human. I like to blow of steam on lit and talk to other people. But I am alive today because I decided to follow him. Doesn't mean I'm perfect. Do I think God likes that I am on lit? No. I struggle with it.

We all struggle. We, who follow Christ, will always have sin to deal with. Just because we are followers of Christ do not mean that we have perfect lives...usually far from it. The difference is that we recognize it and try to do better today than yesterday in dealing with sin.....and we have the peace that comes from knowing that when we do mess up, there is a way to be forgiven (if we truly are sorry for the sin).

I, like you probably, do not share your faith in hoping that everyone who is an unbeliever on this board will "see the light" and be saved. I think most on here have probably heard of God. I just share who He is from the point of view of a follower....just a different way from those who choose not to believe.

In the end....doesnt matter what I say, what you say, nor what anyone else says on here. The end will come for every single person that is living today or will be born in the future. Heaven is very real and Hell is just as real. Each person will spend eternity in one or the other. The choice is for each person to make for themselves.

I hope you, and everyone here has a very blessed day today!

 

[Tryharder62]

Do you think God liked that the rich young man wouldn't give up his riches, his intentional choice disqualifying him to be a child of God?

No.

And you know what?

It doesn't matter how much he "struggle"d with his disobedience...

Why do you call yourself "Christian"...

...when you do not follow what He commands?

If I were perfect I wouldn't need a Savior. And I need a Savior. I think if people want to find a way to discredit anyone they can. I just try to live my life the best way I can. I call myself a Christian because one night after much thought I had a decision to make. I wanted out of life completely. I'd had enough abuse. So I cried and said God I can't handle all this anymore. Can you help me? He did.

As to the rich man - God knew the condition of his heart and there was no room for Him there. One only has to have the faith the size of a mustard seed.

I join in the discussions about God because I learn a lot from others who share their beliefs here. I have learned about the spirituality of atheists and I can tell you at least one non-believer and I am sure there are others who know more about the bible than I ever will. I simply share my opinion as a woman who has looked and continues to look at the choices that this world seems to offer. I choose Jesus.

 

[Tryharder62]

Thanks Julybaby

 

[Tryharder62]

Yes. It helps to laugh when you see all the hatred, bigotry, ignorance and death peptrated in the name of God.

You know the thing is that God is not the cause of that. God gave each of us the ability to live our lives like we want. Not like he would have it. We have choices to make and some people make the wrong choices. I agree there were bad things done in the name of God but not by God. There are also good things that are done in his name but those things are swept under the rug.

 

[KRCummings]

Not all, some of the earliest writings were in Syriac.

There are a couple of decent Wiki articles on the Canon and its development.

The Gospels were originally written in Greek. I don't know how you're going to learn to live with that fact but I'm sure you'll find a way.

 

[KRCummings]

KR how old is the earth?
Were we created or did we evolve?
Is the number of the beast 666 or 661?
Do you take meds or accept medical treatment in any form (and therefore tacitly accept scientific endeavour in certain circumstances?).

Give a zealot a fossilised bone and he'll look puzzled
Show a zealot a dinosaur skeleton and he'll scratch his head and say "that's the Devil's work."

I don't know how old the earth is. Ask a geologist.
Created and evolved are not mutually exclusive.
You mean 616 not 661 and I don't really care.
Only an idiot doesn't use medicine.

 

[KRCummings]

You meant "unconsciousness".

Science proves consciousness all the time.

There isn't even an agreed upon definition of it. You're thinking of the medical concept of consciousness which is different.

 

[phrodeau]

Consciousness cannot be rationalized.

It cannot be explained, and it cannot be measured.

Science has no answer for it.

Now. You tell me. What are we to make of this?

We're working on it.

Every being with a brain has some sense of its own existence. That comes from needing one to survive. Without it, you have no impetus to do the work of feeding yourself. Beings without brains will live or die depending on the food that falls in their mouths.