government and budgets WTF

[NeverEndingMe]

why the hell do we give government a blank canvas every year when it comes to the budget? these trolls will spend every penny they can. why not? after all they have no incentive not to, these terrorist are rewarded for SPENDING.

this is all wrong.

we must teach government that they are to spend 10% less ever budget cycle.
we also must teach government terrorist to terminate 10% of the bottom of the work force.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

the best solution to the obama debt, is to overhaul government and cut back on entitlements. yes, this does mean to terminate 47% of the government work force

 

[NeverEndingMe]

if we take back the "pension" plan and use that money to pay down the obama debt, well that would be a step in the right direction.

after all, government workers didn't put any money in the pension. also, they still have social security for their retardment

 

[badbabysitter]

holy fuck, you're so fucking stupid you entered a conversation with yourself

 

[zipman]

holy fuck, you're so fucking stupid you entered a conversation with yourself

And somehow she's still losing.

 

[TexasWife25]

And somehow she's still losing.

*giggle-snort*

Makes sense to me

 

[BoyNextDoor]

why the hell do we give government a blank canvas every year when it comes to the budget? these trolls will spend every penny they can. why not? after all they have no incentive not to, these terrorist are rewarded for SPENDING.

this is all wrong.

we must teach government that they are to spend 10% less ever budget cycle.
we also must teach government terrorist to terminate 10% of the bottom of the work force.

Ok great idea. Start with the elimination of the Department of Homeland Security. There is a quick $54 Billion.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

And somehow she's still losing.

did I quote myself or have a "conversation" no you dumbass

no wonder government is fucked, if you are the kind of person working in government

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Ok great idea. Start with the elimination of the Department of Homeland Security. There is a quick $54 Billion.

I agree with you!

 

[Frizzle_Fry]

I agree with you!

And the war on drugs that has done nothing in the past 40 years but increase black market violence ala 20's alcohol prohibition style? Not to mention make an 8 ball of coke far easier for kids to get than ciggs/booze....

That's how many billions saved a year?

 

[TexasWife25]

And the war on drugs that has done nothing in the past 40 years but increase black market violence ala 20's alcohol prohibition style? Not to mention make an 8 ball of coke far easier for kids to get than ciggs/booze....

That's how many billions saved a year?

You are never going to end the war on drugs.

I mentioned this in another thread, but most people, while they cry about cost to the state, really don't care about that. They vote on emotion. A war on drugs feels like the right thing to do, so any legislation that goes against that, no matter how cost effective is seen as bad for society.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

And the war on drugs that has done nothing in the past 40 years but increase black market violence ala 20's alcohol prohibition style? Not to mention make an 8 ball of coke far easier for kids to get than ciggs/booze....

That's how many billions saved a year?

clearly we lost the war, unless obama is getting a % on all drug and gun sales?

 

[Frizzle_Fry]

You are never going to end the war on drugs.

I mentioned this in another thread, but most people, while they cry about cost to the state, really don't care about that. They vote on emotion. A war on drugs feels like the right thing to do, so any legislation that goes against that, no matter how cost effective is seen as bad for society.

OH I agree...not to mention all the money that's behind it in the form of lobbying from various PAC's and government funds going to law enforcement/private prisons. Every state could legalize drugs with 100% support and the fed would STILL continue the war on drugs because of the massive cash flow to be had by keeping it illegal.

clearly we lost the war

Because people like and in some cases need to get high...it's a fact. For eons they have been used for medical, religious and recreational purposes. Not only that but the prohibition of any substance is a direct attack on individual liberty.

Even God approves of Cannabis...
Genesis 9:3(ESV)

"Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything."

Not to mention pot is safer than any OTC/prescription drug available (why do you think big pharm has spent a grip on trying to develop a THC pill? and lobbied so hard to keep it illegal...)

unless obama is getting a % on all drug and gun sales?

Obama doesn't get a fucking PENNY of my income....and I don't know any pot farmers/drug dealers/cookers that pay him shit either.

Now answer the question.

Would you support the legalization of drugs if not for the support of the individual freedom to choose what one does with their own body but simply the worthless money pit that is the war on drugs?

Yes/no?

 

[NeverEndingMe]

You are never going to end the war on drugs.

I mentioned this in another thread, but most people, while they cry about cost to the state, really don't care about that. They vote on emotion. A war on drugs feels like the right thing to do, so any legislation that goes against that, no matter how cost effective is seen as bad for society.

holly crap, your stupidity has no ends

we lost the war on drugs, time to wake up and smell the coffee (maybe you need to run over to your neighbors hopefully they work and own a coffee maker)

 

[NeverEndingMe]

OH I agree...not to mention all the money that's behind it in the form of lobbying from various PAC's and government funds going to law enforcement/private prisons. Every state could legalize drugs with 100% support and the fed would STILL continue the war on drugs because of the massive cash flow to be had by keeping it illegal.



Because people like and in some cases need to get high...it's a fact. For eons they have been used for medical, religious and recreational purposes. Not only that but the prohibition of any substance is a direct attack on individual liberty.

Even God approves of Cannabis...
Genesis 9:3(ESV)

"Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything."

Not to mention pot is safer than any OTC/prescription drug available (why do you think big pharm has spent a grip on trying to develop a THC pill? and lobbied so hard to keep it illegal...)



Obama doesn't get a fucking PENNY of my income....and I don't know any pot farmers/drug dealers/cookers that pay him shit either.

Now answer the question.

Would you support the legalization of drugs if not for the support of the individual freedom to choose what one does with their own body but simply the worthless money pit that is the war on drugs?

Yes/no?

we have all those boys with little penis in law enforcement that love their toys - to make up for their lack of having a penis and these people will never give up that fight.

we need to remove religion out of this battle. we didn't win the war on booze and we will never win the war on drugs.

the only people making money are cops, and the obama (gun sales to cartels)

 

[Frizzle_Fry]

we have all those boys with little penis in law enforcement that love their toys - to make up for their lack of having a penis and these people will never give up that fight.

we need to remove religion out of this battle. we didn't win the war on booze and we will never win the war on drugs.

the only people making money are cops, and the obama (gun sales to cartels)

OHHHHHHH so you are a fan of secularism and supporter of the separation of church and state??? Well that's a new one....an alleged conservative who doesn't want to legislate the Bible...wow.

Or is this just a circumstantial case of pro secularism because the Bible and conservative pro war on drugs are in direct conflict?

Genesis 1:19 (KJV)

29 And God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food." ......Cannabis is a seed yielding plant....

You are right....right right right...the gov will NEVER win the war on drugs.

So once again, are you in favor of the legalization of drugs?

Yes or no?

 

[NeverEndingMe]

OHHHHHHH so you are a fan of secularism and supporter of the separation of church and state??? Well that's a new one....an alleged conservative who doesn't want to legislate the Bible...wow.

Or is this just a circumstantial case of pro secularism because the Bible and conservative pro war on drugs are in direct conflict?

Genesis 1:19 (KJV)

29 And God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food." ......Cannabis is a seed yielding plant....

You are right....right right right...the gov will NEVER win the war on drugs.

So once again, are you in favor of the legalization of drugs?

Yes or no?

the bible was written by man. religion and "government" don't go together. its like gasoline and a flame thrower

think I'm pretty clear and have said before that Its time we made drugs legal. boost government income with the sales tax and lic fees to grow pot, and take 1/2 that money to fund rehab places for people who need help

 

[Frizzle_Fry]

the bible was written by man. religion and "government" don't go together.

Indeed... so explain to me why conservatives cling to it as though it were the word of god, and then try and legislate it to everyone else, specifically non christian individuals instead of doing what is not only rational/logical but best for society in general. THEN try and claim they are proponents of freedom and liberty despite their blatant oppression of it?

Is it because only the parts they don't like are written by man but the rest of it is god's word?? because that would be epic convince.

BTW you didn't answer the question....

Legalize drugs, yes or no?

 

[SugarBunny2012]

Return of the $10,000 Toilet Seats!

 

[Ham Murabi]

Ok great idea. Start with the elimination of the Department of Homeland Security. There is a quick $54 Billion.

You've obviously given this some thought. Why would you start with Homeland Security?

 

[Frizzle_Fry]

You've obviously given this some thought. Why would you start with Homeland Security?

FBI, CIA, NSA, Army, Navy, Marine Coprs, (Air) National guard, Coast Guard, Customs, DEA, ATF, Border Patrol....god damn are they not insuring homeland security? If not they need to be fired...otherwise DHS is a shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhham of a money funnel.

Just my 2c

 

[NeverEndingMe]

FBI, CIA, NSA, Army, Navy, Marine Coprs, (Air) National guard, Coast Guard, Customs, DEA, ATF, Border Patrol....god damn are they not insuring homeland security? If not they need to be fired...otherwise DHS is a shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhham of a money funnel.

Just my 2c

does anyone know how many people work for "homeland" security? and just what is the total budget for these communist?

 

[njlauren]

They will if their constituents would stop demanding payouts from the government, the thing about most of those saying 'cut the budget' is they are often some of the biggest users. For example, anti government sentiment is strongest in the states that received the most from the federal government but claim they 'don't get nothing'. This includes:

-Mitch McConnell, whose area was de facto allowed to industrialize because of the government. The TVA took an area that was redneck central, with tired, worn soil and poor dirt farmers and helped turn it into an economic powerhouse by building hydro plants, controlling floods and building serious infrastructure. More importantly, in the tav region the feds produce the electric power at cost, which means businesses there are getting huge subsidies in the form of cheap electric power, more then half as cheap as private interests. Ever hear Mitch McConnel talking about privatizing the TVA and other federal power plants?

-Then we have ethanol, that marvelous government subsidized product that otherwise is an economic joke. Thanks to subsidies farmers are planting field to field corn and making a bundle on it, and ADM and Cargill get huge subsidies to produce it...to the tune of 10's of billions of dollars. Commodities are at record price levels, yet farmers are getting 10's of billions in subsidies

-Farmers also ignore a major fact, that if it wasn't for the federal government they wouldn't have phone service, electricity and internet access where they live. No utility is going to run wiring to places miles apart, as farms are, it is just too expensive to do so. Farms got power through the REA during the new deal and later one utilities were subsidized to wire otherwise unlucrative areas...but they get nothing from the government, right?


-Our defense budget is loaded with pork, and I am not talking toilet seats. The Pentagon recently wanted 10 new transport planes, and congress mysteriously gave them 20. We have large scale weapons systems designed to fight the cold war with Russia that are useless for challenges we face today, but prob at least 100 billion dollars is being spent on what is basically junk, because these systems are produced by firms in key districts, many of them GOP (who are otherwise 'tea party' types...) Note that the GOP is pledging to increase defense spending, much of it on large weapons systems, for threats that don't exist , like advanced fighters when no one has anything approaching what we do now. The US is spending more on defense then all other countries combined and part of the reason is defense spending is a form of government subsidy, too..not to mention the hundreds of bases we maintain that were built for a different era, but can't be closed because they are so important to the local economy.

-Some states get 30% of their spending on education from the feds (the average is 9%).

-The federal government picks up a lot more of the cost of roads and infrastructure in the red states then they do elsewhere, again others are in effect subsidizing these states.

-A lot of the so called 'red states' get a lot more back from the federal government then they send in, many of the states down south and out west get almost 2 bucks back for what they send in, whereas states in the Northeast and other relatively affluent states get back about 65c for every dollar they send it...yet what do you hear from these states? "The government is evil" "They are taking my money to use for others" and so forth.

One of the reasons we have the mess we are in is because when the government cut the federal taxes over the past 30 years but refused to cut spending, and the GOP was just as guilty as the Democrats, maybe more so. Note that when Ryan came up with his now famous plan, the GOP refused to even discuss cutting farm subsidies and defense spending, they refused to touch Ethanol and no one has talked about privatizing federal power facilities like the TVA or up in the northwest. No one wants to talk about the cost of medicare or seriously have talk about limits on it (something like 75% of medical costs come maintaining the month of life).

The real problem with the tea party types is they believe that the federal government can be cut because the budget is out of whack because of spending on social services and the like, that if we just got rid of all 'money spent on those people' we could balance the budget easily and really believe they get nothing from the government and it wouldn't affect them. I wonder if they realize what doing those kind of cuts when the economy is already in the shitter would do, take a look at Europe, where they have put in austerity budgets for much the same reason and their economies are slipping into recession.

Before we blame congress and the politicians, maybe we should look in the mirror and realize we, the people are part of the problem, that the tea party especially sells this view of things that is simplistic and is also fundamentally based on a lie, that we can gut the government and it will be okay for most of us, since the government 'doesn't do anything for us', 'we don't get anything' and so forth. We want to slash government but god forbid it affects something we demand or want from the government, then that becomes a 'needed' service or 'isn't welfare'. For years, Slade Gordon was the Senator from Washington State, and when people pointed out the huge subsidies his state got from the federal government via cheap power, his standard response was "that is different". As it said in Pogo, we have seen the enemy and it is us.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

there is a ton of fat to cut from the overpaid government workers. Walkers victory is showing that people are waking up and pissed off at these high taxes.

next, we must demand our money back and take control of the government pension system. after all, its not their money. give the pension money back to the rightful owner: TAX PAYERS

 

[NeverEndingMe]

oh the horror, of balancing the budget! not jacking up taxes! and the end of the obama bail outs and pay offs!