Okay, birthers, this is it...

[EllieTalbot]

I've never paid one iota of real attention to the whole debate about Barack Obama not being qualified for the Presidency because he wasn't born in America. There are a couple reasons for this:

1) If there was any solid proof he wasn't, we'd all know about it
2) Attacking him on that basis is ever so much easier than intelligently criticizing his policies. It's reminiscent of people who were against Bush's policies not because of the policies themselves, but because he orchestrated 9/11.

And yet, unlike the quickly choking "truthers," the "birther" dog has apparently not died yet.

And since I've not paid attention to it and am open to proof from either side, by all means, step right up. Make your case.

If there's proof that Barack Obama isn't qualified for the job he has because he wasn't born in the U.S., I'm here to be convinced. Go for it.

Skeptic in Schenectady,
Ellie

 

[Johnny_Ray_Wilson]

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=40883665&postcount=78

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Just so you'll know....

People have long forgotten that the question of whether Barack Obama was truly born within the United States was not the single defining issue of whether he was qualified to seek the office of President. Children of United States citizens born on foreign soil were still legally regarded as "natural born citizens" as long as one of the parents met a specific length of continuous residency subsequent to the child's birth. It turns out Obama's mother almost certainly did not meet that requirement.

He would have still had a clear path to citizenship as a child, but it would technically have been one of a naturalized citizen which would have been inadequate to qualify him for the office of President. Until just a few years ago, the legal status of one's citizenship was determined by the laws that were in effect at the time of your birth. Therefore, the only way to nullify the deficiency of his mother's residency requirement was to prove he, in fact, was born ON U. S. soil IN Hawaii.

Since Obama's election, both the residency requirement that had the odd effect of unintentionally discriminating against a particular age group of unwed, teenage mothers AND the law that bound a potentially wide variety of American citizens to a potentially equal variety of citizenship laws in effect at the time of their birth have been changed and streamlined to make Barack Obama a thoroughly legal occupant of the White House.

Whether that was the primary purpose of the immigration law changes is arguable, but the effect most certainly was not.

He now be legal.

 

[CHNOPS]

Just so you'll know....

People have long forgotten that the question of whether Barack Obama was truly born within the United States was not the single defining issue of whether he was qualified to seek the office of President. Children of United States citizens born on foreign soil were still legally regarded as "natural born citizens" as long as one of the parents met a specific length of continuous residency subsequent to the child's birth. It turns out Obama's mother almost certainly did not meet that requirement.

He would have still had a clear path to citizenship as a child, but it would technically have been one of a naturalized citizen which would have been inadequate to qualify him for the office of President. Until just a few years ago, the legal status of one's citizenship was determined by the laws that were in effect at the time of your birth. Therefore, the only way to nullify the deficiency of his mother's residency requirement was to prove he, in fact, was born ON U. S. soil IN Hawaii.

Since Obama's election, both the residency requirement that had the odd effect of unintentionally discriminating against a particular age group of unwed, teenage mothers AND the law that bound a potentially wide variety of American citizens to a potentially equal variety of citizenship laws in effect at the time of their birth have been changed and streamlined to make Barack Obama a thoroughly legal occupant of the White House.

Whether that was the primary purpose of the immigration law changes is arguable, but the effect most certainly was not.

He now be legal.

Jesus, Col. I hope this was intended to be a rhetorical exercise alone.

 

[KingOrfeo]

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=40883665&postcount=78

http://forum.literotica.com/showpost.php?p=40884184&postcount=85

 

[RoryN]

I can't believe Michael Jackson died.

(Oh wait...I thought it was 2009 for some reason.)

 

[KingOrfeo]

He would have still had a clear path to citizenship as a child, but it would technically have been one of a naturalized citizen which would have been inadequate to qualify him for the office of President. Until just a few years ago, the legal status of one's citizenship was determined by the laws that were in effect at the time of your birth. Therefore, the only way to nullify the deficiency of his mother's residency requirement was to prove he, in fact, was born ON U. S. soil IN Hawaii.

And white.

 

[mercury14]

And since I've not paid attention to it and am open to proof from either side, by all means, step right up. Make your case.

If there's proof that Barack Obama isn't qualified for the job he has because he wasn't born in the U.S., I'm here to be convinced. Go for it.

Skeptic in Schenectady,
Ellie

What do you mean either side? You think there are two sides in this?

I'm unconvinced and open to proof from either side as well. How do we know that both the long and short form birth certificates are real???

And I'm talking about President Ford, Bush, Obama, Millard Fillmore, and Ulysses S. Grant. How do we know their birth certificates aren't just elaborate hoaxes?

 

[DrBanger]

I don't believe where he is born has anything to do with his qualifications. I also don't think he helped his case waiting to disprove the people. Our constitution says you need to be born here in the US. Kissinger would have been a great President, better qualified than anyone at the time, but since he was not born in the US, he could not run for President.
Well, those are my thoughts, for what they are worth.

 

[Peregrinator]

Kissinger would have been a great President

!!!!!

 

[unregistered]

 

[bitofakate]

Just so you'll know....

People have long forgotten that the question of whether Barack Obama was truly born within the United States was not the single defining issue of whether he was qualified to seek the office of President. Children of United States citizens born on foreign soil were still legally regarded as "natural born citizens" as long as one of the parents met a specific length of continuous residency subsequent to the child's birth. It turns out Obama's mother almost certainly did not meet that requirement.

He would have still had a clear path to citizenship as a child, but it would technically have been one of a naturalized citizen which would have been inadequate to qualify him for the office of President. Until just a few years ago, the legal status of one's citizenship was determined by the laws that were in effect at the time of your birth. Therefore, the only way to nullify the deficiency of his mother's residency requirement was to prove he, in fact, was born ON U. S. soil IN Hawaii.

Since Obama's election, both the residency requirement that had the odd effect of unintentionally discriminating against a particular age group of unwed, teenage mothers AND the law that bound a potentially wide variety of American citizens to a potentially equal variety of citizenship laws in effect at the time of their birth have been changed and streamlined to make Barack Obama a thoroughly legal occupant of the White House.

Whether that was the primary purpose of the immigration law changes is arguable, but the effect most certainly was not.

He now be legal.

Unless he was legal prior to the clarifications the prohibition against ex post facto law applies to President Obama and the issue continues to be an issue for those to whom it is an issue. His eligibility would only cease to be a questionable issue upon re-election to the office in 2012 under the new laws.

Or are you indicating that a despot can simply declare his despotism legal with an executive order someday in the future?

The only certain thing is that we will never know the truth in this matter and I hope that we would sometime in the very near future (perhaps during the second Obama administration), promote a constitutional amendment for citizen equality by removing the 'natural born' clause and replace it with citizen of "?" years, allowing Soros or Arnold to run for the office.

 

[off2bed]

There's just as little proof he was born in the US as that he was born somewhere else. Think about that. All we have is the word of liars and a fake birth certificate as "evidence" he was born in Hawaii.

The big picture here is that we've all been lied to at some point or another about who he is and where he's from. Ask yourself why did people need to lie about his background?

 

[Peregrinator]

There's just as little proof he was born in the US as that he was born somewhere else. Think about that. All we have is the word of liars and a fake birth certificate as "evidence" he was born in Hawaii.

The big picture here is that we've all been lied to at some point or another about who he is and where he's from. Ask yourself why did people need to lie about his background?

You never fail to bring me the lawlz.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

There's just as little proof he was born in the US as that he was born somewhere else. Think about that. All we have is the word of liars and a fake birth certificate as "evidence" he was born in Hawaii.

The big picture here is that we've all been lied to at some point or another about who he is and where he's from. Ask yourself why did people need to lie about his background?

Good lord.. Talk about conspiracy nutjobs.

You never fail to bring me the lawlz.

I don't know Pereg, I don't think it's funny so much as sad that someone can actually have their head burried so far up their own ass as to believe any of that tripe.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...nt-1991-Born-in-Kenya-Raised-Indonesia-Hawaii



I think he's Dotriacontaroon Cherokee too...

 

[contrifan32]

... be careful what you ask for!

Remember who is second in the chain of command.

http://static01.mediaite.com/med/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/biden-face-7.jpg

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

"Barack Obama, the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review, was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii. The son of an American anthropologist and a Kenyan finance minister, he attended Columbia University and worked as a financial journalist and editor for Business International Corporation. He served as project coordinator in Harlem for the New York Public Interest Research Group, and was Executive Director of the Developing Communities Project in Chicago’s South Side. His commitment to social and racial issues will be evident in his first book, Journeys in Black and White."

Let us not forget, Amazon recently listed Dreams as being written by Ayers.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

"Barack Obama, the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review, was born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii. The son of an American anthropologist and a Kenyan finance minister, he attended Columbia University and worked as a financial journalist and editor for Business International Corporation. He served as project coordinator in Harlem for the New York Public Interest Research Group, and was Executive Director of the Developing Communities Project in Chicago’s South Side. His commitment to social and racial issues will be evident in his first book, Journeys in Black and White."

Let us not forget, Amazon recently listed Dreams as being written by Ayers.

Speaking of people suffering from cranial rectal inversion.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Speaking of people suffering from cranial rectal insertion.

Why is it in thread after thread that the only discussion offered by Democrats is how stupid everyone else is?


I think I know why.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Why is it in thread after thread that the only discussion offered by Democrats is how stupid everyone else is?


I think I know why.

It likely has something to do with "Conservatives" making stupid comments.
If you don't want to be called stupid then you might want to modify your behavior.
Just sayin'.

 

[miles]

Obama was never born. He's the creation of a Disney experiment gone horribly wrong. His last day of office Michele will peel back his face and show us the circuitry. Oreo will demand a link to prove it happened.

 

[miles]

Why is it in thread after thread that the only discussion offered by Democrats is how stupid everyone else is?


I think I know why.

Link?

 

[JohnnySavage]

The whole birther issue is just plain stupid, and people who keep harping on it are idiots.

Having said that, I do find it odd that we know so little about him prior to his entry into politics. In particular, we know virtually nothing about his academic record. I don't think his academic record is all that important, but the fact that it seems to be being kept a secret makes me wonder. For example, a requirement of receiving a JD is to write a thesis... where's BHO's? Why not just put all that information out there?

If someone is hiding something, it's because there's something to hide. At the end of the day though, his academic record is no more, and no less important than any other politician's.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Link?

Here ya go, stupid.

It's no coincidence that the least informed, most narrow-minded Litters are typically the ones who ask for a "cite" or scream "Link!" Their attitude seems to be "if I don't know about it, it doesn't exist."

Search engines are your friend. Laziness will make you stupid.