A Lot Of Talk about Obamacare. Do You Really Know What's In It?

[BusyAfternoon]

A Lot Of Talk about Obamacare. Do You Really Know What's In It?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HcBaSP31Be8

Update: THIS IS A GUIDE TO THE ORIGINAL HEALTHCARE BILL H.R. 3200. Yes the healthcare bill HR3962 passed. Now it's up to us to do all we can to repeal it!! This video is based on HR3200 but it is very closely related to HR3962 with the exception that HR3962 is deemed to be worse! If we don't get this bill thrown in the trash where it belongs we can expect to see much if not all of what this video shows us. THE PDF.OF THE BILL HR3200 NOTED AT THE END OF THE VIDEO IS NO LONGER VALID. HERE IS THE UPDATED LINK TO THE PDF. http://candicemiller.house.gov/pdf/hr3200.pdf
I am well aware of the typeo in this video, I apologize but It's too late to fix it now.

Healthcare is only a powerful stepping stone to their government takeover plan. Open your eyes America, they don't care what "we the people" want or need, they simply want control.
Aug. 2009
Original Bill (Video) :This is a point by point description (A guide not the actual reading of the bill!) of the Government Healthcare plan taken from the ACTUAL proposed bill H.R.3200http://candicemiller.house.gov/pdf/hr3200.pdf
Though not opposed to healthcare reform most Americans do not want this KIND of reform which is a dangerous UN-AMERICAN UNCONSTITUTIONAL We want reform that makes sense and that is helpful for all not a destructive death warrant for the unborn and the elderly. We want government to stay out of our personal life decisions period. This is America !!

 

[Bert Notorius]

Just how long have the libs been working on this tome? Decades?

 

[Sean Renaud]

I want the government in my health care.

 

[koalabear]

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[JohnnySavage]

If single payer is good enough for our troops, our veterans, our parents and our grandparents. It's good enough for me!

 

[BusyAfternoon]

If single payer is good enough for our troops, our veterans, our parents and our grandparents. It's good enough for me!

If you want to see what a Government run single payer looks like, take an objective visit to a Veteran's care center.

Individual Mandate is only a part of why we need to stop the implementation. This is a 10 minute Video, longer then most attention span requirements, but well worth the watch. It details concerns listing page number for further study if desired.

 

[JohnnySavage]

If you want to see what a Government run single payer looks like, take an objective visit to a Veteran's care center.

Individual Mandate is only a part of why we need to stop the implementation. This is a 10 minute Video, longer then most attention span requirements, but well worth the watch. It details concerns listing page number for further study if desired.

I have. Many, many times.

WASHINGTON, Jan. 20, 2006 – Veterans continued to rate the care they receive through the Department of Veterans Affairs health care system higher than other Americans rate private-sector health care for the sixth consecutive year, a new annual report on customer satisfaction reveals. link


Let's see your objective standard, if there is such a thing. Patient care is inherentlysubjective.

Personally, I'm in the individual market and my heath insurance costs me about $450/month with a $2,500/year deductible. That's nearly $8,000 a year before the insurance pays a dime. I'd pay $5,000 to join Medicare or the VA system.

The fact is, the majority of Americans are covered by a single-payer system, and those who complain the most about not wanting 'government control' of their healthcare are those sucking at the teet of their employer.

Take those health care costs off the backs of business and watch the economy flourish.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Johnny Savage has a good point.

If conservative activists on the Supreme Court opt to "legislate from the bench", refuse to follow precedent and decide to declare Obamacare "unconstitutional", then I propose that the government open up Medicare and Medicaid to anyone who wants to buy into it, for a nominal premium.

I wonder what problem conservatives would have with that? I know glibertarians are in favor of making people suffer for glibertarian ideological purity.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Johnny Savage has a good point.

If conservative activists on the Supreme Court opt to "legislate from the bench", refuse to follow precedent and decide to declare Obamacare "unconstitutional", then I propose that the government open up Medicare and Medicaid to anyone who wants to buy into it, for a nominal premium.

I wonder what problem conservatives would have with that? I know glibertarians are in favor of making people suffer for glibertarian ideological purity.

If I were King, I'd combine all the government programs... VA, CHIPS, Medicare, Medicaid, etc, into one system. Then base premiums on income. No more automatic enrollment in any program, just an income based premium system. I'd entertain a discussion as to status as well, i.e. Vets would get a discount because that's what they signed up for. But it seems silly that when you turn 65 you are automatically thrown into medicare even if you don't need/want it.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Further, how is a system based on employment an 'individual' choice? The true conservative position is that insurance should be controlled by the individual, not the employer. You should be able to work wherever you want, and keep your insurance. As it is now, if you change jobs, you change insurance, and in most cases doctors. Such a system argues against the position of the boards 'conservatives'.

But, they frequently trip over their talking points.

 

[mercury14]

Johnny Savage has a good point.

If conservative activists on the Supreme Court opt to "legislate from the bench", refuse to follow precedent and decide to declare Obamacare "unconstitutional", then I propose that the government open up Medicare and Medicaid to anyone who wants to buy into it, for a nominal premium.

I wonder what problem conservatives would have with that? I know glibertarians are in favor of making people suffer for glibertarian ideological purity.

Their argument quickly becomes... weird. After making their living deriding government programs as too wasteful and inefficient, suddenly government is far too efficient, too cost-effective for the private sector to compete against.

Johnny's post handled BA's post quite aptly I thought.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Their argument quickly becomes... weird. After making their living deriding government programs as too wasteful and inefficient, suddenly government is far too efficient, too cost-effective for the private sector to compete against.

Johnny's post handled BA's post quite aptly I thought.

I don't consider their position weird.

It's pretty basic: they WANT people to suffer.

 

[mercury14]

I don't consider their position weird.

It's pretty basic: they WANT people to suffer.

Nah, I don't think they want them to suffer unless they're gay or female.

They just don't care. If Republicans cared about health care they would have acted on it during the Bush era.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Nah, I don't think they want them to suffer unless they're gay or female.

They just don't care.

Conservatism's founding principle is that somehow, somewhere, a non-white and/or non-male is getting government money that would be better spent on white males.

 

[Wok]

I often wondered why medicare and medicaid was not "opened" instead of another system put in place.

 

[garbage can]

I often wondered why medicare and medicaid was not "opened" instead of another system put in place.

From what I understand many doctors will not accept medicaid patients.

Most medicare patients have supplemental insurance to help pay for what medicare does not pay.

 

[RobDownSouth]

From what I understand many doctors will not accept medicaid patients.

This is true, but largely irrelevant.

90% of all doctors are accepting new "cash" or "private insurance" patients.
74% of all doctors are accepting new Medicare patients.
53% of all doctors are accepting new Medicaid patients.
(unlike cowards such as VatAss, I always provide LINKS to back up my facts)

I'm relatively certain that if you were forced to make a choice between a LIMITED number of doctors vs. NOinsurance at all, you'd opt for the former.

Most medicare patients have supplemental insurance to help pay for what medicare does not pay.

This is also true, but again, largely irrelevant.

Medicare is not perfect. If you had a catastrophic illness....or even a non-catastrophic long term one...I believe even YOU would agree that SOME insurance is better than having NO insurance available to you.

 

[Scentofawoman]

After working in hospital administration and third party payor reimbursement for 11 years I can tell you this. The system is fucked. If people really understood the desicions made simply based on reimbursement of therapy would have a lot of people more outraged and ask for government intervention. A person that is sick chronically knows that government Medicare and or Medicaid is the best insurance to have.

 

[jet_nebula]

If single payer is good enough for our troops, our veterans, our parents and our grandparents. It's good enough for me!

Good point, Johnny. It's also good enough for Canada, U.K., Germany, Switzerland. etc, etc.

America might get a clue. Might..

 

[BusyAfternoon]

I have. Many, many times.

WASHINGTON, Jan. 20, 2006 – Veterans continued to rate the care they receive through the Department of Veterans Affairs health care system higher than other Americans rate private-sector health care for the sixth consecutive year, a new annual report on customer satisfaction reveals. link


Let's see your objective standard, if there is such a thing. Patient care is inherentlysubjective.

Personally, I'm in the individual market and my heath insurance costs me about $450/month with a $2,500/year deductible. That's nearly $8,000 a year before the insurance pays a dime. I'd pay $5,000 to join Medicare or the VA system.

The fact is, the majority of Americans are covered by a single-payer system, and those who complain the most about not wanting 'government control' of their healthcare are those sucking at the teet of their employer.

Take those health care costs off the backs of business and watch the economy flourish.

I was there in the early 80's and besides the roaches and rats the worst thing was that they broke your spirit. I was able to get private rehab and never looked back.

If you say that it's better now, God bless. It's owed.

 

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[RobDownSouth]

Many won't accept Medicare patients either.

3 out of 4 physicians will accept new Medicare patients, as I indicated in post #17 above, but hey don't me get in the way of your scare diatribe.

 

[unregistered]

 

[JohnnySavage]

3 out of 4 physicians will accept new Medicare patients, as I indicated in post #17 above, but hey don't me get in the way of your scare diatribe.

I have Blue Cross - probably half the doctors don't accept that insurance. Looks like Medicare is better than Blue Cross, using the logic of some on this board.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Doctors limit new Medicare patients


"Recent surveys by national and state medical societies have found more doctors limiting Medicare patients, partly because Congress has failed to stop an automatic 21% cut in payments that doctors already regard as too low. The cut went into effect Friday, even as the Senate approved a six-month reprieve. The House has approved a different bill.

• The American Academy of Family Physicians says 13% of respondents didn't participate in Medicare last year, up from 8% in 2008 and 6% in 2004.

• The American Osteopathic Association says 15% of its members don't participate in Medicare and 19% don't accept new Medicare patients. If the cut is not reversed, it says, the numbers will double.

• The American Medical Association says 17% of more than 9,000 doctors surveyed restrict the number of Medicare patients in their practice. Among primary care physicians, the rate is 31%.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-06-20-medicare_N.htm

So the overwhelming majority of physicians still accept Medicare patients, you scare diatribes notwithstanding.