Amazon back on another moral kick.

[lovecraft68]

For those of you who may not already know, Amazon is back on a kick of booting erotica, of course targeting pseudo incest/incest first.

Selena Kitt has had some kicked off as well as many others.

I will never understand this. Amazon sells how many thousands of these titles a month? Yet they will drop to their knees to suck the cock of the one consumer to complain.

Then again, I don;t know why there is an uproar on their forums as we speak. This is another pose. They will go through the motions and pull some books, they will start reviewing books and reject them for a time.

Then Selena and other big names like her will take a stand their forums will be full of censorship law discussions. Amazon will lose a lot in sales and a few weeks from now it will be anything goes again.

It also helps out all the other e-book sites by sending authors running their way. I just don't get it.

I also don't get the hyenas and jackals cackling over it being incest because it is so repulsive. Have they not figured out that when they are done with that they will move on to another category, then another after that?

I've only been paying attention to this stuff for the last year and this seems like the at least the third go around with this.

Sheer stupidity all around.

 

[manyeyedhydra]

The last time they banned some of her books, she marketed them as Banned on Amazon and sold tons on B & N.

What's being cracked down on this time? Just incest again?

Life would be so richer if we could easily ban the "Ban It!" bridgade.

 

[PrincessErin]

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[lovecraft68]

The last time they banned some of her books, she marketed them as Banned on Amazon and sold tons on B & N.

What's being cracked down on this time? Just incest again?

Life would be so richer if we could easily ban the "Ban It!" bridgade.

Incest again. It somehow seems to be the first one targeted. From what I saw drifting through some of the threads there it appears what started it was another "underage" book.

Amazon has somehow again equated pedophilia with consensual 18+ incest. They are targeting the "step" incest as well. But people are also complaining that other erotica books have been removed as well.

And get this, they are being removed from their kindle by Amazon who is not refunding them their money. Stealing no?

The thing is this shit sells like crazy over there! I created a different pen name than I have here and on smashwords and put up a couple of bdsm works and two incest (real incest) books.

in 2 weeks the two incest titles sold 75 copies each, and I'm a nobody over there. They are costing themselves tons in royalties over another phony stance.

And agreed on the ban it brigade. It really takes a certain type of asshole to decide that since you don't like something, no one else should get to enjoy it.

 

[lovecraft68]

Do NOT talk to me about Amazon.

Their rules are very strict and not consistent. If they are going to pull incest they need to pull ALL incest.

I was reading an article on MSN that said they are the biggest company and their sales figures are the top of all companies.

They have way too many books on Kindle to police so they pick and choose what they want to deal with.

Right, but calm down because this is a temporary thing. They are trying to look like they care about content and policing it for the time being. Soon they will grow weary of enforcing the rules, and losing a lot of sales and it will get back to anything goes again.

 

[sr71plt]

I checked with Selena Kitt. She said there has been no new round of Amazon banning any of her e-books.

 

[mynameisben]

Life would be so richer if we could easily ban the "Ban It!" bridgade.

You'd think that wouldn't even be necessary. The last truly successful "Ban It!" brigade, in a moment of introspection, vanished into a black hole in the blink of an eye.

 

[lovecraft68]

I checked with Selena Kitt. She said there has been no new round of Amazon banning any of her e-books.

That was not what was posted on a thread over there. Unless that person was misinformed. There was also someone saying one of her books went missing in their kindle

as for the ban itself type in Amazon incest and you will see an article dated last month that they are targeting it. There is also a thrad on Amazon's erotica forum saying that many authors books are vanishing and accounts are being blocked.

what is sickening is that according to this article what started this off was someone found an e-book there that featured sex between an 18 year old and a seventeen year old. Underage, but barely and they were not related. This has somehow led to an incest ban.

What is really disgusting is that Amazon claims they do not support erotica but there are tens of thousands of titles in their store and they have several forums to talk about it.

Grow up and install an adults only section in the kindle store. Make it so you need a password and login to get into it. Now all those innocent little kiddies can;t find it while mom is passed out drunk and should be watching them.

then like Lit, divided your adult section into categories so everything can be sold and no one can blunder into things they don;t like. Now amazon can still make the millions a year they make on erotica and stop pretending they don;t know its there.

 

[sr71plt]

As usual, you are wallowing in ignorance and "Chicken Little." When in doubt, ask the best source. I did.

I'm not disinterested. One of my books was banned in the earlier witch hunt too. It's selling just fine at Amazon now.

 

[R_Percival_Shackleford]

my honest belief is that amazon does this just to say "look morality police, we pulled a story about a dude screwing his 2nd second, leave us alone now." they know how profitable those stories are, and they are terribly inconsistent about banning them. its the only explanation.

i find it odd how there are moral objections to incest. royalty the world over thrived on GENERATIONS of incest. some of the greatest kings and queens in history were the result of incest! and more importantly... have they even seen the kind of fetishes that are allowed to be filmed/drawn and put on the internet? tentacles raping little girls is fucking legal in japan, and someone gets their panties in a bunch over perfectly normal sex that might result in an inbred baby if he doesnt pull out? oh how people love to delude themselves into believing they are righteous by scoffing derisively at the crazy shit that was done throughout history to allow them to even be in the position to mock it.

 

[colddiesel]

Lovecraft, maybe you should try harder not to make a complete ass of yourself.

Firstly, if you had checked you would have seen that Amazon had not done what you alleged.

Secondly, it's Amazon's site, they can do what they damn well please with it -- and I'm sure they will give your opinion the weight it so clearly warrants.

 

[amofiga]

I could never understand some of the censorship laws in this country, whether for printed material or film or certain TV. No, I don't condone putting stuff out in public view where it might bother some people, but where it's controlled through sale or monitored distribution, it should be up to the individual what he or she wants to read or view. I know it's a cliche, but what does it say about a society where we censor sexual literature and movies but allow the broadcast of brutal battle scenes of arms, legs, and heads being chopped off with blood spurting everywhere? The same thing, I suppose, about a society that allows millionaire CEO's and jocks to live high and pay a smaller percentage of taxes than teachers, police, or firefighters who provide a real service to society. We seem to love war but hate love. But that's just me.

 

[sr71plt]

What censorship laws for printed works? I'm not aware of any.

And what Amazon is doing isn't censorship (which is a government activity and/or a function of other regulatory entities). Product limitation is a product offering decision by a private business. Amazon doesn't sell ice cream cones either.

 

[manyeyedhydra]

That was not what was posted on a thread over there. Unless that person was misinformed. There was also someone saying one of her books went missing in their kindle

You missed the date on the amazon thread. It's referring to the original banning incident. Someone must have necro'ed it up.

Also, your constant harping against vampire and werewolf stories makes you look ridiculous and undermines your own defence. You might have a different username on the amazon forums but the posts are the same.

Playing the 'my kink isn't as bad as their kink' game plays right into the hands of the joyless bastards that want every kink removed. Personally I find incest a little skeevy, but I'm quite happy to fight for other people's right to read it because I recognise it as harmless fantasies written on a page, and I'm smart enough to know that once the joyless bastards have kicked it all off amazon they'll just turn their attentions to the next kink that meets with their disapproval.

 

[lovecraft68]

You missed the date on the amazon thread. It's referring to the original banning incident. Someone must have necro'ed it up.

Also, your constant harping against vampire and werewolf stories makes you look ridiculous and undermines your own defence. You might have a different username on the amazon forums but the posts are the same.

Playing the 'my kink isn't as bad as their kink' game plays right into the hands of the joyless bastards that want every kink removed. Personally I find incest a little skeevy, but I'm quite happy to fight for other people's right to read it because I recognise it as harmless fantasies written on a page, and I'm smart enough to know that once the joyless bastards have kicked it all off amazon they'll just turn their attentions to the next kink that meets with their disapproval.

My rants on non human are my opinion. I do not campaign to abolish it here or anywhere else. People can read write what they want.

and the "which kink is next" is a point I made over there. this goes past incest and even porn in general its about censorship in general

I did some looking at the ranking and tracked some sales using a site I found. The incest/psuedo incest over there is kicking the ass of most other erotica. That means Amazon is making a decent amount of money off of it. I think is smoke for now

I found an article on google that was dated 12/2010 same exact thing. cracking down on incest. I found one author that submitted 2 dozen incest stories in 2011, after they got lax again.

What gets me is I found out on a forum over there what started this round. Someone found a story containing sex between a 18 and 17 year old and they were not related. So okay underage sex(although barely) somehow this complaint launched a campaign against 18+ consensual incest.

The problem over there is a recurring theme in this country right now. One offended person can remove something from millions who enjoy it.

Up here in RI there is a big stink over a prayer banner in Cranston West High school. Thing has been there for years. This year one girl one has decided to make a name for herself by saying it offends her so take it down. the school said no. Little miss thing gets it taken to the feds. A federal judge says take it down it violates her rights> Her rights?

so now thousands of kids are saying what about our rights? we want it there! It will be interesting to see how this turns out.

Amazon stubbornly refuses to do the common sense thing of instating an adult section in their kindle store, one that you would need a password and login to access therefore making it so people don't stumble into it. They won;t do it.

They respond to the word "boycott" Maybe all the erotica authors and anyone that opposes censorship should threaten them with that.

Be that as it may, odds are this will most likely blow over and people will be posting whatever they want over there again soon enough until the next time.

 

[Pure]

note to lovey

the last US book censorship i heard of was the Fletcher (Red Rose) case, and her stories, sold to subscribers, were about adult/child sex.

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/28/us/28obscene.html?pagewanted=all

the choices of amazon as to its stock are an entirely different matter, which you
obscure below, in talking how one offended person can cause 'removal of something from millions who enjoy it.'

this did not happen at amazon, since the millions are NOT denied access to sleazy incest material per se, but only denied it at Amazon. lovey's effort is like a person who complains he's lost freedom when one particular restaurant--perhaps the most popular one in town, but not the only one--- would not serve him ( i.e., stock) pistachio ice cream.
A PRIVATE entity is making a commercial choice. Lovey, below, seems to be say, Why don't you have a special section for us, the beknighted lovers of pistachio ice cream.

OTOH, it's quite true that if some citizen complained about Ms Fletcher child, then that complainer HAS --perhaps rightly-- affected the situation for the niche of male customers desiring her child-sex works. Thats because a GOVERNMENT entity has charged and convicted her.

The RI prayer banner case Lovey cites, is of this latter type; a government body is taking action, and the Xians at Crandall, will not be allowed to see their prayer on the wall of the school auditorium . the decision, so to say, is that the non-xians have an overriding right NOT to see the xian prayer on that wall. (an analogy would be prayers in the classroom: the courts have held for the rights of non xians not to be exposed, in the classroom, to xian prayers (or any others).)


lovey said The problem over there is a recurring theme in this country right now. One offended person can remove something from millions who enjoy it.

Up here in RI there is a big stink over a prayer banner in Cranston West High school. Thing has been there for years. This year one girl one has decided to make a name for herself by saying it offends her so take it down. the school said no. Little miss thing gets it taken to the feds. A federal judge says take it down it violates her rights> Her rights?

so now thousands of kids are saying what about our rights? we want it there! It will be interesting to see how this turns out.

Amazon stubbornly refuses to do the common sense thing of instating an adult section in their kindle store, one that you would need a password and login to access therefore making it so people don't stumble into it. They won;t do it.