Why do you hate Obama?

[TexasWife25]

Just curious what tipped you from he's "just another democratic president"
to "the worst person on the planet"

I am sorta looking for specifics... as in "he did this" and I realized he was the anti-christ

not such much the "hes black and liberal" stuff ....

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I voted for Obama. I expected Obama to do something about employment and the Wall Street swindlers, and he spent the better part of his term saving the swindlers and unions and crony capitalists. I'm over him.

 

[TexasWife25]

I voted for Obama. I expected Obama to do something about employment and the Wall Street swindlers, and he spent the better part of his term saving the swindlers and unions and crony capitalists. I'm over him.

See I see people say things like that
a lot , make sweeping statements...

I was looking for more
"he signed this bill" or "he enacted this policy"

I will say
overall I'm not pleased with the presidents 1st term
I voted for him, I don't regret my vote, but only because I don't
think John McCain would have been a better choice...

 

[islandman]

I don't hate the President. I don't think he's worthy of my next vote for President given that in the midst of the worst economic conditions since the Great Depression, he chose instead to spend his political capital on ObamaCare rather than address structural issues with the country's economy and job-creation mechanism.

You know what provides health insurance to people at no cost to the taxpayer?

Jobs.

 

[TexasWife25]

I don't hate the President. I don't think he's worthy of my next vote for President given that in the midst of the worst economic conditions since the Great Depression, he chose instead to spend his political capital on ObamaCare rather than address structural issues with the country's economy and job-creation mechanism.

You know what provides health insurance to people at no cost to the taxpayer?

Jobs.

I agree
he shouldn't have tried to push healthcare.
He simply didn't have enough political clout for that
If Ted Kennedy couldn't do it, he shouldn't have tried.

I also think we desperately need health care reform

You know what the tax payers are bleeding out money on?
Uninsured emergency health services...

 

[jaF0]

"the worst person on the planet"

That spot will be held by Bush II for all eternity.

I don't hate O, but I wish he'd pulled all troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan within a few months instead of years.



And I don't like the Individual Mandate on insurance. I'm still hoping that will either be struck down or repealed.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

See I see people say things like that
a lot , make sweeping statements...

I was looking for more
"he signed this bill" or "he enacted this policy"

I will say
overall I'm not pleased with the presidents 1st term
I voted for him, I don't regret my vote, but only because I don't
think John McCain would have been a better choice...

A presidents job is to clear the way for prosperity, peace, and progress. Our early presidents pretty much did just that: Increased the area of America, created opportunities for Americans, and facilitated the commonwealth with the construction of ports, roads, canals, railroads, land sales, etc.

 

[islandman]

I agree
he shouldn't have tried to push healthcare.
He simply didn't have enough political clout for that
If Ted Kennedy couldn't do it, he shouldn't have tried.

I also think we desperately need health care reform

You know what the tax payers are bleeding out money on?
Uninsured emergency health services...

That's not quite the way I see it.

I think he had enough political "clout" to advance only one major policy initiative. There were greater issues to be addressed - the economy - at the time and had he addressed it with any significance, it would have had a beneficial impact on this secondary issue.

 

[TexasWife25]

That spot will be held by Bush II for all eternity.

I don't hate O, but I wish he'd pulled all troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan within a few months instead of years.



And I don't like the Individual Mandate on insurance. I'm still hoping that will either be struck down or repealed.

I cant agree on the troops
Only because if I were in his shoes, I would have taken the recommendations of the general on the ground too.

They said we had to wait it out, so we did :/
It sucks, but if he had pulled out earlier, there was just too much evidence it would have been horrible for that region.

As for the individual mandate...
Im not really sure how requiring someone to purchase health insurance is any different
then requiring someone to buy auto insurance...

 

[IGGY_Mcgee]

I voted for Obama. I expected Obama to do something about employment and the Wall Street swindlers, and he spent the better part of his term saving the swindlers and unions and crony capitalists. I'm over him.

Wok? Is that you?

 

[TexasWife25]

That's not quite the way I see it.

I think he had enough political "clout" to advance only one major policy initiative. There were greater issues to be addressed - the economy - at the time and had he addressed it with any significance, it would have had a beneficial impact on this secondary issue.

I can see why he pushed healthcare
It was a campagine promise and had it worked out
It would have been a big coup for him

But it was a mistake in the end...

 

[islandman]

I can see why he pushed healthcare
It was a campagine promise and had it worked out
It would have been a big coup for him

But it was a mistake in the end...

That makes him a bad manager. Personally, I also think he's a Pelosi lap-dog.

 

[TexasWife25]

That makes him a bad manager. Personally, I also think he's a Pelosi lap-dog.

I see his 1st term as more of
him trying to be the "democratic Regan"

allowing himself to be pushed around
by the rep. party as well as his own advisers...

I hope he grows a pair for his 2nd term.

 

[Peregrinator]

I cant agree on the troops
Only because if I were in his shoes, I would have taken the recommendations of the general on the ground too.

They said we had to wait it out, so we did :/
It sucks, but if he had pulled out earlier, there was just too much evidence it would have been horrible for that region.

As for the individual mandate...
Im not really sure how requiring someone to purchase health insurance is any different
then requiring someone to buy auto insurance...

Auto insurance is only required of those who wish to use roads.

Health insurance is required of those who wish to continue breathing.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Auto insurance is only required of those who wish to use roads.

Health insurance is required of those who wish to continue breathing.

We dont' repair your car if you don't have insurance.

The ER is open to anybody who can get there.

 

[TexasWife25]

Auto insurance is only required of those who wish to use roads.

Health insurance is required of those who wish to continue breathing.

lol
so you are for or against?

Unlike auto insurance
You cant really say

"I wont need this because I will never have an
emergency or illness that causes me to seek medical attention and costs the
taxpayers billions of dollars every year"

 

[jaF0]

As for the individual mandate...
Im not really sure how requiring someone to purchase health insurance is any different
then requiring someone to buy auto insurance...

Driving is a priviledge. Not everyone does and to do so, you have to be licensed. Not everyone who drives owns a car, but if you do, it has to be licensed and there are other obligations like insurance. Some states don't require insurance. Those that do have differing standards. The Federal Government does not require auto owners to have insurance.

We dont' repair your car if you don't have insurance.

Not true. You can pay the collision shop directly, or drive it unrepaired if it's still safe. Lots and lots of cars out there with dented body panels.

 

[TexasWife25]

Driving is a priviledge. Not everyone does and to do so, you have to be licensed. Not everyone who drives owns a car, but if you do, it has to be licensed and there are other obligations like insurance. Some states don't require insurance. Those that do have differing standards. The Federal Government does not require auto owners to have insurance.



Not true. You can pay the collision shop directly, or drive it unrepaired if it's still safe. Lots and lots of cars out there with dented body panels.

I see so your objection is that the federal government is regulating it and taking the power away from the state?

I can see that, however the states seem to be, for the most part, doing a piss poor job of keeping their health care costs down, and are burdening the federal government with it.

Also what states dont require you to have at least liability auto insurance? I didnt think there were any...
Yes, driving is a privilege, and you can opt out, and if you dont get full coverage on your car, you can drive it when its dented, and the burden is solely yours.

I think the difference is when you get sick, you cant opt out, no one will deny you treatment, and the burden falls to me, and every other tax paying American.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Not true. You can pay the collision shop directly, or drive it unrepaired if it's still safe. Lots and lots of cars out there with dented body panels.

Which doesn't involve tax dollars. The ER does.

I'm curious if driving a car would be considered a privelege or a right were we to write the Constitution today. I mean at the time that it was written the idea that the government would prevent you from riding a horse was so absurd they didn't waste ink saying the government won't.

 

[subwannabe]

Didn't vote for Obama last election. Not sure who I am voting for in the next election. I'm an independent. Just some notes from an unbiased viewpoint:

1. He's really sucked on the economy, but to be fair, he and Hillary both ran on a platform of healthcare and if he had not done it the liberals would have been mad at him for not keeping a campaign promise and it would have been used against him.

2. I'll give Obama some praise on national security. He was smarter than those anti-war liberals who seem to forget there is a war on terrorism. If we don't fight it then the terrorists will. They aren't going to quit just because we do. In fact, they will take it as a victory and press even harder to effect their anti-Israeli goals. Is Israel perfect? Of course not but if you look at the big picture worldwide, the good peace loving nations back Israel and the others want to wipe Israel off the map.

3. Even though Obamacare is probably going to personally help me out, I believe it is bad overall for the nation and employment in particular. I find it fascinating that the liberals pressed so hard for it saying how important it was and yet Princess Nancy got waivers for several companies in her district so they don't have to follow it. Unfortunately you can't pick and choose which parts you want, IE the mandate. The mandate is the glue that holds it all together. If it falls, the whole thing goes down.

4. The health insurance mandate is far different than auto insurance. Some have already pointed out some differences. First, you don't have to pay a penalty on your tax return if you don't have auto insurance. Auto insurance is not a federal mandate. Most Republicans are against a federal mandate. That's really their biggest gripe. Most are not opposed to the states having a mandate if they so choose. Even in states it is not a total mandate that drivers carry auto insurance. At least some states individuals can opt out and not pay auto insurance if they can prove they can pay damages on their own. For example, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, and Donald Trump do not have to pay auto insurance if they don't want to.

5. Obama has done what he could to get things done since the Republicans took over the House and the Democrats no longer have total control of the Senate. The Republicans have had a very "in your face, it's our way or the highway attitude". Obama can't really have any balls to figtht back with because, if he did, absolutely nothing would get done compared to the very little that is getting done now. He's smart enough to realize that.

Bottom line, both parties keep on making the same mistake over and over and over and neither ever figure out what the real majority of the country wants - moderation. Every time one side gets elected, even if it is just 51% - 49% they take it as a mandate to push through their far left or far right agendas and then next election the voters get mad and are forced to vote for the other side where it all starts all over again.

 

[islandman]

Once again, I do not hate Obama.

But I think his advisers have the imagination of a gnat to see $1.4T in retained earnings by U.S. companies held overseas and do nothing about bring some of that money home as a tax-free stimulus.

 

[TexasWife25]

Didn't vote for Obama last election. Not sure who I am voting for in the next election. I'm an independent. Just some notes from an unbiased viewpoint:

1. He's really sucked on the economy, but to be fair, he and Hillary both ran on a platform of healthcare and if he had not done it the liberals would have been mad at him for not keeping a campaign promise and it would have been used against him.

2. I'll give Obama some praise on national security. He was smarter than those anti-war liberals who seem to forget there is a war on terrorism. If we don't fight it then the terrorists will. They aren't going to quit just because we do. In fact, they will take it as a victory and press even harder to effect their anti-Israeli goals. Is Israel perfect? Of course not but if you look at the big picture worldwide, the good peace loving nations back Israel and the others want to wipe Israel off the map.

3. Even though Obamacare is probably going to personally help me out, I believe it is bad overall for the nation and employment in particular. I find it fascinating that the liberals pressed so hard for it saying how important it was and yet Princess Nancy got waivers for several companies in her district so they don't have to follow it. Unfortunately you can't pick and choose which parts you want, IE the mandate. The mandate is the glue that holds it all together. If it falls, the whole thing goes down.

4. The health insurance mandate is far different than auto insurance. Some have already pointed out some differences. First, you don't have to pay a penalty on your tax return if you don't have auto insurance. Auto insurance is not a federal mandate. Most Republicans are against a federal mandate. That's really their biggest gripe. Most are not opposed to the states having a mandate if they so choose. Even in states it is not a total mandate that drivers carry auto insurance. At least some states individuals can opt out and not pay auto insurance if they can prove they can pay damages on their own. For example, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, and Donald Trump do not have to pay auto insurance if they don't want to.

5. Obama has done what he could to get things done since the Republicans took over the House and the Democrats no longer have total control of the Senate. The Republicans have had a very "in your face, it's our way or the highway attitude". Obama can't really have any balls to figtht back with because, if he did, absolutely nothing would get done compared to the very little that is getting done now. He's smart enough to realize that.

Bottom line, both parties keep on making the same mistake over and over and over and neither ever figure out what the real majority of the country wants - moderation. Every time one side gets elected, even if it is just 51% - 49% they take it as a mandate to push through their far left or far right agendas and then next election the voters get mad and are forced to vote for the other side where it all starts all over again.

I thought you made several
articulate, well thought out points

but I can't really take anyone seriously when they call Nancy Pelosi "Princess Nancy"
It irritates me.

 

[jaF0]

I think the difference is when you get sick, you cant opt out, no one will deny you treatment, and the burden falls to me, and every other tax paying American.

Again, not true. You can choose not to be treated, or not to even go to a doctor.

Which doesn't involve tax dollars. The ER does.

In some cases yes, but not all. There are lots of privately funded facilities.

 

[subwannabe]

Apologies to you and Ms. Pelosi. I actually didn't like writing that but her attitude does really irritate me how hypocritical she is. She wants to jam Obamacare down everyone else's throats and defend accusations that Obamacare kills jobs, and then she turns around and gets several exemptions for businesses in her district. ARGHHHHHHHHHH!

 

[Peregrinator]

We dont' repair your car if you don't have insurance.

The ER is open to anybody who can get there.

What?

You can pay any auto shop in the world cash.

The ER is open, but the issue I was pointing out is that the fed requiring you to purchase insurance is something that affects every citizen. Auto insurance is a choice. Don't want it? Don't drive. Thumb, get rides, take public transport, whatever. There's no equivalent to that with the health insurance mandate.

lol
so you are for or against?

Unlike auto insurance
You cant really say

"I wont need this because I will never have an
emergency or illness that causes me to seek medical attention and costs the
taxpayers billions of dollars every year"

No one should be required by the federal government to purchase anything.