Born evil or with a diseased brain?

[DVS]

This means he simply has no concept of the harm he has caused. "Talking about his crimes, it's like asking him what he had for breakfast".

This world is full of different personalities. Most of us, unless we are among the unlucky few who happen to experience the indiscriminate violence of a stranger, aren't aware that such people exist.

But, because one aspect of some in this lifestyle is to enjoy being tied up and helpless at the hands of another, I think it's necessary to know that everybody's brain is not created the same. Some have more intelligence, some have more creativity and some have less emotion and empathy, which can put them into the category of evil.

The first sentence of this post is from the linked article. The article states that there are some people who are born with limited stimulation in certain areas of their brain. This is not uncommon and it assists in the development of human personality. But, when the limited stimulation occurs in a certain area of the brain that triggers emotion and empathy, the person's personality can become violent without any forewarning and show no remorse afterwards. As the person grows older, this behavior continues and they can become more violent because they have no conscience.

I've been a bit of a people watcher most of my life and have also been somewhat fascinated by how people act and react in certain areas. I think I'm more emotional than many men, but many of us have been trained not to react to things emotionally, because it isn't a manly thing to do. Crying for instance, is often seen as weak.

In high school, if you experienced an injury in sports, you were labeled a sissy or a pussy, if you cried. You were often told to "suck it up" or "walk it off" before even knowing how bad the injury was. To this day, I have a bone deformity in my left collarbone, because I was injured when I tackled someone larger than me during a game.

At the time, the adrenaline was stronger than any pain and I was proud of myself for getting right back into the thick of it, without mentioning anything about it. And while I survived, my shoulder 'cracks' and with age, it has caused me discomfort in my neck. Most of the time, it doesn't bother me that much. And I can usually manipulate it to where it doesn't cause a problem. But because I'm not exactly sure what is going on in there, sometimes I can't. Anyway, if I hadn't been brought up with the "suck it up" or "walk it off" mind set, maybe I wouldn't be experiencing what I am, today.

But, thankfully, we know more about things today than we did back in the stone age of my youth. And this is partly what the article examines. Are these people just evil or are they sick?

My intention isn't to examine if they are evil or sick, but to make people aware that there are those out there who will prey on the unsuspecting person and maybe cause them injury. These sociopaths and psychopaths are not uncommon in the BDSM community. The very nature of BDSM allows them to experience their fun and get away with it.

In some cases, their minds haven't developed enough that they show a total lack of empathy, but with repeated stimulation they learn what they can get away with and still stay within the BDSM mind set. Some sadists have a bit of sociopath in them, thriving on the infliction of pain and getting away with it. In time, they get more and more violent until we read about it in the news. No, not all sadists are like this. Especially not sexual sadists. But they are out there.

When we are kids, we begin to develop our personality. With our parent's genes we learn about things as we live. I remember childhood acquaintances who seemed to enjoy some things that made me sad at the time. Indiscriminate harming of animals, killing of bugs, and smashing ant hills. I remember one kid who enjoyed pouring gasoline on ant hills then, setting them ablaze.

In the past, doctors said doing things like this at a young age should be seen as the beginnings of a sociopath or psychopath. Back then, it was thought that these people could be rehabilitated into caring people. Today, it's often seen as someone who doesn't know any better, because his brain doesn't function in some area. It might not be possible to rehabilitate someone who's brain just doesn't function properly.

So, for whatever reason, these people can often advance into uncaring people who enjoy doing sick or evil things to others without a second thought for the other person's welfare. They aren't even concerned about getting caught. I just thought I'd link this article and let you be the judge for yourself.

Being a submissive is a difficult thing. I don't think I could ever allow someone to tie me up. Of course I'm sure some of that is because I have claustrophobia, but I don't think that's all it is. I'm not that trusting of someone until I know more about them. And even at that, it's difficult to say when you know someone well enough.

I know it's part of your desire to be tied up and at the mercy of someone for kinky sex. But maybe asking a few coy questions about someone's childhood would give you insight on how they are as an adult. Hunting is one thing, but the indiscriminate torture and killing of innocent creatures is another. Be aware and be safe, when you play with people.

 

[neci]

question for potential Dom:

have you ever maimed or tortured small animals?

 

[Loverskitten]

question for potential Dom:

have you ever maimed or tortured small animals?

I don't trust people who don't like animals (especially cats *cough*)

 

[BiBunny]

Sociopaths are sick. It doesn't excuse what they do, but they are sick. And they walk among us--in greater numbers than most would imagine. All sociopaths aren't serial killers or rapists or whatever. In fact, most of them aren't. They're law-abiding citizens who have no empathy and use people for their own ends.

And because they walk among us, we have to be careful. It's got nothing to do with being submissive, dominant, or otherwise. It's all about protecting yourself, not just from bodily harm, but from emotional harm as well.

 

[NordicOz]

Double Post

 

[NordicOz]

Sociopaths are sick. It doesn't excuse what they do, but they are sick. And they walk among us--in greater numbers than most would imagine. All sociopaths aren't serial killers or rapists or whatever. In fact, most of them aren't. They're law-abiding citizens who have no empathy and use people for their own ends.

And because they walk among us, we have to be careful. It's got nothing to do with being submissive, dominant, or otherwise. It's all about protecting yourself, not just from bodily harm, but from emotional harm as well.

Before I write my post, let me assure you BiBunny, I am in no way trying to have a go at you, I just want to get that clear.

But the bolded part of this post just really gets my goat. So many times I have heard this being said in regards to people who suffer form Anti-Social Personality Disorder and so many people just believe it to be true.

Which, while it is true, to an extent, it is just WAY to simplistic in it's description of a disorder that has so many degrees, alternate categories and sub-categories. that to use that broad generalized statement somewhat resembles the old grade 3 Biology Class ''Plants are green''.

Which as we know is somewhat true but there are also many different Domains/Kingdoms/Phylum/Class/Genus etc, that to say ''Plants are green'' though true to an extent, it doesn't go into nearly enough detail and skips over glaring deficiencies in the entire statement.

Look, I'm not going to go into detail at the moment, as it is 5 in the morning and I have an exam in 4 hours. Otherwise I would love to discuss this matter as it very personal to me and I am sick to death of these misconceptions and generalizations that people have. In this day and age, I thought that stereotyping people with mental illness was a way of the past.

Again, BiBunny, not having a go at you, just wanted to clear a few things up. I hope you don't take any offense at that is not my aim.

I don't trust people who don't like animals (especially cats *cough*)

when you say 'animals' what you really mean to say is 'the furry/feathered/possibly even scaly' kind of animals. Am I right?

 

[Stella_Omega]

...Which, while it is true, to an extent...

But it sounds so awful, doesn't it?

But in all my life, I've never met a person with low empathy levels who suffered from that. I have however, met plenty of people who have been made to suffer by someone else's lack of empathy. It's just about the most outwardly-directed of human capabilities.

 

[sweepthefloor]

Thank you for the article, I always knew someone out there was scanning the brains of the criminally insane. I prefer the word ill, or demented in describing the sociopath. Evil implies a choice, and I like to live in my little bubble where everyone is happy and sane.

The article fails to address what the treatment would be for these people with non-functioning areas of the brain.

I comprehend the relevance for safety and your intention. It’s important to me! I have a history of attracting empathy-less nut jobs of the world, and that is before I even mention the vulnerable positions I’d like to be in.

 

[BiBunny]

Before I write my post, let me assure you BiBunny, I am in no way trying to have a go at you, I just want to get that clear.

But the bolded part of this post just really gets my goat. So many times I have heard this being said in regards to people who suffer form Anti-Social Personality Disorder and so many people just believe it to be true.

Which, while it is true, to an extent, it is just WAY to simplistic in it's description of a disorder that has so many degrees, alternate categories and sub-categories. that to use that broad generalized statement somewhat resembles the old grade 3 Biology Class ''Plants are green''.

Which as we know is somewhat true but there are also many different Domains/Kingdoms/Phylum/Class/Genus etc, that to say ''Plants are green'' though true to an extent, it doesn't go into nearly enough detail and skips over glaring deficiencies in the entire statement.

Look, I'm not going to go into detail at the moment, as it is 5 in the morning and I have an exam in 4 hours. Otherwise I would love to discuss this matter as it very personal to me and I am sick to death of these misconceptions and generalizations that people have. In this day and age, I thought that stereotyping people with mental illness was a way of the past.

Again, BiBunny, not having a go at you, just wanted to clear a few things up. I hope you don't take any offense at that is not my aim.

when you say 'animals' what you really mean to say is 'the furry/feathered/possibly even scaly' kind of animals. Am I right?

I understand what you mean, but I just didn't want to quote the DSM here. It makes people's eyes glaze over when you start doing that kind of thing.

 

[sweepthefloor]

But it sounds so awful, doesn't it?

But in all my life, I've never met a person with low empathy levels who suffered from that. I have however, met plenty of people who have been made to suffer by someone else's lack of empathy. It's just about the most outwardly-directed of human capabilities.

Yes because if they truly lack empathy, they are not even aware of its existence so they can not possible be suffering.

 

[NordicOz]

I understand what you mean, but I just didn't want to quote the DSM here. It makes people's eyes glaze over when you start doing that kind of thing.

I will just say that while the DSM (especially the DSM-V) is great at defining the traits it does not go into any detail about 'learned personalities' (hence the Diagnostic part of it).

What people rarely hear of though are how people suffering personality disorders especially sociopathic or borderline, are conditioned to 'mimic' empathy. While they are not technically 'true' empathic feelings, they are still learned and can be distinguished between right or wrong by the individual by a who has experienced a 'decent' upbringing.

Much of a muchness though, sorry to derail the thread.

Carry on.

 

[NordicOz]

Yes because if they truly lack empathy, they are not even aware of its existence so they can not possible be suffering.

Just because they don't feel the emotional connection of empathy, they can still sense a disturbance and are extremely in tuned to this and as a result can form their own justifications and reasoning as to what it means and how it can be used for their own benefit if not immediately or for a later date. Or more commonly, use this to help them fit in with a society like 'regular' people.

Trust me, we know of all these emotions that people speak of, we just aren't constrained by the inner turmoil some people experience, does that make us worse people for that? NO. Because you wouldn't go around calling people with other mental illnesses bad people, it's just what/how we choose to use this lack of empathy that will determine if we are bad people or not.

Put it this way, a sociopath would make a brilliant judge, as they would not be clouded by emotion in the making of a decision no matter how 'hard' it would be to people who suffer through their own morality, letting emotions get the better of them. They would just weigh up that facts of the case and base their decisions on them alone.

However, they would make god awful counselors, well unless you want the typical scripted answer that most counselors are taught to use these days.

Either way, to say that we don't suffer, is just plain wrong. We just suffer in a way that 'regular' people can't understand.

 

[BiBunny]

If it makes you feel any better, NordicOz, you're far from being the only mentally interesting person here. I'm sorry we seem to have offended you. I can say for sure--both as a mentally interesting person and as a psych degree holder--that it wasn't my intention.

 

[Loverskitten]

when you say 'animals' what you really mean to say is 'the furry/feathered/possibly even scaly' kind of animals. Am I right?

Yes, and also the Muppet

 

[NordicOz]

If it makes you feel any better, NordicOz, you're far from being the only mentally interesting person here. I'm sorry we seem to have offended you. I can say for sure--both as a mentally interesting person and as a psych degree holder--that it wasn't my intention.

BiBunny, I wasn't offended, trust me on that...well not in a personal way at least. Maybe a little by the generalizations and stereotyping thrown about like it was the 1950's. But in hindsight, maybe I should just take a more tactful approach and ease up a little before jumping straight into the deep end.

PS: I just have to say that I am really liking that term 'mentally interesting' very much btw LOL

 

[NordicOz]

Yes, and also the Muppet

Oh but of course, How could I forget them???

 

[BiBunny]

BiBunny, I wasn't offended, trust me on that...well not in a personal way at least. Maybe a little by the generalizations and stereotyping thrown about like it was the 1950's. But in hindsight, maybe I should just take a more tactful approach and ease up a little before jumping straight into the deep end.

PS: I just have to say that I am really liking that term 'mentally interesting' very much btw LOL

I borrowed it from Jared at CrazyMeds.com. I love it, too.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Yes, and also the Muppet

I have always coveted his big iron collar and chain...

Also his ability to drum Buddy Rich into the ground.

 

[Aurantica]

question for potential Dom:

have you ever maimed or tortured small animals?

Have you ever heard of a thing called the Macdonald Triad? Its three behaviours common to sociopaths in childhood: bedwetting, firestarting/fascination with fire and, as you said, torturing small animals.
I'd consider casually bringing these things up with a person I think has some sort of problem before getting into a D/s relationship. Asking about bedwetting on a first meet might be a bit much, though. I'm sure it would also serve as an ego/overreaction test.