Minimum Wage & Union Wages: You Pay for them...

[rosco rathbone]

The entire premise here from the right is absurd. Unions are keeping corporations poor and unable to hire? American mega-companies have been raking in billions for years now. Many are making record profits with little or no hiring, despite some using union labor and others not. And they're not hiring.

They have plenty of cash expand and add jobs. Unions are not preventing them from hiring.

Generals are always fighting the last war...especially when they won before.

There's no wage price spiral, unions are like 7% penetration now, there's no inflation to speak of...yeah, it's just like the 70s...the conservative, I mean, the Johnny Reb...glory days.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Sniff some more glue, dude...

great, now he's gonna cry

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Unions create good jobs and fill communities with robust, high-spending households which create a ton of demand in local businesses. Union workers also aren't min-wage, no-benefit workers that go on welfare such as Medicaid. They tend to have secure retirement and will not be nearly as vulnerable to any cuts in Medicare in the future. Is that good?

wow you are a epic moron. how did you get to be so stupid, drugs? forgetting to open the garage door when "using" the car?

so what is the product union's create? over priced labor?

this is the best post ever! thank you for the laughs.

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

Not ignoring you. Lit slowed down and I didn't have time for the bits to get untangled and onto the screen.

What I'm doing is looking for a grass roots reaction from middle class tax payers who are tired of politics as usual from both major parties and the lunacy of the right wing tea bags.

I'm looking for middle class republicans who see through the propaganda created by the right wing power structure dilvered through the right wind media and the middle class dems who realiize their party is also bought and paid for. I'm lookig for a middle class party who is smart enough to not be manipulated by the media and who realizes that the super rich own this country and both parties.
I'm looking for a party who is smart enough to pay no attention to the man behind the curtain who pushes those bible, racial and gun control buttons that distract the middle class from voting voting for an ecomomic system that fucks them in the ass.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

and its "only the right wing propaganda" that we need to worry about?

if so, you sound like a 5 year old.

What I'm doing is looking for a grass roots reaction from middle class tax payers who are tired of politics as usual from both major parties and the lunacy of the right wing tea bags.

I'm looking for middle class republicans who see through the propaganda created by the right wing power structure dilvered through the right wind media and the middle class dems who realiize their party is also bought and paid for. I'm lookig for a middle class party who is smart enough to not be manipulated by the media and who realizes that the super rich own this country and both parties.
I'm looking for a party who is smart enough to pay no attention to the man behind the curtain who pushes those bible, racial and gun control buttons that distract the middle class from voting voting for an ecomomic system that fucks them in the ass.

 

[mercury14]

Congressman Ryan just said on Fox News Sunday that we should close corporate tax loopholes.

Edit: oops, he just said that federal income tax rates should be decreased in excess of the revenue increased from loopholes. Apparently Exxon's $46 million tax credit is too much burden.

 

[garbage can]

They didn't. They infact COULD NOT. If a union somehow brought down a company (which isn't actually possible) it deserved to be brought down.

BULLSHIT

How many companies have been brought down by the unions?

How many companies have outsourced to foreign countries because of the unions?

Unions with Cadillac health plans and Rolls Royce retirement benefits.

 

[Holly Delight]

What I'm doing is looking for a grass roots reaction from middle class tax payers who are tired of politics as usual from both major parties and the lunacy of the right wing tea bags.

I'm looking for middle class republicans who see through the propaganda created by the right wing power structure dilvered through the right wind media and the middle class dems who realiize their party is also bought and paid for. I'm lookig for a middle class party who is smart enough to not be manipulated by the media and who realizes that the super rich own this country and both parties.
I'm looking for a party who is smart enough to pay no attention to the man behind the curtain who pushes those bible, racial and gun control buttons that distract the middle class from voting voting for an ecomomic system that fucks them in the ass.

Start your own thread and bring up these issues there. This post is hiding here in a minimum wage and unions discussion.

 

[Sean Renaud]

BULLSHIT

How many companies have been brought down by the unions?

How many companies have outsourced to foreign countries because of the unions?

Unions with Cadillac health plans and Rolls Royce retirement benefits.

NONE.

No company can be brought down by unions.

Only greed can outsource business.

So the answer to you BS is NONE. Not a single one in the history of the world.

 

[garbage can]

Unions create good jobs and fill communities with robust, high-spending households which create a ton of demand in local businesses. Union workers also aren't min-wage, no-benefit workers that go on welfare such as Medicaid. They tend to have secure retirement and will not be nearly as vulnerable to any cuts in Medicare in the future. Is that good?

Yup, they retire at 55 nowadays.

"As previously posted, the reason for the decline in Union membership is that the companies they work for generally go bankrupt, hampered by high labor costs ..."

Why do you figure Boeing wants to move to SC?

 

[garbage can]

What I'm doing is looking for a grass roots reaction from middle class tax payers who are tired of politics as usual from both major parties and the lunacy of the right wing tea bags. .

In one short paragraph, can you define the lunacy???

 

[koalabear]

NONE.

No company can be brought down by unions.

Only greed can outsource business.

So the answer to you BS is NONE. Not a single one in the history of the world.

We look at the Federal Mediation and Conciliation (“FMCS”) records all the time in Ohio. They report the number of unionized companies and break it down by state. What we have found is that from 20 to 25 percent of union companies go out of business every three years!

The question is no longer will there be a private sector of unionized companies but only when the last unionized company will turn out the lights?


http://theohiolaborlawyers.wordpress.com/

 

[garbage can]

yeah, it's just like the 70s...the conservative, I mean, the Johnny Reb...glory days.

How can you talk like that while you're getting a blowjob???..............

 

[Holly Delight]

BULLSHIT

How many companies have been brought down by the unions?

How many companies have outsourced to foreign countries because of the unions?

Unions with Cadillac health plans and Rolls Royce retirement benefits.

Sometimes the jobs are not outsourced to other countries, but the factories move to other states. If the workers are not able to move with the job, it might as well be going overseas.

The company has x number of dollars to spend making a product to sell. If that number does not allow for a profit, they have to look for ways to decrease costs. If unions will not concede wages and benefits to keep jobs, then the company has no recourse but to find cheaper labor elsewhere. It's not that the companies are "brought down" - it's that they decide to stay in business---only spending their dollars on labor and materials elsewhere.

---(Not addressing this to Garby) So what is really "brought down" is all the jobs, right? Instead of continuing to work for $22 an hour with 75% of their benefits, the union workers are saying they want no job at all instead?

 

[garbage can]

Congressman Ryan just said on Fox News Sunday that we should close corporate tax loopholes.

Edit: oops, he just said that federal income tax rates should be decreased in excess of the revenue increased from loopholes. Apparently Exxon's $46 million tax credit is too much burden.

Did we forget GE's zero income tax.

Shit, I forgot, Jeffrey is Obama's buddy.

You think they play golf together? When Obama is not spearheading his pet projects

 

[garbage can]

Sometimes the jobs are not outsourced to other countries, but the factories move to other states. If the workers are not able to move with the job, it might as well be going overseas.

The company has x number of dollars to spend making a product to sell. If that number does not allow for a profit, they have to look for ways to decrease costs. If unions will not concede wages and benefits to keep jobs, then the company has no recourse but to find cheaper labor elsewhere. It's not that the companies are "brought down" - it's that they decide to stay in business---only spending their dollars on labor and materials elsewhere.

C'mon Holly, aren't we saying the same thing here.
I say "brought down" you say "outsourse = move".

---(Not addressing this to Garby) So what is really "brought down" is all the jobs, right? Instead of continuing to work for $22 an hour with 75% of their benefits, the union workers are saying they want no job at all instead?

That's how I see it.

 

[Joeybagadonuts]

In one short paragraph, can you define the lunacy???

I’m sure there are intelligent well meaning patriots in the Tea Party who genuinely believe that are doing the right thing by trying to cut spending but the lunacy of the party is defined by the racist signs many members carry. They are, from my observation middle class Americans who are stupid enough to buy into the right wing propaganda machine.

 

[Holly Delight]

C'mon Holly, aren't we saying the same thing here.
I say "brought down" you say "outsourse = move".

That's how I see it.

Hi Garby - My Lit connection has not been speedy lately. There were at least three posts in between my post and yours !!

Yes we are agreeing on the outsource and move.

I see brought down as different. The company is not brought down by having its product made elsewhere. The workers are what I see as brought down. The surrounding communities are also brought down.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Did we forget GE's zero income tax.

Shit, I forgot, Jeffrey is Obama's buddy.

You think they play golf together? When Obama is not spearheading his pet projects

don't talk like that, Merc will cry

 

[NeverEndingMe]

I’m sure there are intelligent well meaning patriots in the Tea Party who genuinely believe that are doing the right thing by trying to cut spending but the lunacy of the party is defined by the racist signs many members carry. They are, from my observation middle class Americans who are stupid enough to buy into the right wing propaganda machine.

drinking the obama juice again, isn't it a little early?

 

[Holly Delight]

But hey! Wait !!! Here's the answer !!

It's been here all along. How silly of us. The Department of Labor ! Yes !
Look at their mission statement. Hallelujah!

"To foster, promote, and develop the welfare of the wage earners, job seekers, and retirees of the United States; improve working conditions; advance opportunities for profitable employment; and assure work-related benefits and rights."

No need for unions! DoL has you covered !!
No need for union dues, your taxes pay for this already !!

<sarcasm, in case you missed it>

 

[NeverEndingMe]

union's are good for simple workers. by simple I mean mindless zombie workers

It's been here all along. How silly of us. The Department of Labor ! Yes !
Look at their mission statement. Hallelujah!

"To foster, promote, and develop the welfare of the wage earners, job seekers, and retirees of the United States; improve working conditions; advance opportunities for profitable employment; and assure work-related benefits and rights."

No need for unions! DoL has you covered !!
No need for union dues, your taxes pay for this already !!

<sarcasm, in case you missed it>

 

[markfifa0791]

we know that theTrove is a government worker. Merc/Sean is a wannabe government worker. what about yourself Mark, sounds like you are pro government and think union's are "good"

care to tell more about which is it?

I own my own business. I don't think the idea of unions are bad, but sometimes they are run poorly. I am pro-government in the sense that I think there should be one and I don't think taxes are in and of themselves bad, as long as they are used for necessary things and used well.

What gets me about posts like yours is that you are not even a civil person.

 

[markfifa0791]

but look at what you get for all those taxes. more government debt.

we must send obama to a 12 step program for his addiction to spending

Compare the spending of his administration and Bush's. See which is more. Then get back to me. Also, take into account the special circumstances under which his Presidency started, and that a large portion of the debt he has incurred was necessary spending to keep the economy from free-falling. And yes, I'm saying the stimulus was a good thing, and if there are any economists out there that disagree with that still, I'd love to hear what they have to say.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Let's. For starters how would UPS exist without government roads? If a different private company built roads and charged for them that would be a cost UPS would have to pass on to the consumer.

How would they exist without the internal combustion engine?



Fucking moron. Next time, bring a brain to the discussion.



Why don't you start yelling stuff about Sarah Palin and the Tea Party destroying the USPS; it's all the rage and currently in vogue with all the young dudes...

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