Minimum Wage & Union Wages: You Pay for them...

[rosco rathbone]

I didn't mean that the concept itself doesn't make sense to me, rather the application. But, thanks for the explanation.

You won't find too many good faith discussions here. Usually the basic terms can't even be agreed upon.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

What? Dude did you even graduate high school? That first...paragraph? could've been worded better by a below average middle schooler. Tell me something about socialism in a historical context, go ahead. I dare you. Educate me with something other than Obama juice.

1. I'm guessing you skipped the first definition because it didn't suit your needs.
2. You realize you defined socialism using a form of the word in the definition, moron.
2. That says nothing about pricing of goods.

we know that theTrove is a government worker. Merc/Sean is a wannabe government worker. what about yourself Mark, sounds like you are pro government and think union's are "good"

care to tell more about which is it?

 

[NeverEndingMe]

You won't find too many good faith discussions here. Usually the basic terms can't even be agreed upon.

we all should move to DC, as no one agrees on anything up there

 

[Sean Renaud]

we know that theTrove is a government worker. Merc/Sean is a wannabe government worker. what about yourself Mark, sounds like you are pro government and think union's are "good"

care to tell more about which is it?

Unions are AWESOME. They are capitalism at work and for the little guy, the only way you can not support unions is ify ou hate the middle class. It's THAT simple.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Unions are AWESOME. They are capitalism at work and for the little guy, the only way you can not support unions is ify ou hate the middle class. It's THAT simple.

highlight of your ignorance. thank you

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Unions are AWESOME. They are capitalism at work and for the little guy, the only way you can not support unions is ify ou hate the middle class. It's THAT simple.

god, can you imagine if Apple, Google, FB, or Microsoft were union workers? there would have been no dot com boom.

union's HATE technology

 

[Sean Renaud]

god, can you imagine if Apple, Google, FB, or Microsoft were union workers? there would have been no dot com boom.

union's HATE technology

Nope. The boom would have been exactly the same, perhaps faster as people who could afford to break off and form their own companies did so instead of the brilliant people would did start their own companies being bought out.

Do you understand competition or just hate freedom?

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Nope. The boom would have been exactly the same, perhaps faster as people who could afford to break off and form their own companies did so instead of the brilliant people would did start their own companies being bought out.

Do you understand competition or just hate freedom?

do you have a learning disability? clearly there is something wrong with you. no one can be that stupid

 

[koalabear]

Unions are AWESOME. They are capitalism at work and for the little guy, the only way you can not support unions is ify ou hate the middle class. It's THAT simple.

Unions are socialist in their structure.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Microsoft, Google, FB, Apple and the others, are partly successful because they are not unionized. if the were, we could guarantee those companies wouldn't be.

look at the work force, many are multi millionaires. why is that a bad thing? why do you have money, freedom, better/faster/less expensive?

Nope. The boom would have been exactly the same, perhaps faster as people who could afford to break off and form their own companies did so instead of the brilliant people would did start their own companies being bought out.

Do you understand competition or just hate freedom?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Unions are socialist in their structure.

Negative. They are capitalist in their structure. The basic value of capitalism is that people will purchase a good at whatever value the market sets. People gathering together to decide what price they will sell labor at doesn't change that fundamental. You're argument only holds if you're going to claim that two people cannot come together to form a capitalist decision but boards of directors and investors the world over would claim they aren't socialist.

Is it your opinion that investors are socialist?

 

[koalabear]

Negative. They are capitalist in their structure. The basic value of capitalism is that people will purchase a good at whatever value the market sets. People gathering together to decide what price they will sell labor at doesn't change that fundamental. You're argument only holds if you're going to claim that two people cannot come together to form a capitalist decision but boards of directors and investors the world over would claim they aren't socialist.

Is it your opinion that investors are socialist?

Unions are socialist in structure. You are an idiot.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Unions are socialist in structure. You are an idiot.

Searn needs to just say no to Crack!

 

[Sean Renaud]

Unions are socialist in structure. You are an idiot.

Explain. I made my case please explain why people gathering together to get a better deal is anything but capitalist.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Explain. I made my case please explain why people gathering together to get a better deal is anything but capitalist.

if you understood what business is, then you might see your faulty logic on the topic

till then, keep on going with that fucked up government logic

p.s. no wonder you were in the military, clearly you need someone to plan your day, tell you what to wear/do during the day

 

[Holly Delight]

...

Reasonable charges
Plus some little extras on the side!

Charge 'em for the lice, extra for the mice
Two percent for looking in the mirror twice
Here a little slice, there a little cut
Three percent for sleeping with the window shut
When it comes to fixing prices
There are a lot of tricks he knows
How it all increases, all them bits and pieces
Jesus! It's amazing how it grows!
Master of the House

This looks like my phone bill. It's really just $99 for the phones and services. Then they start adding on the taxes. Sure some are percentages, but others are per this or per that. Pretty soon the bill is over $120 ! And let's not get into the cable/satellite bill...

 

[NeverEndingMe]

This looks like my phone bill. It's really just $99 for the phones and services. Then they start adding on the taxes. Sure some are percentages, but others are per this or per that. Pretty soon the bill is over $120 ! And let's not get into the cable/satellite bill...

but look at what you get for all those taxes. more government debt.

we must send obama to a 12 step program for his addiction to spending

 

[koalabear]

Explain. I made my case please explain why people gathering together to get a better deal is anything but capitalist.

Read the commie manifesto some time.
Eighth Plank: Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies especially for agriculture. (First labor unions, known as federations, appeared in 1820. National Labor Union established 1866. American Federation of Labor established 1886. Interstate Commerce Act of 1887 placed railways under federal regulation. Department of Labor, 1913. Labor-management negotiations sanctioned under Railway Labor Act of 1926. Civil Works Administration, 1933. National Labor Relations Act of 1935, stated purpose to free inter-state commerce from disruptive strikes by eliminating the cause of the strike. Works Progress Administration 1935. Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938, mandated 40-hour work week and time-and-a-half for overtime, set "minimum wage" scale. Civil Rights Act of 1964, effectively the equal liability of all to labor.)

American Communists, Socialists and Liberals have worked very hard to pass federal legislation to implement the goals of this Plank of Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto. So called "industrial armies" in modern parlance are known as Unions. The collection by "force" of Union Dues, from the employees who are subject to Forced Unionism, has been devastating to the political process in America. Every Union without exception supports left wing candidates with both money and man-power. As to the concept of equal pay for all workers regardless of skill or productivity, this plank of the communist manifesto has been implemented both in Union shops and via the minimum wage. But the minimum wage law violates the rights of private parties to contract without interference and is another example of the numerous ways that liberals have worked to implement Marxism in our nation.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

what I find funny about all this bullshit talk about socialism, is how people like Sean think how socialism will be the fix the gap (between those that have and those that don't).

clearly in every socialist/communist country there is still the have and have-not's.

there is no equality or better distribution of wealth. however, pure communist countries fail and fall behind the others.

Read the commie manifesto some time.
Eighth Plank: Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies especially for agriculture. (First labor unions, known as federations, appeared in 1820. National Labor Union established 1866. American Federation of Labor established 1886. Interstate Commerce Act of 1887 placed railways under federal regulation. Department of Labor, 1913. Labor-management negotiations sanctioned under Railway Labor Act of 1926. Civil Works Administration, 1933. National Labor Relations Act of 1935, stated purpose to free inter-state commerce from disruptive strikes by eliminating the cause of the strike. Works Progress Administration 1935. Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938, mandated 40-hour work week and time-and-a-half for overtime, set "minimum wage" scale. Civil Rights Act of 1964, effectively the equal liability of all to labor.)

American Communists, Socialists and Liberals have worked very hard to pass federal legislation to implement the goals of this Plank of Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto. So called "industrial armies" in modern parlance are known as Unions. The collection by "force" of Union Dues, from the employees who are subject to Forced Unionism, has been devastating to the political process in America. Every Union without exception supports left wing candidates with both money and man-power. As to the concept of equal pay for all workers regardless of skill or productivity, this plank of the communist manifesto has been implemented both in Union shops and via the minimum wage. But the minimum wage law violates the rights of private parties to contract without interference and is another example of the numerous ways that liberals have worked to implement Marxism in our nation.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Read the commie manifesto some time.
Eighth Plank: Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies especially for agriculture. (First labor unions, known as federations, appeared in 1820. National Labor Union established 1866. American Federation of Labor established 1886. Interstate Commerce Act of 1887 placed railways under federal regulation. Department of Labor, 1913. Labor-management negotiations sanctioned under Railway Labor Act of 1926. Civil Works Administration, 1933. National Labor Relations Act of 1935, stated purpose to free inter-state commerce from disruptive strikes by eliminating the cause of the strike. Works Progress Administration 1935. Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938, mandated 40-hour work week and time-and-a-half for overtime, set "minimum wage" scale. Civil Rights Act of 1964, effectively the equal liability of all to labor.)

American Communists, Socialists and Liberals have worked very hard to pass federal legislation to implement the goals of this Plank of Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto. So called "industrial armies" in modern parlance are known as Unions. The collection by "force" of Union Dues, from the employees who are subject to Forced Unionism, has been devastating to the political process in America. Every Union without exception supports left wing candidates with both money and man-power. As to the concept of equal pay for all workers regardless of skill or productivity, this plank of the communist manifesto has been implemented both in Union shops and via the minimum wage. But the minimum wage law violates the rights of private parties to contract without interference and is another example of the numerous ways that liberals have worked to implement Marxism in our nation.

I've read the Manifesto. It's really isn't anti-capitalist by any rational standpoint. You're argument doesn't explain how, with the vague exception of forced union dues (but you can get a different job no? It's like taxes. Don't like them? Move.) how they aren't capitalist.

Hell even taxes are capitalist. The American government produces a product, the best product on earth. A unique product that everybody on earth wants. AMERICA. You don't like the cost GTFO.

 

[mercury14]

Read the commie manifesto some time.
Eighth Plank: Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies especially for agriculture. (First labor unions, known as federations, appeared in 1820. National Labor Union established 1866. American Federation of Labor established 1886. Interstate Commerce Act of 1887 placed railways under federal regulation. Department of Labor, 1913. Labor-management negotiations sanctioned under Railway Labor Act of 1926. Civil Works Administration, 1933. National Labor Relations Act of 1935, stated purpose to free inter-state commerce from disruptive strikes by eliminating the cause of the strike. Works Progress Administration 1935. Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938, mandated 40-hour work week and time-and-a-half for overtime, set "minimum wage" scale. Civil Rights Act of 1964, effectively the equal liability of all to labor.)

American Communists, Socialists and Liberals have worked very hard to pass federal legislation to implement the goals of this Plank of Karl Marx's Communist Manifesto. So called "industrial armies" in modern parlance are known as Unions. The collection by "force" of Union Dues, from the employees who are subject to Forced Unionism, has been devastating to the political process in America. Every Union without exception supports left wing candidates with both money and man-power. As to the concept of equal pay for all workers regardless of skill or productivity, this plank of the communist manifesto has been implemented both in Union shops and via the minimum wage. But the minimum wage law violates the rights of private parties to contract without interference and is another example of the numerous ways that liberals have worked to implement Marxism in our nation.

Oh so now socialism and communism are the same thing? Or you're just too stupid to know that there's a huge difference? Which is it?

 

[koalabear]

I've read the Manifesto. It's really isn't anti-capitalist by any rational standpoint. You're argument doesn't explain how, with the vague exception of forced union dues (but you can get a different job no? It's like taxes. Don't like them? Move.) how they aren't capitalist.

Hell even taxes are capitalist. The American government produces a product, the best product on earth. A unique product that everybody on earth wants. AMERICA. You don't like the cost GTFO.

Capitalists produce jobs, Unions don't. Except for the lifetime jobs of those on the International Union level.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Capitalists produce jobs, Unions don't. Except for the lifetime jobs of those on the International Union level.

Unions don't produce anything except higher wages.

Programmers don't produce jobs. Except for those making programs!

 

[mercury14]

Nope. The boom would have been exactly the same, perhaps faster as people who could afford to break off and form their own companies did so instead of the brilliant people would did start their own companies being bought out.

Do you understand competition or just hate freedom?

You also might want to mention to 10-cent Jen that Microsoft, Facebook, Google, and Apple were not .com boom companies. Microsoft and Apple had minimal internet presence at the time whole. Google was around, but was just a tiny privately-held company. Facebook didn't even roll around until 2004, long after the .com boom had ended.

 

[mercury14]

Capitalists produce jobs.

Wrong. The whole point of being a capitalist is to make a profit. Whether or not jobs are created in the process is immaterial.