About that Muslim Brotherhood...

[mercury14]

Tom Tancredo's take:

Obama's Islamic tilt in Egypt

Posted: February 12, 2011
1:00 am Eastern

"The difference between Jimmy Carter's mistakes in handling the 1979 revolution in Iran and Obama's handling of the 2011 revolution in Egypt is that Carter's team made mistakes out of ignorance and naiveté. Thirty-one years later, Obama's diplomatic team cannot claim naiveté in dealing with the Muslim Brotherhood and the radical Islamists. Obama is consciously supporting the Islamists in Egypt and facilitating their rise to power."

"Obama went to Cairo in 2009 to deliver his first speech on foreign soil, a speech that was billed as his "outreach to the Muslim world." Obama specifically requested that representatives of the Muslim Brotherhood be invited to the speech."

"What we need most is regime change in Washington, D.C."


http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=262489#ixzz1DoGQYVWA

You see, this is exactly what I mean when I say that Lit's righties are full of shit. Even when Obama does something right and there's a good outcome (read: the exact same outcome a Republican president would want), Obama screwed up.

 

[Beco]

You see, this is exactly what I mean when I say that Lit's righties are full of shit. Even when Obama does something right and there's a good outcome (read: the exact same outcome a Republican president would want), Obama screwed up.

What has Obama done right?

 

[Ishmael]

You see, this is exactly what I mean when I say that Lit's righties are full of shit. Even when Obama does something right and there's a good outcome (read: the exact same outcome a Republican president would want), Obama screwed up.

You see, you're an idiot. And so is Obama when it comes to international diplomacy.

Let's start with the fact that he had very little to do with the outcome, and he'll have even less to do with the future. And while his backroom mechanization may have desired this outcome, his inability to keep his mouth shut publicly did nothing more than muddy the waters. Add to that the apparent dichotomy of policy between State and the white house and you have a situation as to who the fuck is in control anyway? Compound that with the CIA's ignorance of the Muslim Brotherhood and you have the makings of a serious cluster fuck.

He's in WAY over his head.

Ishmael

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

For some reason, today, the protestors seem to still be unsatisfied...





Maybe they did not hear Barack Hussein's speech?

 

[miles]

For some reason, today, the protestors seem to still be unsatisfied...

The place is a shithole. They need a scapegoat, and fast.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

The place is a shithole. They need a scapegoat, and fast.

I smell pogrom in the morning...

 

[miles]

I smell pogrom in the morning...

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That's camel shit you smell.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

"In Egypt, they first came for the Copts and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Copt. Then they came for the Jews and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the Moderate Muslims. I didn't speak up because I was for "change." Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak up."
Barack Hussein Obama
Barack Hussein Obama lost the Middle East.

 

[Ishmael]

That's camel shit you smell.

The camels are starving, all the tourists left.

Ishmael

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

The camels are starving, all the tourists left.

Ishmael

Took some art with them...





Remember how hated Bush was for causing anarchy in Iraq and not protecting its national treasure with enough troops?

 

[Ishmael]

Took some art with them...





Remember how hated Bush was for causing anarchy in Iraq and not protecting its national treasure with enough troops?

Hey, we're talking about the camels here.

Ishmael

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

The camels are lowing and poor Barry sings...





DEMOCRACY!

Let them eat camel; we'll subsidize them with smart green GM cars...

Tales of the New Soviet

 

[Ishmael]

The camels are lowing and poor Barry sings...





DEMOCRACY!

Let them eat camel; we'll subsidize them with smart green GM cars...

Tales of the New Soviet

And solar panels on the pyramids, that'll work.

Ishmael

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

That's EXACTLY what we mean by shovel-ready project...

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

You stimulate Egypt and Peace (well, its religion) will run rampant across the Middle East...

 

[Ishmael]

That's EXACTLY what we mean by shovel-ready project...

A real "People Power Project."

Ishmael

 

[phrodeau]

Either there will be freedom in the Middle East, or there will be Israel.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

If we are witnessing the collapse of the Arab Culture, then there will be no Peace, Freedom and probably no Israel...

Interesting read:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/02/the_collapse_of_arab_civilizat.html

A more accurate understanding of events leads to the conclusion that Arab, not Muslim, civilization is in a state of collapse, and it just happens that most Arabs are Muslims. In this regard, the fall of the Western Roman Empire was a collapse of Western Europe and not a crisis of Christianity.

...

The Arabs ... are in a double state of decay that boggles the minds even of those who expected a hot summer of post-war decadence ... The [Arab] nation will be split between those who dance to the beat of scandal and defeat, and those who blow themselves up in what is turning into a deafening religious ritual.

...

The next question is, how could the world have missed an entire civilization collapsing before its eyes? The simple answer is that no one alive today has ever seen it happen before. Well within living memory we have seen empires collapse and nation-state failure has become a regular occurrence, but no one in the West has witnessed the collapse of a civilization since the Dark Ages. Civilizational collapses take a long time to unfold and are easy to miss in the welter of daily events.

...

At a time when western philosophers were actively wrestling with many questions of ontology (what is) and epistemology (how we know), the Arab Caliphs and their chosen scholars handled philosophical disputes as they always had: with charges of infidelity to scripture, and sentences of prison, exile, or death. Ibn Rushd disputed the dominant thinking of Al-Ghazali (1059-1111), and followed more in the tradition of Ibn Sina, an 11th century Persian Islamic philosopher. Yousif Fajr Raslan writes:

Set back by the blind resistance of the Caliph's scholars, Ibn Rushd turned to Greek philosophy where he found his ideal in Aristotle...He applied rational reasoning to theology, an approach that further stirred his colleagues against him and against philosophy as a whole, not to mention their particular hatred of Greek philosophers.

Ibn Rushd was banished, putting an effective end to any hope of philosophical renewal and introduction of historically based rationality into the Arab culture.

Various authors

 

[Beco]

Doesnt it depend on how you define, collapse?

 

[Peregrinator]

the CIA's ignorance of the Muslim Brotherhood

What sources does everyone else have that the CIA doesn't have?

 

[Sean]

What sources does everyone else have that the CIA doesn't have?

Why get involved when the rwcj are sucking each other's dicks and jerking off to a combination of evil brown people and Obama?

 

[Beco]

Why get involved when the rwcj are sucking each other's dicks and jerking off to a combination of evil brown people and Obama?

Make a comment in Egypt already.... what's your outlook?

 

[eyer]

The junta has disbanded parliment and suspended the constitution...

...that "freedom" ring sure didn't last long.

 

[KingOrfeo]

The junta has disbanded parliment and suspended the constitution...

...that "freedom" ring sure didn't last long.

Those were actually part of the mob's demands. Neither parliament nor constitution had any credibility.

 

[eyer]

Those were actually part of the mob's demands. Neither parliament nor constitution had any credibility.

But, the military is credible...right?

Who do you think has been running Egypt since...forever?

While buffons cry "freedom" and "democracy"...

...the mob is getting exactly what it deserves.

And the perfect scenerio for the next step...