About that Muslim Brotherhood...

[zipman]

It's you who are ignorant of the Muslim Brotherhood. It's appalling that you would blindly believe the liberal talking points that the Muslim Brotherhood is not a danger to Israel and the West.

The Muslim Brotherhood espouses the destruction of Israel and the wiping out of all of the Jews. THAT is a fact that is easily supported with the slightest bit of research.

You can deny the relation between Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood, however, their Charter specifically states: "The Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the wings of Muslim Brotherhood" quoting Hassan Al-Banna, a Nazi sympathizer who founded the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. Hamas grew out of the Muslim Brotherhood. There is no doubt that the Hamas views itself as a part of the Muslim Brotherhood, and vice versa.

Spin it however you may but that does not change, nor hide, the actual FACTS.

Where did I say that the Muslim Brotherhood wasn't a threat to Israel? They are as is just about every other Muslim group out there. What I don't think is that they are a threat to "the West."

Your basic position is to believe whatever they say that supports your position and denounce anything that they say as lies that opposes it. And you do so from a position of almost complete ignorance of the cultural, political and social dynamics of the area.

So keep C&Ping the same bullshit scare tactics that Glenn Beck uses. Sorry I don't scare as easily as you do.

 

[zipman]

The very same goal as die-hard Marxists.

And because both Marxists and radical Muslims are equally delusional, it doesn't matter how unlikely their success is. What matters is how hard they will try to achieve their goal, and that's the reality we must fight. The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.

LOL, I'll sleep much better tonight knowing you are walking the cyberwalls of our fortress, protecting our poor citizens from the evils lurking just outside the gates. When your not distracted by the porn here.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Cairo, Egypt (CNN) -- Keeping with the low-profile it has adopted in Egypt's uprising, the Muslim Brotherhood said Wednesday it wants to promote democracy but does not intend to field a candidate for president.

"The Muslim Brotherhood are not seeking power," Mohammed Morsi, a member of the group's media office, said at a Cairo news conference. "We want to participate, not to dominate. We will not have a presidential candidate, we want to participate and help, we are not seeking power."

--- rest of the story--- http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/02/09/egypt.muslim.brotherhood/index.html?hpt=C1

But how could that possibly be after all the articles posted about what a threat they are?

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I'm sorry, but how is it that to this day you still believe the neo-NAZI Bush lied about WMDs but the Muslim Brotherhood, steeped in NAZI tradition, is credible in its claims? Hitler merely "participated" until he was part of the government and then he took it over from within, the same way the Turkish branch of the Brotherhood has been slowly working to diminish the Army there...

... the same types of people, the Social Liberals and Fabian Socialists who never read Mein Kampf or Dreams obviously don't pay attention to the actual writings of the Brotherhood. Amazing, simply amazing, and a tad bit scary too.

I think we see another victim of the Passover Syndrome.

See me! Hear me! Touch me! Fear me!

Right before you, I sell the slogan,
Gazing at you, I speak no truth,
Following me, you get excited,
Listening to me, you get so fearful...

I have got you, right where I want you!
I have got you, feeling with me,
I can take you, and make you follow,
I can take you, for all you're worth!

__________________

How about the strict separation of english and stupidity?

Ordinality isn't a word.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

The funny thing is, after a decade here at Lit of listening to (reading) the Left rail against the Christian Right who wants to force their morality on us, who hate gays, and who want to tell a woman what to do with our body, we now seem to be overlooking all that in the enemy of our enemy and probably thinking, well, like us they're enlightened, and once they gain some measure of power and self-respect, they'll self-moderate and become more like us, because Islam has a long tradition of scholarship, tolerance and diversity, unlike Christianity...

 

[vrosej10]

The funny thing is, after a decade here at Lit of listening to (reading) the Left rail against the Christian Right who wants to force their morality on us, who hate gays, and who want to tell a woman what to do with our body, we now seem to be overlooking all that in the enemy of our enemy and probably thinking, well, like us they're enlightened, and once they gain some measure of power and self-respect, they'll self-moderate and become more like us, because Islam has a long tradition of scholarship, tolerance and diversity, unlike Christianity...

In this case, I think Egypt has a right to manage its internal politics without external intervention. Tolerance is a trait that in general leads to more harmonious existence for all. I disagree strongly with the Islamic extremist views on women but I don't live in their country. Christians are the extremist nutterbutters we have here, thusly we should be concentrating on the shit that is going on in our own backyards first. Their are plenty of white males living in both our countries and lurking on this board who would condemn the treatment of women in Islamic countries whilst harbouring misogynistic belief systems.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

In this case, I think Egypt has a right to manage its internal politics without external intervention. Tolerance is a trait that in general leads to more harmonious existence for all. I disagree strongly with the Islamic extremist views on women but I don't live in their country. Christians are the extremist nutterbutters we have here, thusly we should be concentrating on the shit that is going on in our own backyards first. Their are plenty of white males living in both our countries and lurking on this board who would condemn the treatment of women in Islamic countries whilst harbouring misogynistic belief systems.

It is. It has made all the concessions possible and is moving in a dignified manner to change. The Brotherhood still has to fly low because the army will hunt them down and kill them if they don't make the right noises, noises, which just by happen-stance sound like sweet music to the tone-deaf Left. Our problem is that Obama has been haplessly trying to sell himself as the vanguard of change with wet finger in the air of his Cairo speech trying to guess which stand today will make him look like a genius tomorrow as the spiritual leader of the mob instead of focusing on the myriad social problems that would arise under his (wavering with the wind) quick-change demands.

Google 'COPT CHRISTIANS in Egypt' and see what the humble religion of Peace has been up to as we celebrate the "non-Islamic" "Democracy" movement...

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

From reading this post, I can't tell what it is you think our policy should be (even if one assumes the U.S. has any say here, which it really doesn't). I thought you were in favor of suing for peace in Afghanistan (which would mean tolerating the Taliban at the very least), and Lord knows you favored Bush's democracy-for-the-Iraqis policy.

And as far as ElBaradei calling Israel "the number one nuclear threat to the Middle East"...er, isn't that true by definition? It's the same thing as calling the U.S. the number one nuclear threat to North America.

Our policy should be to offer Mubarek our expertise and experience in establishing a new Constitution and government letting all parties know that his time has come, but an orderly transition is in "order." ElBaradei is a rank opportunist and amateur hoping for power, but closer to a bullet in the head than he may realize because he's full of himself.

We're never going to finish our Taliban genocide; Obama is an idiot, he sees them as one with al Qaeda, they are not, that's more likely the Brotherhood. The Taliban will leave us with our brains blown out on Afghanistan's plain.



There's a huge difference to being the number one nuclear power and the number one nuclear threat which would actually be Iran and its proxies. Maybe even the Brotherhood...

February 2

 

[vrosej10]

It is. It has made all the concessions possible and is moving in a dignified manner to change. The Brotherhood still has to fly low because the army will hunt them down and kill them if they don't make the right noises, noises, which just by happen-stance sound like sweet music to the tone-deaf Left. Our problem is that Obama has been haplessly trying to sell himself as the vanguard of change with wet finger in the air of his Cairo speech trying to guess which stand today will make him look like a genius tomorrow as the spiritual leader of the mob instead of focusing on the myriad social problems that would arise under his (wavering with the wind) quick-change demands.

Google 'COPT CHRISTIANS in Egypt' and see what the humble religion of Peace has been up to as we celebrate the "non-Islamic" "Democracy" movement...

I know a lot about the Coptic sitch and it sucks (hubby for some reason is deeply interested in them). Obama should stay out of the Egypt thing. It's not really his business and he's got bigger problems at home.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

And Mubarek has agreed to a peaceful and orderly change in power in September along with changes in the Constitution and the army backs him. This is how it should be and how our government should have, and still could, reacted.




But our government got caught with its big-boy pants down and has yet to pull them back up over its pampers...

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

I know a lot about the Coptic sitch and it sucks (hubby for some reason is deeply interested in them). Obama should stay out of the Egypt thing. It's not really his business and he's got bigger problems at home.

He can't. His ego tells him he's meant for greater things than merely being the President of the United States.

I outlined already how he should have stayed out of it, stayed loyal to an ally, and given the people of Egypt, and the region, hope for a better tomorrow, but he had to be seen as being at the forefront of "Change."

He LOVES the word, CHANGE!

We wants his "Berlin Wall" moment, at any cost...

 

[vrosej10]

He can't. His ego tells him he's meant for greater things than merely being the President of the United States.

I outlined already how he should have stayed out of it, stayed loyal to an ally, and given the people of Egypt, and the region, hope for a better tomorrow, but he had to be seen as being at the forefront of "Change."

He LOVES the word, CHANGE!

We wants his "Berlin Wall" moment, at any cost...

This one of the problems with US policy. You lot are always meddling but not doing it well. You either need to stay completely out of shit or go in an take over completely. And you can't pick and choose. If you gunna go all in, you have to get into every battle. The US should be ashamed that they never got involved in the Rwandan genocide. Bosnia, well that was white people wasn't it and Rwanda has no oil, so no reason to be involved there...This middly ground stuff doesn't work.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

This one of the problems with US policy. You lot are always meddling but not doing it well. You either need to stay completely out of shit or go in an take over completely. And you can't pick and choose. If you gunna go all in, you have to get into every battle. The US should be ashamed that they never got involved in the Rwandan genocide. Bosnia, well that was white people wasn't it and Rwanda has no oil, so no reason to be involved there...This middly ground stuff doesn't work.

Our meddling has kept Egypt out of "Palestine" for thirty years...

What's better? to fail at stopping a Holocaust in its entirety, or to sit out on a sandy beach with a better you than me attitude?

I'm not my brother's keeper and I don't do charity, but I am great at driving from the back seat...

 

[vrosej10]

Our meddling has kept Egypt out of "Palestine" for thirty years...

What's better? to fail at stopping a Holocaust in its entirety, or to sit out on a sandy beach with a better you than me attitude?

I'm not my brother's keeper and I don't do charity, but I am great at driving from the back seat...

How much fun is it having a backseat driver. The half arse meddling going on currently is self serving only and doesn't help in the long term. You lot have either got to decide to be the boss of everything or stay out of it. And in Rwanda, you didn't even try to stop the holocaust there. This has done the US no favours on the international scene.

 

[Ishmael]

It's kind of sad that the two most prominent characteristics of your posts are arrogance and fear. You view the entire world through that lens and it would serve you well to get a new pair of glasses.

So we agree that there is no chance of a latter day Caliphate. That was the point of my post. Well, that and the fact that fear seems to guide a lot of the so called critical thinking and analysis on the right. But mainly that the concept of a modern day Caliphate would be extremely difficult because of a variety of factors including some you mentioned, such as the persian/arab issues and tribal aspect. There is also another reason which is the inherent differences between sunnis and shiites. That's one of the main reason I'm not up in arms about their goals.

They hate each other and disagree on a lot more than they agree on. If the west could just get out of the way, they would go back to fighting amongst themselves again. Then there is the effect of technology and progress on the muslim world which has profoundly changed and will continue to change the cultural dynamics there. The effect of what has been happening in Tunisia and Egypt can't be underestimated. They want a better way of life more than anything else. They are getting tired of being oppressed and are rising up and the governments are losing their ability to control the flow of information as they had in the past.

Lastly, While I didn't address their goal of world domination of Islam, while populous as a religion, they lack the military ability to do anything about it. Iran is one of the few countries that even has a semi-respectable military. It's just not realistic nor worth the time to be afraid of it.

Soooo, 'arrogance and ignorance' is the new meme you're marching to? Afterall, if it's working with Palin, why not with Ishmael? *chuckle*

Technologies "profound" effect on the Muslim world has done nothing more than point out how terribly backwards they are. How they have failed to progress as a cultural mass. And they are backwards due to their own systems put in place by their religious beliefs. And the ultimate irony is that they blame the western world for their self-inflicted problems. From the 13th century to the 18th century they had their world virtually to themselves and while western civilization experienced an explosion of science and the arts, what was going on in the lands of Islam? --------- Nothing, absolutely nothing. They are still yapping about the Crusades for crying out loud, blaming everyone for their problems but themselves. Unfortunately there are more than a few guilt ridden westerners that have bought into their line of shit.

Quite frankly I'd like nothing more than to isolate them from the rest of the world and let them go back to sacking each others cities in the name of Allah. Unfortunately the fact that they sit astride some major trade routes and are squatting on a sea of oil makes that alternative a virtual impossibility.

I challenge you to offer up one major aspect of Islamic culture you would like to see imposed on western civilization. Just one positive benefit.

Ishmael

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

How much fun is it having a backseat driver. The half arse meddling going on currently is self serving only and doesn't help in the long term. You lot have either got to decide to be the boss of everything or stay out of it. And in Rwanda, you didn't even try to stop the holocaust there. This has done the US no favours on the international scene.

See, on one hand you blast for meddling, and then turn around and condemn for not...

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

...
I challenge you to offer up one major aspect of Islamic culture you would like to see imposed on western civilization. Just one positive benefit.

Ishmael

They tend to displace those damned conservative Christians...



Then there's ALGEBRA!

... Charity, they really believe in the redistribution of wealth and have a real hatred of greedy Capitalism, that would be a major improvement in our condition! We'd stop stealing the world's resources and give then all back to their rightful owners...



.. and the poetry Ish, the poetry is as beautiful as the language and the daily calls to prayer, we could really learn so much, look at Texas, taking Obama's alms and trying to lead the way for the rest of us to Paradise here on earth...

 

[MeeMie]

It certainly will not include their toilet etiquette.

 

[overthebow]

What Republicans can't admit is that Obama has succeeded in helping bring democracy to the Arab world where President George W. Bush failed. And he did so not by launching another long, bloody and costly war, but by supporting the aspirations of the Egyptian people, who used Facebook, Twitter and cell phones, not guns, to overthrow their government without firing a shot.

http://readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=284300

 

[unregistered]

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Think of it, instead of Marty Robbins, the morning prayer caller, over El Paso everyday.

Okay, I laughed...

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

http://readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=284300

That's funny, in a Westborough sort of way...



Show me some gays in Iran!
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

 

[jeninflorida]

Your reading assignment http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1235

Still think the protests in Egypt are about freedom and democracy?

I see, radical islam taking hold in Eqypt

 

[zipman]

I'm sorry, but how is it that to this day you still believe the neo-NAZI Bush lied about WMDs but the Muslim Brotherhood, steeped in NAZI tradition, is credible in its claims? Hitler merely "participated" until he was part of the government and then he took it over from within, the same way the Turkish branch of the Brotherhood has been slowly working to diminish the Army there...

... the same types of people, the Social Liberals and Fabian Socialists who never read Mein Kampf or Dreams obviously don't pay attention to the actual writings of the Brotherhood. Amazing, simply amazing, and a tad bit scary too.

I think we see another victim of the Passover Syndrome.

See me! Hear me! Touch me! Fear me!

Right before you, I sell the slogan,
Gazing at you, I speak no truth,
Following me, you get excited,
Listening to me, you get so fearful...

I have got you, right where I want you!
I have got you, feeling with me,
I can take you, and make you follow,
I can take you, for all you're worth!

__________________

I never called Bush a neo-Nazi nor did I ever inisuate that he was. Answer me one question, what gives the US the right to determine who gets to participate in the governments of other nations.

As for your continued use of ad hominem, do you really think it bothers me that you keep posting the "ordinality quote." You make yourself look like a hypocritcal moron by doing so. It's actually funny because you're too blinded by your hate to even see it.

 

[zipman]

This one of the problems with US policy. You lot are always meddling but not doing it well. You either need to stay completely out of shit or go in an take over completely. And you can't pick and choose. If you gunna go all in, you have to get into every battle. The US should be ashamed that they never got involved in the Rwandan genocide. Bosnia, well that was white people wasn't it and Rwanda has no oil, so no reason to be involved there...This middly ground stuff doesn't work.

Actually the world should ashamed of it. What country are you from and what actions did they take to stop it?

 

[zipman]

Soooo, 'arrogance and ignorance' is the new meme you're marching to? Afterall, if it's working with Palin, why not with Ishmael? *chuckle*

Technologies "profound" effect on the Muslim world has done nothing more than point out how terribly backwards they are. How they have failed to progress as a cultural mass. And they are backwards due to their own systems put in place by their religious beliefs. And the ultimate irony is that they blame the western world for their self-inflicted problems. From the 13th century to the 18th century they had their world virtually to themselves and while western civilization experienced an explosion of science and the arts, what was going on in the lands of Islam? --------- Nothing, absolutely nothing. They are still yapping about the Crusades for crying out loud, blaming everyone for their problems but themselves. Unfortunately there are more than a few guilt ridden westerners that have bought into their line of shit.

Quite frankly I'd like nothing more than to isolate them from the rest of the world and let them go back to sacking each others cities in the name of Allah. Unfortunately the fact that they sit astride some major trade routes and are squatting on a sea of oil makes that alternative a virtual impossibility.

I challenge you to offer up one major aspect of Islamic culture you would like to see imposed on western civilization. Just one positive benefit.

Ishmael

Perhaps if you weren't so arrogant and ignorant, you would have responded to my post instead of challenging me to prove something I've never asserted.

Moron.