About that Muslim Brotherhood...

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

That's only a few misguided extremists who hate gays and women.

One or two over on the fringe, they're mostly all about peace, tolerance, diversity and inclusiveness...



If these are your Copts, why do they flee?

 

[off2bed]

Heck, at least the Muzzies don't kill sharks and dolphins. I guess that's why the libz love them so much.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

They're focused like a laser on saving the Polar Bears...

 

[off2bed]

They're focused like a laser on saving the Polar Bears...

Like a shark with a frickin' laser beam...

 

[zipman]

one times anything is one.

I'm sorry, did you say something?

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

They are ready. Even as a technically outlawed organization, the Brotherhood has become the leading opposition group in the assembly. If there is a quick transition, meaning popular elections and a new government, the Brotherhood is certain to improve its position. In all likelihood, it will not be a majority party, but it will have enough of a plurality to exercise enormous influence over the levers of power and perhaps to decide who wields them.

The new Egyptian government would be more Islamist, more anti-American, and more hostile to Israel. How much the tide would turn from Mubarak’s pro-Western tilt would depend on the military, the upper ranks of which will not want to return to a state of war with Israel, regardless of the Muslim Brotherhood’s desires and the unpopularity of Israel among the broader Egyptian population. As I’ve argued previously, while the military is the most stable institution in Egypt, we should be careful not to overrate its promise as a bulwark against the Islamist advance.

The question in Egypt is not what happens at noon tomorrow but what happens, incrementally, over the next several years. While some analysts look at Iran 1979 as their guide, mine is present-day Turkey.

There, by law, the military is the guarantor of Atatürk’s secular Muslim society. Like Egypt’s armed forces, Turkey’s military is highly professional — indeed, it is still (nominally) a NATO ally and until recently had strong ties to the Israeli defense forces. Yet now, after 80 years, Turkey is back in the Islamist fold and overtly hostile to Israel.

This did not happen overnight. The Justice and Development Party (AKP), a disciplined, well-organized Islamist faction with close ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, managed to squeeze into power in 2002, even though it was a minority opposed by millions of pro-Western, secular Muslims. It increased its popularity by foreswearing any intention to impose sharia, avoiding the taint of financial corruption, adopting responsible economic policies, and only gradually enacting items on the Islamist punch-list — beginning with the ones that enjoyed broad support. Behind the scenes, it used its power both to infiltrate the military and to install its loyalists in important institutions (e.g., the banks, bureaucracy, judiciary, and education system).

Based on this performance, it won reelection with a narrow majority — no small thanks to cheerleading from Western governments and commentators about how Turkey under AKP rule symbolized a modern, “moderate” Islam. With that cover, the AKP promptly stepped up its Islamicization program, ordered arrests of its political opponents, and began challenging the military. To see what the Islamists could get away with, this challenge started with the arrests of a few officers. When there was no pushback, more prosecutions and harassment followed. It was clear that the military would not rise to the occasion, as the West always assumed it would.

Emboldened, the AKP regime has ended Turkey’s military cooperation with Israel and become an increasingly strident supporter of Palestinian “resistance.” Last spring, Turkey’s government financially backed the “peace flotilla” — an attempt by Brotherhood-tied Islamists and anti-American Leftists to break Israel’s blockade of Hamas in Gaza. Turkey now formally rejects the description of Hamas as a terrorist organization, referring to it as a democratically elected political organization that is merely defending its rightful territory. The AKP government has also cozied up to Hezbollah and Syria while working against Western efforts to halt Iran’s nuclear program.

Here’s the part that ought to scare us: Unlike Turkey, Egypt has never undergone a rigorous, decades-long effort to purge Islam from public life. The AKP had a higher mountain to climb. If the Muslim Brotherhood gets its turn at the wheel and steers as shrewdly, the transformation of Egypt won’t happen tomorrow#…#but neither will it take the eight years Turkey needed.

Andrew C. McCarthy
NRO

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How about the strict separation of english and stupidity?

Ordinality isn't a word.

 

[Frisco_Slug_Esq]

Mine was a typo zip, yours was hate-guided ignorance...

 

[zipman]

Mine was a typo zip, yours was hate-guided ignorance...

It wasn't a typo (like onr) or the wrong word (like won). You butchered a fundamental math concept.

But that's okay. I know you're only human, even if you are an arrogant and misguided one (see, that was another use of the word one).

Now the word I didn't know was a far more obscure math term. But I was man enough to come back and admit I was wrong. One (there's that tricky little word again) would have thought that would have been enough for you. But you wanted an apology too because you're feelings were somehow hurt.

Now nut up and study some basic math you fucking moron.

 

[zipman]

Cairo, Egypt (CNN) -- Keeping with the low-profile it has adopted in Egypt's uprising, the Muslim Brotherhood said Wednesday it wants to promote democracy but does not intend to field a candidate for president.

"The Muslim Brotherhood are not seeking power," Mohammed Morsi, a member of the group's media office, said at a Cairo news conference. "We want to participate, not to dominate. We will not have a presidential candidate, we want to participate and help, we are not seeking power."

--- rest of the story--- http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/02/09/egypt.muslim.brotherhood/index.html?hpt=C1

But how could that possibly be after all the articles posted about what a threat they are?

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one times anything is one.

 

[KingOrfeo]

They're focused like a laser on saving the Polar Bears...

Nah. We decided it was less trouble to give them all to a good home.

Oh, when you get home tonight, you might want to just crack the front door and throw in a few steaks, first.

 

[off2bed]

Cairo, Egypt (CNN) -- Keeping with the low-profile it has adopted in Egypt's uprising, the Muslim Brotherhood said Wednesday it wants to promote democracy but does not intend to field a candidate for president.

"The Muslim Brotherhood are not seeking power," Mohammed Morsi, a member of the group's media office, said at a Cairo news conference. "We want to participate, not to dominate. We will not have a presidential candidate, we want to participate and help, we are not seeking power."

--- rest of the story--- http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/02/09/egypt.muslim.brotherhood/index.html?hpt=C1

But how could that possibly be after all the articles posted about what a threat they are?

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Because they lie.

 

[MeeMie]

Cairo, Egypt (CNN) -- Keeping with the low-profile it has adopted in Egypt's uprising, the Muslim Brotherhood said Wednesday it wants to promote democracy but does not intend to field a candidate for president.

"The Muslim Brotherhood are not seeking power," Mohammed Morsi, a member of the group's media office, said at a Cairo news conference. "We want to participate, not to dominate. We will not have a presidential candidate, we want to participate and help, we are not seeking power."

--- rest of the story--- http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/02/09/egypt.muslim.brotherhood/index.html?hpt=C1

But how could that possibly be after all the articles posted about what a threat they are?

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Hard to believe you're Jewish.



That statement comes a day after it was reported the above book excerpts reveals the group’s objectives, including the “global conquest of Islam” and “reestablishing the Islamic Caliphate, the “public and private duties of jihad,” and the “struggles Muslims must wage against Israel.”

It is called Taqqiya - a practice in Shia Islam whereby adherents may conceal their faith or ideals when they feel that they are under threat, persecution, or compulsion.

I don't believe anything they claim when the record of their manipulations, fabrications and outright distortions of truth are self evident and self declared.



Your same link continues on with "And if the Muslim Brotherhood plays a part in a new Egyptian government, it will finally find its proper place and size within Egyptian civil society. We don't really know what size of a constituency they have," ... a bit contradictory of the claim they will not be running a candidate but they just want to participate and help democracy.



The Muslim Brotherhood is barred from taking part in Egyptian elections.
Its candidates run as independents incognito.

Their behind-the-scenes influence ignited on the streets.
To claim they are not a concern is ridiculous.

 

[koalabear]

Muslim Democracy.

 

[Beco]

Muslim Democracy.

Slogan:

Vote for me or we kill you!

 

[koalabear]

Slogan:

Vote for me or we kill you!

Sharia Law for all! men

 

[Beco]

Sharia Law for all! men

Now get back into the kitchen, whore, or you'll get punished....

 

[koalabear]

Now get back into the kitchen, whore, or you'll get punished....

You were raped! Stone her!

 

[Beco]

You were raped! Stone her!

haha!

 

[unregistered]

 

[off2bed]

Hard to believe you're Jewish.

He must be a self-loathing Jew, like Soros.

 

[zipman]

Hard to believe you're Jewish.



That statement comes a day after it was reported the above book excerpts reveals the group’s objectives, including the “global conquest of Islam” and “reestablishing the Islamic Caliphate, the “public and private duties of jihad,” and the “struggles Muslims must wage against Israel.”

It is called Taqqiya - a practice in Shia Islam whereby adherents may conceal their faith or ideals when they feel that they are under threat, persecution, or compulsion.

I don't believe anything they claim when the record of their manipulations, fabrications and outright distortions of truth are self evident and self declared.



Your same link continues on with "And if the Muslim Brotherhood plays a part in a new Egyptian government, it will finally find its proper place and size within Egyptian civil society. We don't really know what size of a constituency they have," ... a bit contradictory of the claim they will not be running a candidate but they just want to participate and help democracy.



The Muslim Brotherhood is barred from taking part in Egyptian elections.
Its candidates run as independents incognito.

Their behind-the-scenes influence ignited on the streets.
To claim they are not a concern is ridiculous.

Why, because I don't live my life in fear of a muslim caliphate?

If you had any actual knowledge, you would realize why that idea would be so difficult to bring about from both a religous and cultural perspective.

But you, vette and the others right wing nut jobs are so busy being frightened by every article you read you've lost that ability to think for yourselves.

It's actually funny but you're too ignorant to even understand why it is funny.

 

[Ishmael]

Why, because I don't live my life in fear of a muslim caliphate?

If you had any actual knowledge, you would realize why that idea would be so difficult to bring about from both a religous and cultural perspective.

But you, vette and the others right wing nut jobs are so busy being frightened by every article you read you've lost that ability to think for yourselves.

It's actually funny but you're too ignorant to even understand why it is funny.

What the hell are you reading Zip? Some sort of pseudo-intellectual crap?

I agree that there is no chance of a latter day Caliphate. And if you look at the historical record there was merely periods of time where the Arabs were ascendant over the Persians. They could call it anything they wanted but even when they had the Persians underfoot, they fought with themselves as to where the political center of gravity was. Cairo, Damascus, Baghdad, they were tribal then and they're tribal today.

However, they do have a collective goal and that is the destruction of western civilization. No matter what their disagreements with one another may be, that is a goal they ALL agree upon.

To scoff at their goal of the re-establishment of a Caliphate is to diminish the very real threat they are to western civilization. Even if you and I agree that their goals are unobtainable, to disregard the destruction that they can do on the way to not obtaining their goals transcends folly and borders on suicide.

Ishmael

 

[off2bed]

However, they do have a collective goal and that is the destruction of western civilization.

The very same goal as die-hard Marxists.

And because both Marxists and radical Muslims are equally delusional, it doesn't matter how unlikely their success is. What matters is how hard they will try to achieve their goal, and that's the reality we must fight. The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.

 

[MeeMie]

It's actually funny but you're too ignorant to even understand why it is funny.

It's you who are ignorant of the Muslim Brotherhood. It's appalling that you would blindly believe the liberal talking points that the Muslim Brotherhood is not a danger to Israel and the West.

The Muslim Brotherhood espouses the destruction of Israel and the wiping out of all of the Jews. THAT is a fact that is easily supported with the slightest bit of research.

You can deny the relation between Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood, however, their Charter specifically states: "The Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the wings of Muslim Brotherhood" quoting Hassan Al-Banna, a Nazi sympathizer who founded the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. Hamas grew out of the Muslim Brotherhood. There is no doubt that the Hamas views itself as a part of the Muslim Brotherhood, and vice versa.

Spin it however you may but that does not change, nor hide, the actual FACTS.

 

[zipman]

What the hell are you reading Zip? Some sort of pseudo-intellectual crap?

I agree that there is no chance of a latter day Caliphate. And if you look at the historical record there was merely periods of time where the Arabs were ascendant over the Persians. They could call it anything they wanted but even when they had the Persians underfoot, they fought with themselves as to where the political center of gravity was. Cairo, Damascus, Baghdad, they were tribal then and they're tribal today.

However, they do have a collective goal and that is the destruction of western civilization. No matter what their disagreements with one another may be, that is a goal they ALL agree upon.

To scoff at their goal of the re-establishment of a Caliphate is to diminish the very real threat they are to western civilization. Even if you and I agree that their goals are unobtainable, to disregard the destruction that they can do on the way to not obtaining their goals transcends folly and borders on suicide.

Ishmael

It's kind of sad that the two most prominent characteristics of your posts are arrogance and fear. You view the entire world through that lens and it would serve you well to get a new pair of glasses.

So we agree that there is no chance of a latter day Caliphate. That was the point of my post. Well, that and the fact that fear seems to guide a lot of the so called critical thinking and analysis on the right. But mainly that the concept of a modern day Caliphate would be extremely difficult because of a variety of factors including some you mentioned, such as the persian/arab issues and tribal aspect. There is also another reason which is the inherent differences between sunnis and shiites. That's one of the main reason I'm not up in arms about their goals.

They hate each other and disagree on a lot more than they agree on. If the west could just get out of the way, they would go back to fighting amongst themselves again. Then there is the effect of technology and progress on the muslim world which has profoundly changed and will continue to change the cultural dynamics there. The effect of what has been happening in Tunisia and Egypt can't be underestimated. They want a better way of life more than anything else. They are getting tired of being oppressed and are rising up and the governments are losing their ability to control the flow of information as they had in the past.

Lastly, While I didn't address their goal of world domination of Islam, while populous as a religion, they lack the military ability to do anything about it. Iran is one of the few countries that even has a semi-respectable military. It's just not realistic nor worth the time to be afraid of it.