Are we too PC ?

[Teaser_Girl]

Personally, I hate when anyone here feels afraid to say something about a fantasy or idea. If we can't be free to be who we really are as members of the BDSM community on the BDSM boards on Lit, where can we be free?

No matter what you may feel about one person's preferences, there's no need to discourage them or berate them for that. To each his own as long as it follows the rules of Lit

 

[Stella_Omega]

Personally, I hate when anyone here feels afraid to say something about a fantasy or idea. If we can't be free to be who we really are as members of the BDSM community on the BDSM boards on Lit, where can we be free?

No matter what you may feel about one person's preferences, there's no need to discourage them or berate them for that. To each his own as long as it follows the rules of Lit

A well-articulated opinion!

 

[midwestyankee]

I'd say it's harder to learn from opinions, and what you'd be learning would be more meta-stuff (what'd a proper term here be?).

Metabullshit?

HEATHEN!!

I suppose you're entitled to your opinion.

FWIW- it's hard to argue properly.
I agree that hiding behind the "I'm entitled to my own opinion" is a cheap trick. What I'm curious about is the psychological effect of that kind of thinking. Is it a form of mental inoculation, that prohibits one from probing too deep into a contradicting idea?

I think you may be right here except that your image conjures up a sense of knowing action, which I think is rarely the case when people use the "it's my opinion and you can't argue with my opinion" dodge.[

Having said that though, not until I reached lit did I realize how a term I've been using since HS- "gay"- could be hurtful, even though I've never had any qualms with gay people or gay marriage or what have you. I was however using the term in day to day life to say that XYZ was wrong, ill fitting, strange, etc. And, thanks to Kybs and Stella, I've seen the error of my ways.

Good man.

Wow, this has been an inchoate and confusing post....

Not at all.

 

[teknight]

Don't you be calling me good. You're setting the bar waay to damn high. At best, I can sometimes admit my assholishness. Better yet, on even more rare occasions (damn you, word I have issues spelling!) I can see how my seemingly innocent/high minded behavior is perceived as douchebaggery and acknowledge it as such. But that's as good as I get, sir.

 

[DVS]

Well, that is exactly my point. If someone wants to state their opinion, we can all agree that their opinion is their opinion.

If they state their opinion as a fact, we can challenge them to prove that fact. And you know-- most people don't know the difference between that they think and what is factual.

Likewise, if their opinion affects me, they had damn well better walk a little while in my shoes before they go spouting it.

I agree with this. We all have our opinions. And if we offer our opinions, we should be able to prove we know what we're talking about when challenged. There's a name for someone with an opinion on everything, without substance to back it up. A blowhard. No, there's no connection to a sexual act.

A case in point:If someone were to say that Chicago style pizza is the best, they should be able to prove that by offering some (along with some cold beer to wash it down) to the other people in the group. That would allow the other people to "walk a while in his shoes" as it were.

But, once the walking is finished and everybody has a stomach full of pizza and beer, even if they didn't agree that Chicago style is the best, they are just too full to say anything against it. While the group might not come to the agreement that Chicago style is the best style, they will at least agree that it is quite satisfying.

And on that subject, I will agree that Chicago style is quite good, but being a bit of a pizza connoisseur, I can't really agree that there is any "best" when talking about pizza. Pizza is a bit like sex. There is no bad sex...some is just hotter.

Wait a minute. That doesn't quite work like I wanted. While pizza is good, even when cold, I'm not into necrophilia.

 

[teknight]

I agree with this. We all have our opinions. And if we offer our opinions, we should be able to prove we know what we're talking about when challenged. There's a name for someone with an opinion on everything, without substance to back it up. A blowhard. No, there's no connection to a sexual act.

A case in point:If someone were to say that Chicago style pizza is the best, they should be able to prove that by offering some (along with some cold beer to wash it down) to the other people in the group. That would allow the other people to "walk a while in his shoes" as it were.

But, once the walking is finished and everybody has a stomach full of pizza and beer, even if they didn't agree that Chicago style is the best, they are just too full to say anything against it. While the group might not come to the agreement that Chicago style is the best style, they will at least agree that it is quite satisfying.

And on that subject, I will agree that Chicago style is quite good, but being a bit of a pizza connoisseur, I can't really agree that there is any "best" when talking about pizza. Pizza is a bit like sex. There is no bad sex...some is just hotter.

Wait a minute. That doesn't quite work like I wanted. While pizza is good, even when cold, I'm not into necrophilia.

Stop talking food! My stomach's growling at me!

 

[DVS]

Stop talking food! My stomach's growling at me!

See? Even your stomach has an opinion.

 

[teknight]

See? Even your stomach has an opinion.

Nah. Just an asshole.

 

[DVS]

The problem, DVS, lies not in varying opinions but in the fundamental worthlessness of opinions. I cannot learn from another's opinion because opinions bear no weight. On the other hand, if someone with extensive experience in the use of electrical stimulation via an anal probe posts his or her observations about how people have reacted to such stimuli in his or her experience, then I can learn from those observations. They're not opinions. If all we do is swap opinions, there's really very little point.

How quickly would we tire of a "discussion" that included only variants of "I think deep dish pizza is the best possible kind of pizza"? Half a dozen posts in and we'd exhaust the possibilities and the thread would did. Especially because any sane individual already knows that Chicago-style deep dish pizza is the best pizza on earth.

Too many people make claims that have no evidence behind them, or which are based on very thin evidence, and expect everyone to accept them because "we're all entitled to our opinion." No, I don't have to accept your "opinion" Mr-Know-it-All-Domly-One if it has nothing behind it but hot air.

The person with the feeble opinion would still have an opinion, but wouldn't have anyone listening, after a while. That problem would take care of itself. Now, you can confront that feeble opinion and ask for a basis of fact, but don't go all "holier than thou" on them because that only worsens the situation. If they can't back up their words with fact, they still have an opinion.

Just because they don't believe the same as you, it doesn't give you the right to hound them as being less than you. You can calmly offer your fact based opinion and let them think it over. They then have the option to agree or say you are full of shit. If they agree, you have a new friend. If they say you are full of shit, you don't let them have any Chicago style pizza. See how simple this all is?

 

[DVS]

Nah. Just an asshole.

If your stomach heard that, you might get a case of indigestion. Be one with your body and it will take care of you.

Keep in mind that your stomach is close friends with your asshole. What one sees, eventually so does the other. You could also end up with a nasty case of hemorrhoids!

 

[teknight]

The person with the feeble opinion would still have an opinion, but wouldn't have anyone listening, after a while. That problem would take care of itself. Now, you can confront that feeble opinion and ask for a basis of fact, but don't go all "holier than thou" on them because that only worsens the situation. If they can't back up their words with fact, they still have an opinion.

Just because they don't believe the same as you, it doesn't give you the right to hound them as being less than you. You can calmly offer your fact based opinion and let them think it over. They then have the option to agree or say you are full of shit. If they agree, you have a new friend. If they say you are full of shit, you don't let them have any Chicago style pizza. See how simple this all is?

Rights? Aren't those just shared delusions anyway?
It's not nice to think less of said people, sure. But that's not saying much, is it?
Fact is that it's too damn is to dismiss 'em as dumb/ignorant/etc. Don't dismiss the process as "not nice"- acknowledge its existence and understand why it happens.

 

[Stella_Omega]

The person with the feeble opinion would still have an opinion, but wouldn't have anyone listening, after a while. That problem would take care of itself. Now, you can confront that feeble opinion and ask for a basis of fact, but don't go all "holier than thou" on them because that only worsens the situation. If they can't back up their words with fact, they still have an opinion.

When someone is too stupid to know that their opinion isn't a fact, going holier than thou is about the only fun you can have with them. Just saying. And they are never going to shut up, no matter how stupid their opinions are.

Just because they don't believe the same as you, it doesn't give you the right to hound them as being less than you. You can calmly offer your fact based opinion and let them think it over. They then have the option to agree or say you are full of shit. If they agree, you have a new friend. If they say you are full of shit, you don't let them have any Chicago style pizza. See how simple this all is?

Damn you, I cant find the pizzeria menu on the kitchen table!

 

[teknight]

When someone is too stupid to know that their opinion isn't a fact, going holier than thou is about the only fun you can have with them. Just saying. And they are never going to shut up, no matter how stupid their opinions are. Damn you, I cant find the pizzeria menu on the kitchen table!

You're e-ville, hence awesome.

google the menu?

 

[DVS]

When someone is too stupid to know that their opinion isn't a fact, going holier than thou is about the only fun you can have with them. Just saying. And they are never going to shut up, no matter how stupid their opinions are. Damn you, I cant find the pizzeria menu on the kitchen table!

Tisk tisk. What would your momma say? Just because it's fun, does that make it right? But I do understand what you mean. As to the person not shutting up, think of the saying "if nobody is in the forest, does the falling tree still make a sound?".


Now, if you are thinking of pizza, I hear Chicago style is pretty good. I don't know if it's the best, but everybody has their opinion.

 

[teknight]

I get it now. All this forum is just a bunch of bots that have been interacting for ages...so as to sell me Chicago style pizza.

 

[DVS]

I get it now. All this forum is just a bunch of bots that have been interacting for ages...so as to sell me Chicago style pizza.

OK, if that's your opinion. Personally, I prefer KC BBQ sandwiches. I have lots of different flavors to choose from.

Sticking with pizza, there is buffalo wings pizza. Two tastes that I love at once. Then there is BBQ chicken pizza that has BBQ sauce instead of pizza sauce, white meat chicken, red onions, red and green bell peppers and jalapeño peppers. It might sound strange, but it's mmm-mmm good. Well, in my opinion.

 

[teknight]

OK, if that's your opinion. Personally, I prefer KC BBQ sandwiches. I have lots of different flavors to choose from.

Sticking with pizza, there is buffalo wings pizza. Two tastes that I love at once. Then there is BBQ chicken pizza that has BBQ sauce instead of pizza sauce, white meat chicken, red onions, red and green bell peppers and jalapeño peppers. It might sound strange, but it's mmm-mmm good. Well, in my opinion.

Diversification. That's cool. An adapting bot.

 

[DVS]

Diversification. That's cool. An adapting bot.

Bots know where the deals are. Pappa John's pizza has a deal going...all large pizzas for $10.

 

[midwestyankee]

Bots know where the deals are. Pappa John's pizza has a deal going...all large pizzas for $10.

Papa Johns had to leave Chicago as no one bought their product here. One interpretation of this is that PJ's pizza just wasn't up to local standards.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Papa Johns had to leave Chicago as no one bought their product here. One interpretation of this is that PJ's pizza just wasn't up to local standards.

I found that a lot of Chicago natives preferred New York Style pizza.

Maybe it seems exotic?

 

[midwestyankee]

I found that a lot of Chicago natives preferred New York Style pizza.

Maybe it seems exotic?

Perhaps you found them because they'd abandoned their homeland for more exotic climes and thus can not reasonably be considered a representative class.

There's so much variety in pizza, even within a genre. The New York pizza I had while travelling in the Pompous Pomme was regrettable. It was like eating a soggy saltine with some ketchup and government grade cheese on it. But I suspect that I was just unlucky in my selection and that I might just as easily have found the secret to sex and the universe in a slice from the joint next door.

In fact, Chicago deep dish is more exotic, if by exotic one means unusual and well outside the norm. The vast majority of pizza made in the U.S. is like Kansas: pretty damned flat.

One could also just as easily argue that the Puckian pizzas of California are both exotic and the best available. They offer greater variety, a few nods to healthfulness, and extraordinary flavors. But I have little experience with these outside of that chain that uses the California name so I guess I haven't walked even a block in your pizza shoes.

 

[DVS]

Papa Johns had to leave Chicago as no one bought their product here. One interpretation of this is that PJ's pizza just wasn't up to local standards.

Well, Pappa John's means nothing to me, either. Something in their sauce gives me migraine headaches. Go figure. I can eat many different varieties, but his? Nope. I was just passing along something I saw on the tube. I was being PC to those who actually like Pappa John's.

Oh, and it's not just my opinion that it gives me migraines. It's a fact. I don't know what it is, but something is in their sauce that isn't in any other pizza sauce I've tried. Maybe that pizza gave a lot of people in Chicago migraines.

 

[ownedsubgal]

Papa John's is the biggest chain in this area, for some reason, so if we're doing the pizza delivery thing we will use them more often than not. but i agree with DVS about their tomato sauce...it's something weirdly sweet and headache-inducing about it. however i love their hawaiian bbq chicken pizza, and on that one they use a bbq sauce instead.

still, chicago deep-dish pizza is the best pizza, imo. too bad it's so hard to find any of the good stuff outside of chicago tho.

just curious, how did this turn into the pizza thread? lol

 

[teknight]

Papa John's is the biggest chain in this area, for some reason, so if we're doing the pizza delivery thing we will use them more often than not. but i agree with DVS about their tomato sauce...it's something weirdly sweet and headache-inducing about it. however i love their hawaiian bbq chicken pizza, and on that one they use a bbq sauce instead.

still, chicago deep-dish pizza is the best pizza, imo. too bad it's so hard to find any of the good stuff outside of chicago tho.

just curious, how did this turn into the pizza thread? lol

We're just too PC to talk about non pizza stuff.

 

[midwestyankee]

Papa John's is the biggest chain in this area, for some reason, so if we're doing the pizza delivery thing we will use them more often than not. but i agree with DVS about their tomato sauce...it's something weirdly sweet and headache-inducing about it. however i love their hawaiian bbq chicken pizza, and on that one they use a bbq sauce instead.

still, chicago deep-dish pizza is the best pizza, imo. too bad it's so hard to find any of the good stuff outside of chicago tho.

just curious, how did this turn into the pizza thread? lol

It's a fact: I hijacked the thread.