voluptuary_manque
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Can you blame them?
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TheeGoatPig
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Just one? I would have grabbed up as many as the boat could carry.
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If they were all like Cloudy, you might have had difficulty if they were at all reluctant.
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If they were all like Cloudy, you might have had difficulty if they were at all reluctant.
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Uh, yeah! I think 'enticed' would work a lot better than 'carried off'!
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So what does this do to "Columbus Day"?
Send it where it belongs. But to claim the Vikings discovered the western hemisphere would be just as much hubris.
I assure you, the 100 - 200 million people living here at the time knew where they were and had no need of discovery, whether you want to call them "Indians" or "Skraelings."
And you should also remember that when Europe was threatening the stake for heliocentrism, the peoples of the "new world" had long known the nature of the solar system and so much more.
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In 1434, the Emperor of China sent a fleet of 650 ships and 30,000 sailors around the Indian Ocean to establish trade and diplomatic links. His successor, however, took the advice of a vizier and decided to close China's doors.
In my history book, I learned that Vasco da Gama opened up the Indian Ocean for trade. What hubris again! And archaeology shows ocean-going trade from at least 3,000 BCE between the Summerians of the Tigris-Euphrates and the Harrapans of the Indus..
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If they were all like Cloudy, you might have had difficulty if they were at all reluctant.
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But I'm greedy, and I want more!...
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lol - so true.If they were all like Cloudy, you might have had difficulty if they were at all reluctant.
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Two questions:
1: When did Iceland become part of Europe -- other than politically.
2: When did 1710 become "before Columbus." They have no evidence for the speculation going back another 700 years.
They may well be correct that the original indian mother dates back to the tenth century, but she could just as easily be the survivor of a whaling canoe blown out to sea and along the gulf stream to Iceland sometime in the period when Iceland was "practically isolated" -- meaning it had little contact with Europe.
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Hmmm. Which plot bunny do I prefer? Studly Vikings arriving at a seashore village of sexy native Americans or a lone sexy native American finding herself in a studly Viking village
Decisions, decisions....
voluptuary_manque
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You forgot one. Sexy American Indian Domme takes over studly Viking village. 
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Hadn't gotten to the details yet. I was just trying to decide which way it would go--she floats their way or they float her way (and take her home).
I'm leaning toward Vikings going to her so that the Viking's heterosexual chief can trade his gay brother to the Native's gay chief in exchange for her
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Hadn't gotten to the details yet. I was just trying to decide which way it would go--she floats their way or they float her way (and take her home).
I'm leaning toward Vikings going to her so that the Viking's heterosexual chief can trade his gay brother to the Native's gay chief in exchange for her
That could work . . .
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Two questions:
1: When did Iceland become part of Europe -- other than politically.
2: When did 1710 become "before Columbus." They have no evidence for the speculation going back another 700 years.
They may well be correct that the original indian mother dates back to the tenth century, but she could just as easily be the survivor of a whaling canoe blown out to sea and along the gulf stream to Iceland sometime in the period when Iceland was "practically isolated" -- meaning it had little contact with Europe.
I'm not sure of our reference to 1710. However, a Northman farm was discovered in the 1960s at L'Anse aux Meadows, Newfoundland. The farm has been accepted by archeologists as the settlement of Thofin Karsefni and dated to around the year 1010. The establishment of a Northman farm in 'Vinland' is documented in the Grœnlendinga saga. There were actyakklt four Northman voyages, per the sagas, that very probably reached North America, however, the only hard evidence is the Northman farm at L'Anse aux Meadows, Newfoundland.
The first non-Amerind person actually documented to have seen the North American continent was Bjarni Hierolfson and the year was 985 or 986.
There are several stories of Irish, Phoenicians, Egytians and even Africans having reached the new world orior to Columbus, but there's no evidence and no real written documentation.
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I know that there is hard evidence of Norse presence on the North American continent dating back to the tenth century or so. What there is no evidence of before 1710 is Amerind DNA on Iceland.
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Comforting to know you haven't changed TGP. Though I can't blame you.
For all the ways I have changed over the years, I am still the same person I always was.
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