Cattypuss
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M/s dynamic taken to the limit?
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Stella_Omega
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Yep, totally.
Etoile
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That's an outstanding analogy, but in this case it seems like there was a "romantic" component to the relationship. That doesn't put it too much more firmly in the realm of this board's interests, but it does complicate the matter slightly.
ownedsubgal
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what's my view? i don't have much of one since we'll probably never know the true nature of the relationship between these two men. yes, there could have been some "romantic" element (judging by the pictures), or it could be as Netz said, a strictly Royal/servant relationship, or most likely...some odd combination. one thing that does seem clear...the relationship was consensual. even if it the consent was forged on nothing more than "this is what i must bear in order to maintain my position and keep my family fed." that is still consent. so this poor man's death is tragic, but it would probably be a safe bet that he saw this coming someday.
YourCaptor
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I dont think its M/s. Or if so a very mild version.
Smacking your bitch around does not automatically mean M/s
Smacking your bitch around does not automatically mean M/s
sb2009
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I personally take issue with this, but I am not attacking you OSG. to me, this falls under the category of duress. Much as me sucking a guys cock because he's threatening to kill me...not consent.
The cultural reality is very different from the US and the whole "at will" employment. I doubt seriously that this man would have been able to just "quit" his. How many stories do we read about foreign women employed in Bahrain who dont' get paid, who have thier passports held, who are beaten and raped? Those with power in that country see people as disposable.
ownedsubgal
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the only place where we disagree here is on the issue of compliance under dress not being consent. i'm well aware of the sorely limited options a person in such a position may have, of the potential risk to personal welfare or even family if the rules are not followed. in the end, it is still consent. mind you, that doesn't make anything right or wrong. it just is.
sb2009
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i guess LOL I don't consider the options death, loss of limb, my family being killed or suffering extensively viable options. For me for there to be a case of actual consent, the consequences have to be choices that a reasonable person can live with. ( I am not talking about when someone chooses to give up all options, etc - and I don't believe that one person can choose to give up consent for another, as in a case of family members, etc) But that's just me.
Stella_Omega
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Considering that you were willing to kill yourself at one point, I suppose that makes sense to you.
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eastern sun
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It looks like M/s dynamics to me. The M/s "games" we play here in America are deeply rooted in a sexuality that has been around for millenia.
What if I were a poor girl who married a rich man? Would that make you perceive my relationship differently?
What if I were a poor girl who married a rich man? Would that make you perceive my relationship differently?
Netzach
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I still think comparing the M/s we discuss on this board to what goes on among royalty and their servants is like comparing playing counterstrike to mounting an assault on Normandy.
When your surrounding social structure is one that offers lifelines out of your "slavery" then it's completely different from being surrounded by social forces that reinforce it and say "good job."
When your surrounding social structure is one that offers lifelines out of your "slavery" then it's completely different from being surrounded by social forces that reinforce it and say "good job."
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eastern sun
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True. Which is why we should work for social change.
The murder happened in London, though. And it looks like the prince could do jail time. I don't think it ever occurred to him that he wouldn't get away with murder.
My husband would not have that confidence.
intothewoods
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If the laws in your country reinforce and support the notion of people as property, that makes it actual slavery. There are sex slaves here (and in other first world countries) of course, but they typically have no idea that the arrangement is illegal or that law enforcement can help them. Creating the framework for the relationship, including mutually agreed upon ways to protect yourself from the U.S. legal system or methods for keeping the arrangement secret from your friends and family, makes the relationship an entirely different beast.
Stella_Omega
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At home, he would have gotten away with the murder.
What he might be executed for, is being gay.
eastern sun
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Yes. I'm sure he's considering jail time in Europe a better option.
