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14th Amendment, Let's Change It

I'll gladly petition for changing the 14th Amendment the way Chevetteman would like if he and everyone else in this country who thinks like he does promises to leave and never return to the U.S. once it's finalized.
 
vetteman said:
Where does it qualify what it says? That's your interpretation. The fact is Article 1 Section 8 says Congress makes the rules for Naturalization, not the courts or anyone else, but Congress.
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The 14th Amendment was not a product of the court. It's an Amendment added to the Constitution by Congress by the means described in Article 5.

That's not "my interpretation", it's a fact.

The fact that you think that Congress can just add to or take away from Constitutional Amendments whenever and however it likes means that you weren't paying attention in U.S History class when they covered the Constitution, article 5 in particular.
 
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RoryN said:
I'll gladly petition for changing the 14th Amendment the way Chevetteman would like if he and everyone else in this country who thinks like he does promises to leave and never return to the U.S. once it's finalized.
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get it on paper first.
 
(Why does Byron keep posting pictures of vetteman's birthday party?)
 
pointless said:
it's true. vette was a big proponent of chinese exclusion act when he was still in his forties.
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too obscure? well, i thought it was funny. you guys are all bastards for not getting it/not thinking it was funny. i will now pout for thirty seconds and then move on.
 
vetteman said:
Actually Article 1 Section 8 states that Congress shall have power to "establish an uniform rule of Naturalization," and Section 5 of the 14th Amendment states, "The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article."

So why does it require an amendment?
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I dunno. You're the one who posted "Let's Change It"
 
vetteman said:
Where does it qualify what it says? That's your interpretation. The fact is Article 1 Section 8 says Congress makes the rules for Naturalization, not the courts or anyone else, but Congress.

The fact is the language of Article 1 pretty much excludes the courts and gives them zero jurisdiction when it says "Congress shall have power," and it's clear that the amendment gives Congress legislative purview over the enforcement of the amendment. Just sayin.
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Article 1 Section 8 says that Congress shall have the power to "establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization..."

Which it does.

However, Amendment 14 says, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States..."

So, your argument fails there.
 
pointless said:
too obscure? well, i thought it was funny. you guys are all bastards for not getting it/not thinking it was funny. i will now pout for thirty seconds and then move on.
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That is how it goes.

Sometimes when you aim for funny, you hit droll.
 
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