Have you ever loved a woman...lyrics, writerly

[amicus]

To really love a woman
To understand her - you gotta know it deep inside
Hear every thought - see every dream
N' give her wings - when she wants to fly
Then when you find yourself lyin' helpless in her arms
You know you really love a woman

When you love a woman you tell her
that she's really wanted
When you love a woman you tell her that she's the one
she needs somebody to tell her
that it's gonna last forever
So tell me have you ever really
- really really ever loved a woman?

To really love a woman
Let her hold you -
til ya know how she needs to be touched
You've gotta breathe her - really taste her
Til you can feel her in your blood
N' when you can see your unborn children in her eyes
You know you really love a woman

When you love a woman
you tell her that she's really wanted
When you love a woman you tell her that she's the one
she needs somebody to tell her
that you'll always be together
So tell me have you ever really -
really really ever loved a woman?

You got to give her some faith - hold her tight
A little tenderness - gotta treat her right
She will be there for you, takin' good care of you
Ya really gotta love your woman...

Then when you find yourself lyin' helpless in her arms
You know you really love a woman
When you love a woman you tell her
that she's really wanted
When you love a woman you tell her that she's the one
she needs somebody to tell her
that it's gonna last forever
So tell me have you ever really
- really really ever loved a woman?

Just tell me have you ever really,
really, really, ever loved a woman? You got to tell me
Just tell me have you ever really,
really, really, ever loved a woman?

~~~

While putting together a collection of poems for a future book, I put a playlist on for some music and the above was one that played.

Listening to the music and lyrics, I realized how much music adds to verse and thought what a poor second, poetry really is, regardless of the impact of the words.

Considering the lyrics of this song, I understand just how much was implied by the words and the thoughts. Being a Romantic at heart, I feel and comprehend the lines and what was intended, as best I can; then I realized how alien the words might appear to others with a different sense of life.

Although I included, 'writerly' in the Title, everything is political in one way or another, even music and art of all forms, thus I bolded some of the lines that I thought might be viewed other than my own.

This line: "...you can see your unborn children in her eyes..", is one of those lines, like, "The ocean sparkled like a million diamonds", that can never be equaled, it says it all in the best possible way.

The entire lyric expresses what might be called an 'old fashioned' male or masculine perception of love and womanhood, that many reject as sexist in todays climate.

If yiou have never heard the song... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v7rDQEF9Rc

Thoughts?

Amicus...the hopeless Romantic

 

[D_K_Moon]

Listening to the music and lyrics, I realized how much music adds to verse and thought what a poor second, poetry really is, regardless of the impact of the words.

I disagree, lyrics are written to go with music, where as poetry stands alone. Both can be full of emotion, similar but different.

ETA: That's an awesome song, and I had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Adams at Little Mountain Sound in Vancouver.

 

[amicus]

]I disagree, lyrics are written to go with music, where as poetry stands alone. Both can be full of emotion, similar but different.

ETA: That's an awesome song, and I had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Adams at Little Mountain Sound in Vancouver[/I].

~~~

Thank you...but I still maintain my original assertion about poetry. Music, with lyrics, involves both the words and the music, a much more visceral response; words are purely conceptual but music can delight the soul, that part of the very private and unique response to sound that only you can experience.

A small coincidence...I met the Wilson sisters of Heart, from Vancouver, in Vancouver, Washington, at a little pub called the Red Caboose, when they first came to the US. Never met Bryan Adams, but I played the hell out of his song on my radio program a few years back.

amicus

 

[D_K_Moon]

~~~

Thank you...but I still maintain my original assertion about poetry. Music, with lyrics, involves both the words and the music, a much more visceral response; words are purely conceptual but music can delight the soul, that part of the very private and unique response to sound that only you can experience.

A small coincidence...I met the Wilson sisters of Heart, from Vancouver, in Vancouver, Washington, at a little pub called the Red Caboose, when they first came to the US. Never met Bryan Adams, but I played the hell out of his song on my radio program a few years back.

amicus

And music on its own can do the same...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8LL1x6J2rU

 

[amicus]

And music on its own can do the same...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8LL1x6J2rU

~~~

Agreed, most assuredly; Concierto de Aranjuez has been a longtime favorite of mine. Mozart and The Magic Flute, also perhaps, Herby Mann and Joao Gilberto in a flute guitar piece, the name of which escapes me, Brubeck and Desmond, Blue Rondo ala Turk, and several others in my library that come to mind.

But again, words, one thing, music another, combined the create a whole greater than the sum of the parts....in my seldom humble opinion

Amicus

 

[D_K_Moon]

~~~

Agreed, most assuredly; Concierto de Aranjuez has been a longtime favorite of mine. Mozart and The Magic Flute, also perhaps, Herby Mann and Joao Gilberto in a flute guitar piece, the name of which escapes me, Brubeck and Desmond, Blue Rondo ala Turk, and several others in my library that come to mind.

But again, words, one thing, music another, combined the create a whole greater than the sum of the parts....in my seldom humble opinion

Amicus

Oh yes, I agree as well, good music, and good lyrics are a combination that cant be beat. No argument from me there.

 

[Stella_Omega]

~~~

While putting together a collection of poems for a future book, I put a playlist on for some music and the above was one that played.

Listening to the music and lyrics, I realized how much music adds to verse and thought what a poor second, poetry really is, regardless of the impact of the words.

Considering the lyrics of this song, I understand just how much was implied by the words and the thoughts. Being a Romantic at heart, I feel and comprehend the lines and what was intended, as best I can; then I realized how alien the words might appear to others with a different sense of life.

Although I included, 'writerly' in the Title, everything is political in one way or another, even music and art of all forms, thus I bolded some of the lines that I thought might be viewed other than my own.

This line: "...you can see your unborn children in her eyes..", is one of those lines, like, "The ocean sparkled like a million diamonds", that can never be equaled, it says it all in the best possible way.

The entire lyric expresses what might be called an 'old fashioned' male or masculine perception of love and womanhood, that many reject as sexist in todays climate.

If yiou have never heard the song... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v7rDQEF9Rc

Thoughts?

Amicus...the hopeless Romantic

It's a very sweet song. it does not say anything that hasn't been said a million times-- but it is totally cute.

I don't know if you knew this, Ami, but it's the theme song for an old movie "Don Juan De Marco"

In it, the young lover says;

Have you never met a woman who inspires you to love? Until your every sense is filled with her? You inhale her. You taste her. You see your unborn children in her eyes and know that your heart has at last found a home. Your life begins with her, and without her it must surely end.

What do you know of great love? Have you ever loved a woman until milk leaked from her as though she had just given birth to love itself, and now must feed it or burst? Have you ever tasted a woman until she believed that she could be satisfied only by consuming the tongue that had devoured her? Have you ever loved a woman so completely that the sound of your voice in her ear could cause her body to shudder and explode with such intense pleasure that only weeping could bring her full release?

Bryan Adam's lyrics are paltry in comparison. But sweet.

 

[amicus]

I am familiar with "Don Juan De Marco", but not the lyrics or words you provided, thank you.

Of course nothing new is ever said and the more one is aware of past literature and music, it becomes glaringly apparent, especially to a writer that attempts to avoid repeating something already done.

But still, each day, hundreds of new songs, poems and stories are written and published....thas gotta say something...perhaps each new generation must create their own perception of human emotions.

Amicus

 

[amicus]

http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric....s-Billy-Joel/98F5BA02E8B085A548256870001B6C6D

She can kill with a smile
She can wound with her eyes
She can ruin your faith with her casual lies
And she only reveals what she wants you to see
She hides like a child,
But she's always a woman to me

She can lead you to love
She can take you or leave you
She can ask for the truth
But she'll never believe you
And she'll take what you give her, as long as it's free
Yeah, she steals like a thief
But she's always a woman to me

CHORUS:
Oh--she takes care of herself
She can wait if she wants
She's ahead of her time
Oh--and she never gives out
And she never gives in
She just changes her mind

And she'll promise you more
Than the Garden of Eden
Then she'll carelessly cut you
And laugh while you're bleedin'
But she'll bring out the best
And the worst you can be
Blame it all on yourself
Cause she's always a woman to me
--Mhmm--

Bridge

CHORUS:
Oh--she takes care of herself
She can wait if she wants
She's ahead of her time
Oh--and she never gives out
And she never gives in
She just changes her mind

She is frequently kind
And she's suddenly cruel
She can do as she pleases
She's nobody's fool
And she can't be convicted
She's earned her degree
And the most she will do
Is throw shadows at you
But she's always a woman to me
--Mhmm--

~~~

This song came to mind...another lyric writer/poet's vision of 'woman', in verse that offers a somewhat different perspective...

Amicus

 

[Liar]

I would say that you can get away with some really hackneyed writing in song lyrics and the musical framing will do some of the heavy lifting in elliciting an emotional reaction from the audience.

With poetry, that has nothing to hide behind, it's easier to see if it's doggerel.

That being said, the very best songs out there are often a testimony to what happens when you combine well written poetry with good music.

 

[Xelebes]

I disagree, lyrics are written to go with music, where as poetry stands alone. Both can be full of emotion, similar but different.

ETA: That's an awesome song, and I had the pleasure of meeting Mr. Adams at Little Mountain Sound in Vancouver.

Usually music is written for the lyrics, not the other way around. Writing music before the lyrics usually means you're going to have an instrumental piece. I never separate lyrics and poetry.

 

[Stella_Omega]

I would say that you can get away with some really hackneyed writing in song lyrics and the musical framing will do some of the heavy lifting in elliciting an emotional reaction from the audience.

With poetry, that has nothing to hide behind, it's easier to see if it's doggerel.

I had the damndest time writing lyrics at first because I couldn't understand that. I kept trying to put everything into the words, without leaving room for the music...

Now I know that it's best to be sketchy with the words-- and fight like a maniac with the musicians to get the mood you wanted in the music, instead of whatever they come up with first off.

 

[Boota]

When I write with my singer I do all the music and he usually does all the lyrics. Sometimes I throw in my two cents lyrically, but not much lately. In the end we come up with dozens of great songs, but I couldn't tell you what the hell most of them are about. His words mean something different to just about anyone that hears them. My lyrics are very straight forward. Usually if I write a poem it was lyrics that got too free form to sing.

 

[Boota]

Usually music is written for the lyrics, not the other way around. Writing music before the lyrics usually means you're going to have an instrumental piece. I never separate lyrics and poetry.

I write a lot of different ways. The most common way for me is to have the music and write lyrics for it, but I don't have any real set pattern.

 

[Xelebes]

I write a lot of different ways. The most common way for me is to have the music and write lyrics for it, but I don't have any real set pattern.

Yes, there is such thing as words that come with the melody.

 

[Stella_Omega]

When I write with my singer I do all the music and he usually does all the lyrics. Sometimes I throw in my two cents lyrically, but not much lately. In the end we come up with dozens of great songs, but I couldn't tell you what the hell most of them are about. His words mean something different to just about anyone that hears them. My lyrics are very straight forward. Usually if I write a poem it was lyrics that got too free form to sing.

yeah, my partner's lyrics are that way too-- and I don't like it. I really love me some allusion...

Also, he'll write these pretty melodies that are just perfect to be sung-- but won't give them up for the lyrics.

 

[Huckleman2000]

I would say that you can get away with some really hackneyed writing in song lyrics and the musical framing will do some of the heavy lifting in elliciting an emotional reaction from the audience.[...]

A case in point: Macarthur Park, and probably a few other Jimmy Webb songs.

 

[cloudy]

A case in point: Macarthur Park, and probably a few other Jimmy Webb songs.

Most WTF song ever done...and done again....and done again.

 

[Huckleman2000]

Here's one that's also pretty stirring, with limited lyrical support: Eli's Coming

 

[Boota]

yeah, my partner's lyrics are that way too-- and I don't like it. I really love me some allusion...

Also, he'll write these pretty melodies that are just perfect to be sung-- but won't give them up for the lyrics.

I recorded an instrumental and he heard it and goes, "Nice instrumental. Needs some words, though."