Sexy Media

[virginsuccubus]

Do you think American films and tv shows and video games and such are too sexual or violent? What do you think parents should do concerning exposure to their children? Personally, as a child I have seen many films I was too young to see, but I'm a non-violent virgin. So, I think that because my parents raised me to respect people, I wasn't too influenced by violent and sexual images. Obviously, certain things are only appropiate for people of a certain age group. What's your opinion?

 

[Wolfman1982]

Hmmm I can only say this, I prefer a tit (uncensored) than violence on TV, and if you ask me about American TV, then I would say without a doubt. That there ARE loads and loads of too much violence on TV over there. Maybe they should learn something from the rest of us, instead of trying to influence other countries, that are more democratic (WTF is democracy now a days anyway ?) than them. Cause since I was a child in Denmark till now, then a lot of stuff has changed (in a bad way) thanks to American and British English influence. Cause right now there are three Danish TV channels being broadcast from the UK, and they censor Danish curse words and swearing , and nudity in their tv shows are censored too. Thanks to the ludicrous (British English) censorship laws. And some of their old shows, from back when the TV channels were sent from Denmark, are now re-edited and censored, thanks to British English censorship, which is a disaster. So if you ask me, if there is too much violence on American and British English TV ? then absofuckinglutely . I would rather hear a Danish curse and swear word, and see a tit uncensored on TV, than wathing the PG bullshit all the time. And that is my honest humble opinion, that can make people angry at me. So I am prepared for a hammering. Sorry , if you feel offended, but that is how I see things.

 

[virginsuccubus]

Not offended at all!

I'm not offended. I just wanted someone's opinion.

 

[John Doe]

Do you think American films and tv shows and video games and such are too sexual or violent? What do you think parents should do concerning exposure to their children? Personally, as a child I have seen many films I was too young to see, but I'm a non-violent virgin. So, I think that because my parents raised me to respect people, I wasn't too influenced by violent and sexual images. Obviously, certain things are only appropiate for people of a certain age group. What's your opinion?

Not necessarily. It depends on the piece in question.

Take the new series Spartacus: Blood and Sand for example. I think they overdid the violence a lot. Not for any moral reason, but as a point of artistic license and interpretation of the era. I don't necessarily mean the quantity, though there is a lot of it and while time scale is unclear, in reality most gladiators only fought in the arena 2-5 times a year. Mainly it's how they portrayed the combat. When someone gets slashed in the back by a sword and your entire view is occupied with a splash of CGI blood, that's not realistic.

What should parents do? Nothing fancy really. Just control what their media their children experience based on the child's age and development and their own (the parents') judgment. I imagine rating systems like those from the MPAA and ESRB help a lot.

Hmmm I can only say this, I prefer a tit (uncensored) than violence on TV, and if you ask me about American TV, then I would say without a doubt. That there ARE loads and loads of too much violence on TV over there. Maybe they should learn something from the rest of us, instead of trying to influence other countries, that are more democratic (WTF is democracy now a days anyway ?) than them. Cause since I was a child in Denmark till now, then a lot of stuff has changed (in a bad way) thanks to American and British English influence. Cause right now there are three Danish TV channels being broadcast from the UK, and they censor Danish curse words and swearing , and nudity in their tv shows are censored too. Thanks to the ludicrous (British English) censorship laws. And some of their old shows, from back when the TV channels were sent from Denmark, are now re-edited and censored, thanks to British English censorship, which is a disaster. So if you ask me, if there is too much violence on American and British English TV ? then absofuckinglutely . I would rather hear a Danish curse and swear word, and see a tit uncensored on TV, than wathing the PG bullshit all the time. And that is my honest humble opinion, that can make people angry at me. So I am prepared for a hammering. Sorry , if you feel offended, but that is how I see things.

Firstly, democracy is not always a good thing.

Secondly, "humble opinion" my ass. What is this comment, "Maybe they should learn something from the rest of us, instead of trying to influence other countries, that are more democratic (WTF is democracy now a days anyway ?) than them" if not arrogance?

 

[Wolfman1982]

John Doe: arrogance would be if, I was not aware of the flaws in my statement, which you so beautifully showed in my post, but there are things the lovely USA could learn from other nations that are so-called democratic. Cause I would not say democracy today in this world, is the democracy. I would call a democracy any where. But my statement still holds true. And I am fucking tired of censorship in the way USA, and UK are trying to shove it down in other peoples throat. Cause no body other than the Danes, are watching the three channels I am thinking off, any where else than than Denmark, and the reason is, they are in Danish. But perhaps a lucky Swede will be watching those three channels in either Malmö or in Helsingborg, because it is so close to Denmark. Or any other place in Sweden near Denmark.

And the three channel names are 4´eren, Kanal 5 and 6´eren

http://www.sbstv.dk/

JD: again your MPAA and ESRB rating system are also not always cool . But yes The Danes could learn a few things here and there from UK and USA, but I really do not like censorship.

I can mention a film, that is based on a whole series of Danish films, where the first one was written as a book (By Dennis Jügensen) long ago, got an American version this year named Love at First Hiccup (The First Time), and the Danish series, in Denmark was rated PG or something just as "soft", but Love at First Hiccup (The First Time) Got punched up by MPAA and ESRB to 18, and if you ask me. Then USA could , and should learn to take it more easy around tits and so forth when it comes to films like the Danes are. I could probably mention other examples. But if you ask me, then I basically want to give the finger to the British English Victorian BS censorship, and to the American censorship too. Cause handicapping a language is never a good thing. And oh yeah, I do like to speak a lovely language without curses and swear words. But I prefer having the option of cursing when I feel it is necessary and fitting.

 

[Noira]

When I was much younger, I was totally offended by nudity and sexual content in movies I liked but thought nothing of orcs getting beheaded, stabbed, and horribly killed.

Now I think I was totally stupid. Nudity = normal. Violence = not normal. But even though I saw some things I was too young to see, I'm a non-violent person. I think it has to do with how your parents raise you rather than just what you see... it's a combination. People who play video games don't all go gun people down--the odd extremist, sure, they happen.

I prefer less violence, sex and language in the media I experience. It just often comes across as distasteful. When used well, they add to the characters and situation... but often it's not well done. Cursing can add to a character, but it's often done for shock value or because it's expected. In the end, I like well done, artistic, tasteful media... that uses what it's got to benefit the story it tells, enhance the setting, bring realism to the characters and life to a slice of imagination.

I do with that things wouldn't get slapped with an R rating just because they show some penis but are otherwise non-violent... there's a lot of violent PG-13 films that could've done with a higher rating... not sure why nudity is so much more offensive. I think seeing boobs is less likely to be traumatizing to a kid than seeing someone get dismantled by a shark... I had nightmares about those shark movies forever.

 

[John Doe]

John Doe: arrogance would be if, I was not aware of the flaws in my statement, which you so beautifully showed in my post, but there are things the lovely USA could learn from other nations that are so-called democratic. Cause I would not say democracy today in this world, is the democracy. I would call a democracy any where. But my statement still holds true. And I am fucking tired of censorship in the way USA, and UK are trying to shove it down in other peoples throat. Cause no body other than the Danes, are watching the three channels I am thinking off, any where else than than Denmark, and the reason is, they are in Danish. But perhaps a lucky Swede will be watching those three channels in either Malmö or in Helsingborg, because it is so close to Denmark. Or any other place in Sweden near Denmark.

And the three channel names are 4´eren, Kanal 5 and 6´eren

http://www.sbstv.dk/

JD: again your MPAA and ESRB rating system are also not always cool . But yes The Danes could learn a few things here and there from UK and USA, but I really do not like censorship.

I can mention a film, that is based on a whole series of Danish films, where the first one was written as a book (By Dennis Jügensen) long ago, got an American version this year named Love at First Hiccup (The First Time), and the Danish series, in Denmark was rated PG or something just as "soft", but Love at First Hiccup (The First Time) Got punched up by MPAA and ESRB to 18, and if you ask me. Then USA could , and should learn to take it more easy around tits and so forth when it comes to films like the Danes are. I could probably mention other examples. But if you ask me, then I basically want to give the finger to the British English Victorian BS censorship, and to the American censorship too. Cause handicapping a language is never a good thing. And oh yeah, I do like to speak a lovely language without curses and swear words. But I prefer having the option of cursing when I feel it is necessary and fitting.

You're commenting on things you know nothing about. The definition of arrogance for example. One doesn't need to be self-aware to be arrogant.


Another thing is your comment about censorship in relation to the US rating systems. It's either ignorant or dishonest. These systems do not seek to censor anything nor do they have such an effect. They are merely a guide for parents and others as to a title's potentially objectionable content. In fact they are self-imposed, meaning that the movie and video game industries voluntarily formed the rating systems to label their own titles. That's not censorship. The government does not (nor do the producers and distributors themselves for that matter) restrict who can and can not purchase titles with certain ratings. The only thing that might restrict a consumer's access to high-rated titles (Adult Only-rated games for example, which are recommended for those 18 years of age or older) is if a retailer chooses not to carry it.

 

[Wolfman1982]

Okay JD, I personally think it is still a fucked up system, whether it is censorship or not.

 

[John Doe]

Okay JD, I personally think it is still a fucked up system, whether it is censorship or not.

How do you really know whether you like it or not? You don't even know what it is.

 

[fuckmeat]

I think people can place too much emphasis on the film and TV industries. I read far more inappropriate stuff in books as a youngster than I ever watched on a screen and books are completely uncensored. No retailer is required to slap an 'explicit content' label on a novel and stick it on the top shelf. Also, to my mind, I see far more disturbing stuff browsing the net than you'd get in mainstream films. If you choose to watch a violent film, you expect the violence. When browsing stuff can be unexpectedly thrown at me that I find shocking or disturbing.

I think what bothers me most in modern media is that the pursuit of a gripping storyline has rendered happy, functioning long term relationships almost obsolete. Programming aimed at young people in particular credits them with the attention span of a goldfish with ADHD. In addition, GLBT relationships portrayed in TV shows and films always have a great deal of conflict and even violence surrounding them. Gay people are often shown as submersed in alternative lifetyles too, like they're all pill popping clubbers or suicidal emo-freaks. Where are the 'normal,' well adjusted young gay and bi people? Where are the media portayals of GLBT relationships that are stable, loving, faithful and long-standing? Maybe British TV is behind the times, I don't know. In TV and film now everything has to be 'gritty' 'realistic' and 'thought provoking.' A relationship that is successful, faithful and emotionally healthy is seen as utterly dull.

I don't think that's a good message.

 

[infinity706]

I'm not really sure, but most of the gay/lesbian couples I've seen portrayed are just like everyone else other than the fact that they fuck people of the same sex.

 

[Wolfman1982]

How do you really know whether you like it or not? You don't even know what it is.

What ever man, I am getting too tired to rebut you in your claims against mine. And mentioning other cases. But there are tons I could mention, but as I said. You and I agree to disagree.

 

[poledancer07]

what chaos

violence is crazy over here in america..............living in the uk...........sex was unshameful....violence was..............let's face it .............people are the sane where ever you go but beliefs really effect the society as a whole..............I am athiest .....proud of it....i love sex.......proud of it.........hate jack assess ..............reallly proud of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Wolfman1982]

A funny thing happened here today just before I saw the news on the Danish TV station DR1 (Danmarks/Denmarks Radio 1) there was a small spot about a theme they have on Saturday on their sister station named DR2, and it was about Robots and what. And there they had a film clip from Robocop where the "maker" of Robocop says to Robocop. "You are going to be a bad motherfucker". Well, If that had been in USA, at 19:00 it would have been something like this "you are going to be a bad mother******", but since it was Danmarks Radio, which is broadcasted from my own lovely country, it was this "You are going to be a bad motherfucker". So thank fucking goodness. For the true freedom of speech.

 

[John Doe]

What ever man, I am getting too tired to rebut you in your claims against mine. And mentioning other cases. But there are tons I could mention, but as I said. You and I agree to disagree.

No, but I will agree that you are an ignorant bigot.

 

[Wolfman1982]

No, but I will agree that you are an ignorant bigot.

hmmmm I disagree with that statement.

 

[kbate]

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[John Doe]

Here's my OPINION:

Movies, games and television (including the news) are meant to be entertaining looks at life - and extremism is necessary in order to make them worth seeing. Do you want to pay $15 to see someone drive to work, take two 15 minute breaks and a 30 minute lunch, then drive home after 8 hours to a TV dinner? Because that's the reality for most of America - and violence and sex it their way of dealing with the fact that their day to day life has little more excitement than when they run through a yellow light.

If you do not wish your or your family's lives to be influenced by media sex and violence - provide them with a life that makes such "unexciting". Really - if people were busy keeping their minds at work. A Book? outdoor activity? Anything but sitting in front of the box waiting for something else to "excite you".

Are you suggesting that a game won't keep your mind at work?

 

[kbate]

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[John Doe]

They do not - they eliminate the need for visualisation and imagination by providing all of the input. Did you learn something about the human experience by defeating Call of Duty? Did 800 hours on Guitar hero teach you to play a single song on a real guitar? Did watching scantily clad fantasy women with guns teach you how to find a date?

Video games and modern television are replacements for real life. I'd rather live my life than watch Hollywood's Beautiful People live dramatic but meaningless scripted lives on the tube.

I would not regulate or legislate against games or television - I just choose not to waste my time with them.

Guitar Hero is one of the most shallow games today. It's like holding up comic books as proof that reading is a waste of time...

But to answer your first question, yes I did, actually. Some games have a plot, you know.

A better argument is to say that books, films, TV and games work the mind in different ways. For example, games involve decision-making whereas the other three media tend to be passive. But it's silly to say that any of them simply do not work the mind at all. That's been proven untrue many times over.

 

[DarkBee]

Long live Dutch media, they had the balls to show Deep throat uncensored on public television (late in the evening of course, but still). Other shows, including children's shows, have had some nudity, and nobody ever batted an eyelid.

 

[Wolfman1982]

Long live Dutch media, they had the balls to show Deep throat uncensored on public television (late in the evening of course, but still). Other shows, including children's shows, have had some nudity, and nobody ever batted an eyelid.

Kanal København, used to show porn too (late at night of course), but thanks to my government there is no "Anal København" anymore.

Kanal København = Channel Copenhagen. And they were a public tv channel.

John Dorian to me, you are nothing more than an intelligent trawler.
Cause calling me ignorant and a bigot, is something I could prove you wrong with, but even the gods fight in vain against stupidity. So just like the gods, I choose to ignore your feeble attempts to make me pissed off. Cause you are not worth the effort.

kbate, and I have had our (stupid) fights / arguments in the past. But I gained my respect for her. Cause she is actually an awesome woman. But you are not even worth my respect at all.

 

[Wolfman1982]

Hmmm what did I discover today when I bought the DVD Gran Torino ? with Clint Eastwood with Danish subtitles and what not ?

Well I checked the Danish rating system, and lo and behold. It is allowed for a Danish child who is 11 years old to watch it, so thank goodness for some very laid back Danish mentality about censorship. Cause I would think over there, that film is probably for 18 year old people or some shit like that, when it comes to censorship.

Aaah it is good to be a Dane in Denmark

 

[John Doe]

Hmmm what did I discover today when I bought the DVD Gran Torino ? with Clint Eastwood with Danish subtitles and what not ?

Well I checked the Danish rating system, and lo and behold. It is allowed for a Danish child who is 11 years old to watch it, so thank goodness for some very laid back Danish mentality about censorship. Cause I would think over there, that film is probably for 18 year old people or some shit like that, when it comes to censorship.

Aaah it is good to be a Dane in Denmark

The rating of Gran Torino in the US (which is what I gather you meant by "over there") is R--Restricted (Under 17 requires accompanying by a parent or adult guardian).

So again, you're an ignorant bigot.

 

[Wolfman1982]

The rating of Gran Torino in the US (which is what I gather you meant by "over there") is R--Restricted (Under 17 requires accompanying by a parent or adult guardian).

So again, you're an ignorant bigot.

Give this man a hand

*people throws hands at him*

JD: go find another hobby, than just being the resident intelligent troll. Or be a real GLBT chatter member instead . Cause if you have read more posts from me, than just some a few of my posts, you will see. That I am right about what I saying, and not an ignorant bigot. Cause you are the one who needs to wake up, and see the world does not only turn around you, but it turns around every body else, and not just you. Of course you are the centre of the world, but then again, you are not the centre of my world, only the centre of your own world view. But calling me an ignorant bigot is just untrue. The thing that pisses you off, is me rolling my eyes about some things in USA, but do you know what ? a lot of the things are present in Denmark too. But you just do not get it at times. Also what pisses you off, is that I am telling the truth about USA influencing countries, about what "they" see as the correct way of things. And yes I do have American friends, and the reason why I have those friends are because they know I am NOT an ignorant bigot, like you are proclaiming I am.