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Just to update...I talked to my cousin Ziva and she told me airspace in Slovenija and Croatia has been shut down because of the ash.
UK can't fly today. The Icelandic Gods have spoken...
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From Yahoo News about the ash cloud:
The ash cloud is expected to hit the east coast of the US at 6pm and Canada this afternoon.
Og
Full report as at 11am BST (i.e. about 40 mins before this post)
The Royal Navy is to be deployed to help rescue Britons stranded abroad by flight restrictions.
With the UK no-fly zone being extended until 1am tomorrow, the Government says three ships could be used to help ferry travellers back home.
HMS Ocean will head to the Channel today and HMS Ark Royal will move "later" - with HMS Albion en route to Spain to pick up British soldiers.
Madrid may also be used as a hub for stranded tourists.
Mr Brown unveiled the measures after a meeting of the Government's emergency response Cobra committee.
"I talked to Prime Minister Zapatero and he has offered in principle use of Spanish airports as a hub to bring people back to Britain.
"And we are now looking if we can make the arrangements necessary, the transport arrangements that we will support as a government, coach, ferry and train to get people either from Madrid or another Spanish airport back to Britain," the Prime Minister said.
With pressure mounting to ease the flight restrictions, Mr Brown said passenger safety was "paramount".
Nats says the movement of the layers of the volcanic ash cloud over the UK "remained dynamic" and will provide an update at 3pm.
The Met Office says the risk of volcanic ash heading over the UK will continue until Friday, when the wind direction is expected to change.
However, Iceland's meteorological office says the new volcanic plume is lower and less of a threat to aircraft.
Germany and Italy have extended flight restrictions until 6pm - Italy this morning briefly reopened its airspace in the north only to shut it a short time later.
Denmark said it was opening its airspace above 35,500ft while the Czech Republic said its airspace would be open for 48 hours.
The ash cloud is expected to hit the east coast of the US at 6pm and Canada this afternoon.
Travel association Abta estimates around 150,000 Britons are stuck abroad.
Many of those on holiday over Easter were teachers and pressure is growing on the Government to get them back to the UK.
Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg, whose three sons are stranded in Spain, said he supported the Government's "wholly laudable" efforts to get people home.
First Choice and Thomson say they are launching rescue efforts to return 5,000 holidaymakers from the Spanish resorts of Alicante and Malaga, via train and ferries.
But pressure is mounting on European governments to ease the restrictions.
Around a third of Europe's civil flights are expected to get off the ground today, according to the intergovernmental Eurocontrol service.
The director-general of the airlines' trade body, the International Air Transport Association, described the European response as an "embarrassment" and said the flight ban was not based on "facts".
Giovanni Bisignani told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme: "This is a European embarrassment and it's a European mess. It took five days to organise a conference call with the ministers of transport.
"Europeans are still using a system that's based on a theoretical model, instead of taking a decision based on facts and risk assessment.
"This decision (to close airspace) has to be based on facts and supported by risk assessment. We need to replace this blanket approach with a practical approach."
Jim French, chief executive of Flybe, told Sky News the "blanket methodology" for the ban was incorrect and the Government would need to consider bailout packages for struggling airlines.
The IATA says the crisis is costing the industry £130m a day.
Data from the test flights will be considered today when European transport ministers are expected to hold a video conference.
The fall-out from the travel crisis continues to be felt.
A toddler is in a life-threatening condition in hospital after her bone marrow transplant was delayed because of the flight ban.
The little girl, who cannot be named, was said to be in an "extremely vulnerable state" as restrictions remained.
They have prevented critical treatment arriving from a donor in Canada - her only hope of survival.
Former prime minister Tony Blair became the latest high-profile victim of the volcano.
Mr Blair is currently in Israel but was expected back in Britain this weekend.
The ash cloud is expected to hit the east coast of the US at 6pm and Canada this afternoon.
Og
Full report as at 11am BST (i.e. about 40 mins before this post)
The Royal Navy is to be deployed to help rescue Britons stranded abroad by flight restrictions.
With the UK no-fly zone being extended until 1am tomorrow, the Government says three ships could be used to help ferry travellers back home.
HMS Ocean will head to the Channel today and HMS Ark Royal will move "later" - with HMS Albion en route to Spain to pick up British soldiers.
Madrid may also be used as a hub for stranded tourists.
Mr Brown unveiled the measures after a meeting of the Government's emergency response Cobra committee.
"I talked to Prime Minister Zapatero and he has offered in principle use of Spanish airports as a hub to bring people back to Britain.
"And we are now looking if we can make the arrangements necessary, the transport arrangements that we will support as a government, coach, ferry and train to get people either from Madrid or another Spanish airport back to Britain," the Prime Minister said.
With pressure mounting to ease the flight restrictions, Mr Brown said passenger safety was "paramount".
Nats says the movement of the layers of the volcanic ash cloud over the UK "remained dynamic" and will provide an update at 3pm.
The Met Office says the risk of volcanic ash heading over the UK will continue until Friday, when the wind direction is expected to change.
However, Iceland's meteorological office says the new volcanic plume is lower and less of a threat to aircraft.
Germany and Italy have extended flight restrictions until 6pm - Italy this morning briefly reopened its airspace in the north only to shut it a short time later.
Denmark said it was opening its airspace above 35,500ft while the Czech Republic said its airspace would be open for 48 hours.
The ash cloud is expected to hit the east coast of the US at 6pm and Canada this afternoon.
Travel association Abta estimates around 150,000 Britons are stuck abroad.
Many of those on holiday over Easter were teachers and pressure is growing on the Government to get them back to the UK.
Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg, whose three sons are stranded in Spain, said he supported the Government's "wholly laudable" efforts to get people home.
First Choice and Thomson say they are launching rescue efforts to return 5,000 holidaymakers from the Spanish resorts of Alicante and Malaga, via train and ferries.
But pressure is mounting on European governments to ease the restrictions.
Around a third of Europe's civil flights are expected to get off the ground today, according to the intergovernmental Eurocontrol service.
The director-general of the airlines' trade body, the International Air Transport Association, described the European response as an "embarrassment" and said the flight ban was not based on "facts".
Giovanni Bisignani told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme: "This is a European embarrassment and it's a European mess. It took five days to organise a conference call with the ministers of transport.
"Europeans are still using a system that's based on a theoretical model, instead of taking a decision based on facts and risk assessment.
"This decision (to close airspace) has to be based on facts and supported by risk assessment. We need to replace this blanket approach with a practical approach."
Jim French, chief executive of Flybe, told Sky News the "blanket methodology" for the ban was incorrect and the Government would need to consider bailout packages for struggling airlines.
The IATA says the crisis is costing the industry £130m a day.
Data from the test flights will be considered today when European transport ministers are expected to hold a video conference.
The fall-out from the travel crisis continues to be felt.
A toddler is in a life-threatening condition in hospital after her bone marrow transplant was delayed because of the flight ban.
The little girl, who cannot be named, was said to be in an "extremely vulnerable state" as restrictions remained.
They have prevented critical treatment arriving from a donor in Canada - her only hope of survival.
Former prime minister Tony Blair became the latest high-profile victim of the volcano.
Mr Blair is currently in Israel but was expected back in Britain this weekend.
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Oh my God...
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Test flight OK?
A British Airways Boeing 747 has completed a successful test flight in "perfect" conditions and without encountering any difficulties.
The jumbo jet, carrying BA chief Willie Walsh, took off from Heathrow Airport at 5.55pm on Sunday before flying 550 miles due west of Cardiff, landing at Cardiff Airport in south Wales at 8.41pm. [Og's note - Sunday]
The flight, which took the aircraft out over the Atlantic Ocean, lasted two hours and 46 minutes.
A BA spokesman said: "The conditions were perfect and the aircraft encountered no difficulties. It will now undergo a full technical analysis at British Airways' engineering base at Cardiff."
He added: "Initially it ascended to 10,000 feet, then increased altitude in stages of 5,000 feet, remaining for five minutes at each level before reaching 40,000 feet," a spokesman said.
The British flag carrier was among a handful of European airlines which sent up aircraft on test flights yesterday. BA said the trip had been staged "in line with action taken by other European airlines".
Dutch carrier KLM has also revealed it had flown a plane through the cloud of volcanic ash in Dutch airspace without suffering any damage.
Air France, Lufthansa and Austrian Airlines have also sent up test flights, although most travelled below the altitudes where the ash has been heavily concentrated.
A British Airways Boeing 747 has completed a successful test flight in "perfect" conditions and without encountering any difficulties.
The jumbo jet, carrying BA chief Willie Walsh, took off from Heathrow Airport at 5.55pm on Sunday before flying 550 miles due west of Cardiff, landing at Cardiff Airport in south Wales at 8.41pm. [Og's note - Sunday]
The flight, which took the aircraft out over the Atlantic Ocean, lasted two hours and 46 minutes.
A BA spokesman said: "The conditions were perfect and the aircraft encountered no difficulties. It will now undergo a full technical analysis at British Airways' engineering base at Cardiff."
He added: "Initially it ascended to 10,000 feet, then increased altitude in stages of 5,000 feet, remaining for five minutes at each level before reaching 40,000 feet," a spokesman said.
The British flag carrier was among a handful of European airlines which sent up aircraft on test flights yesterday. BA said the trip had been staged "in line with action taken by other European airlines".
Dutch carrier KLM has also revealed it had flown a plane through the cloud of volcanic ash in Dutch airspace without suffering any damage.
Air France, Lufthansa and Austrian Airlines have also sent up test flights, although most travelled below the altitudes where the ash has been heavily concentrated.
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16 April image from NASA:
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/imagerecords/43000/43684/Germany_TMO_2010106.jpg
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Latest on the flight restrictions
'Allow us to resume flying' - BA
ITN news 7 mins ago [i.e. about 3pm BST]
Analysis of British Airways' trial flight through parts of the no-fly zone has revealed that the current restrictions on air travel may be too severe.
After performing tests, BA said analysis of the flight had revealed "no variations in the aircraft's normal operational performance".
BA chief executive Willie Walsh joined a flight crew on board a Boeing 747 test flight that set out on Sunday evening from Heathrow and went out into the Atlantic before landing safely at Cardiff.
The aircraft's "black box" flight data recorders showed that all four engines had performed "without fault for the duration of the flight". The aircraft flew as high as 40,000ft during a flight nearly three hours long.
Mr Walsh said :"The analysis we have done so far, alongside that from other airlines' trial flights, provides fresh evidence that the current blanket restrictions on airspace are unnecessary.
"We believe airlines are best positioned to assess all available information and determine what, if any, risk exists to aircraft, crew and passengers. We call on the Government urgently to adopt new policies that would allow us to resume flying."
'Allow us to resume flying' - BA
ITN news 7 mins ago [i.e. about 3pm BST]
Analysis of British Airways' trial flight through parts of the no-fly zone has revealed that the current restrictions on air travel may be too severe.
After performing tests, BA said analysis of the flight had revealed "no variations in the aircraft's normal operational performance".
BA chief executive Willie Walsh joined a flight crew on board a Boeing 747 test flight that set out on Sunday evening from Heathrow and went out into the Atlantic before landing safely at Cardiff.
The aircraft's "black box" flight data recorders showed that all four engines had performed "without fault for the duration of the flight". The aircraft flew as high as 40,000ft during a flight nearly three hours long.
Mr Walsh said :"The analysis we have done so far, alongside that from other airlines' trial flights, provides fresh evidence that the current blanket restrictions on airspace are unnecessary.
"We believe airlines are best positioned to assess all available information and determine what, if any, risk exists to aircraft, crew and passengers. We call on the Government urgently to adopt new policies that would allow us to resume flying."
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Flight ban being lifted - slightly
Flight ban to be lifted
ITN News 30 mins ago
Flights will finally start again in the UK on Tuesday after air traffic control company Nats lifted restrictions for Scotland and part of northern England.
After days without any flights above the UK due to volcanic ash, Nats said that Scottish airspace, and airspace in northern England north of a line between Teesside and Blackpool, will open at 7am on Tuesday.
It is hoped that restrictions over the rest of England and Wales will be lifted later on Tuesday, Nats said.
Nats said: "The volcanic eruption has reduced and the volcano is not currently emitting ash to altitudes that will affect the UK. Assuming there are no further significant ash emissions, we are now looking at a continuously improving situation.
"This is a dynamic and changing situation and is therefore difficult to forecast beyond 7am tomorrow.
"However, the latest Met Office advice is that the contaminated area will continue to move south, with the possibility that restrictions to airspace above England and Wales, including the London area, may be lifted later tomorrow.
Flight ban to be lifted
ITN News 30 mins ago
Flights will finally start again in the UK on Tuesday after air traffic control company Nats lifted restrictions for Scotland and part of northern England.
After days without any flights above the UK due to volcanic ash, Nats said that Scottish airspace, and airspace in northern England north of a line between Teesside and Blackpool, will open at 7am on Tuesday.
It is hoped that restrictions over the rest of England and Wales will be lifted later on Tuesday, Nats said.
Nats said: "The volcanic eruption has reduced and the volcano is not currently emitting ash to altitudes that will affect the UK. Assuming there are no further significant ash emissions, we are now looking at a continuously improving situation.
"This is a dynamic and changing situation and is therefore difficult to forecast beyond 7am tomorrow.
"However, the latest Met Office advice is that the contaminated area will continue to move south, with the possibility that restrictions to airspace above England and Wales, including the London area, may be lifted later tomorrow.
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Some recent tests by the Finnish reveal that the ash is bloody dangerous. A boroscope shoved into the engine of an F18 revealed severe damage to some critical surfaces. THey didn't spend long in the ash cloud.
As an aside, a pal of mine is stuck in Cyprus. at a cost of £75 a day.
As an aside, a pal of mine is stuck in Cyprus. at a cost of £75 a day.
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http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Ne...s+remain+stranded+overseas/2924136/story.html
Strange...there is conflicting news reports concerning a new outbursh of ash and other reports saying some flights will resume....?
ami
Strange...there is conflicting news reports concerning a new outbursh of ash and other reports saying some flights will resume....?
ami
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It all depends on the wind direction. If the wind blows the ash away from Europe then aircraft can fly.
If the wind blows away for some of the time and then returns to blowing the ash over Europe then there is a window of opportunity for flights to resume temporarily.
If the wind shifts significantly AND the volcano continues to throw out ASH and not lava, then Canada and the US could have similar problems.
At its height, the volcano is throwing out 500 tonnes of ash a minute.
If it changes, as it should, to spewing lava instead of ash, then flying will be feasible.
Og
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Here we go again...
Sky News an hour ago...
Flights to and from Ireland may be cancelled tomorrow as volcanic ash from Iceland drifts across the country.
The Irish Aviation Authority (IAA) has told Irish-based airlines it is concerned that airports in Ireland may be impacted by the drift south of the cloud.
It said current information from the Volcanic Ash Advice Centre (VAAC) suggest a no-fly zone may have to be imposed affecting Dublin, Shannon and some regional airports.
The authority says it will make a decision by 8.30pm.
Flights passing over Ireland from the UK and Europe are not expected to be affected.
It is believed the ash cloud, currently heading towards Donegal in the north west of the country, could move across the country with north-easterly winds.
"The latest information we have is that some of the denser volcanic ash, that's the no-fly zone, is over the Donegal area," IAA's chief executive Eamon Brennan told RTE radio.
"We are concerned about the north-easterly winds moving this down over the rest of the country."
He went on: "At the moment we have a slither of denser ash over the midlands and if this continues for the next number of hours we have no option, based on the new regime imposed in Europe last week, except to impose a no-fly zone and a 60-mile buffer zone which would effectively close Shannon and Dublin airports."
Mr Brennan said even though emissions from the volcano have been low over the last number of days, the cloud which has drifted south could impact on Ireland and the western part of the Scottish Isles.
He revealed the plume is sitting 20,000 feet over parts of the country, adding that weather conditions are not favourable.
Hundreds of thousands of travellers were left stranded last month when European airspace was closed for almost a week after eruptions from Iceland's Eyjafjallajokull volcano.
Sky News an hour ago...
Flights to and from Ireland may be cancelled tomorrow as volcanic ash from Iceland drifts across the country.
The Irish Aviation Authority (IAA) has told Irish-based airlines it is concerned that airports in Ireland may be impacted by the drift south of the cloud.
It said current information from the Volcanic Ash Advice Centre (VAAC) suggest a no-fly zone may have to be imposed affecting Dublin, Shannon and some regional airports.
The authority says it will make a decision by 8.30pm.
Flights passing over Ireland from the UK and Europe are not expected to be affected.
It is believed the ash cloud, currently heading towards Donegal in the north west of the country, could move across the country with north-easterly winds.
"The latest information we have is that some of the denser volcanic ash, that's the no-fly zone, is over the Donegal area," IAA's chief executive Eamon Brennan told RTE radio.
"We are concerned about the north-easterly winds moving this down over the rest of the country."
He went on: "At the moment we have a slither of denser ash over the midlands and if this continues for the next number of hours we have no option, based on the new regime imposed in Europe last week, except to impose a no-fly zone and a 60-mile buffer zone which would effectively close Shannon and Dublin airports."
Mr Brennan said even though emissions from the volcano have been low over the last number of days, the cloud which has drifted south could impact on Ireland and the western part of the Scottish Isles.
He revealed the plume is sitting 20,000 feet over parts of the country, adding that weather conditions are not favourable.
Hundreds of thousands of travellers were left stranded last month when European airspace was closed for almost a week after eruptions from Iceland's Eyjafjallajokull volcano.
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I guess you're going to have to find another virgin to toss into the Icelandic volcano. You do have a second virgin somewhere, right?
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I guess you're going to have to find another virgin to toss into the Icelandic volcano. You do have a second virgin somewhere, right?
Gonna take a while to find one, I fear.
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I wonder if a virgin sheep would do.
But on second thought, in some areas that might be harder to find than a human virgin.
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I wonder if a virgin sheep would do.
But on second thought, in some areas that might be harder to find than a human virgin.
I wonder if the Icelandic Deities would be happy with a few politicians? We have an election real soon and there may be some blood in the water afterwards. I'm sure we can ditch a few into the Volcano as a calming measure.
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I wonder if the Icelandic Deities would be happy with a few politicians? We have an election real soon and there may be some blood in the water afterwards. I'm sure we can ditch a few into the Volcano as a calming measure.
I think that might irritate the volcano more than it already is.
Failed politicians are no use to anyone.
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Anyone for sea travel?
Reuters:
Airports in Ireland and parts of Britain were closed again for hours on Tuesday because of the cloud of volcanic ash drifting south from Iceland that wreaked havoc on European air travel last month.
Flights in much of continental Europe were operating as normal and the Irish Aviation Authority (IAA) said it would allow flights to resume from Irish airports from 1 p.m. British time (1200 GMT) after a closure lasting six hours.
However, the IAA said northerly winds forecast for the coming days could bring more clouds of ash from the Icelandic eruption and disruption for passengers this week.
"We could be faced with this periodically during the summer," IAA Chief Executive Eamonn Brennan said. "We are probably facing a summer of uncertainty due to this ash cloud."
The IAA had closed airports from 0600 GMT until 1200 GMT due to risk of ash ingestion in aircraft engines, although overflights of Ireland from Britain and continental Europe had not been banned.
Britain's National Air Traffic Services (NATS) said a no-fly zone was in place in the west of Scotland and Northern Ireland, from 0700 (0600 GMT) until at least 1300 (1200 GMT).
European flights overall were expected to be at almost normal levels on Tuesday, European air traffic agency Eurocontrol said.
On a typical weekday, just under 200 flights would be expected in and out of Ireland, compared with around 28,000 throughout Europe, a spokeswoman said.
EARNINGS HIT
However, fresh ash from the erupting volcano could cloud airspace over northern Britain for the next few days following a change in direction of the wind, Iceland's meteorological office said.
Much of European air traffic was grounded last month because of the spread of ash from an erupting volcano under the Eyjafjallajokull glacier in Iceland. Some 100,000 flights were cancelled and millions of passengers stranded.
The air space closures cost Europe's airlines 1.5 billion to 2.5 billion euros, the European Commission has estimated.
Former Irish state airline Aer Lingus said that last month's closures lasting several days cut its earnings by about 20 million euros (17 million pounds), with the final bill dependent on the impact on passengers' longer-term travel plans.
Shares in Aer Lingus which also separately reported encouraging first-quarter trading on Tuesday, dropped 2.7 percent by 1008 GMT, while Ryanair, which is much less dependent on the Irish market, dropped 1.4 percent.
Airlines Air France-KLM, British Airways, Iberia and Lufthansa were between 1.3 and 3.5 percent weaker, in a lower overall market.
"While the current airspace restrictions are likely to be brief, we can't rule out persistent sporadic air travel disruptions in parts of Europe going forward depending on ash cloud movement," Deutsche Bank commodities analyst Michael Lewis said.
(Additional reporting by Marie-Louise Gumuchian in Dublin, Michael Holden and Caroline Copley in London, Philip Blenkinsop in Brussels and Maria Sheahan in Frankfurt; editing by David Stamp)
Reuters:
Airports in Ireland and parts of Britain were closed again for hours on Tuesday because of the cloud of volcanic ash drifting south from Iceland that wreaked havoc on European air travel last month.
Flights in much of continental Europe were operating as normal and the Irish Aviation Authority (IAA) said it would allow flights to resume from Irish airports from 1 p.m. British time (1200 GMT) after a closure lasting six hours.
However, the IAA said northerly winds forecast for the coming days could bring more clouds of ash from the Icelandic eruption and disruption for passengers this week.
"We could be faced with this periodically during the summer," IAA Chief Executive Eamonn Brennan said. "We are probably facing a summer of uncertainty due to this ash cloud."
The IAA had closed airports from 0600 GMT until 1200 GMT due to risk of ash ingestion in aircraft engines, although overflights of Ireland from Britain and continental Europe had not been banned.
Britain's National Air Traffic Services (NATS) said a no-fly zone was in place in the west of Scotland and Northern Ireland, from 0700 (0600 GMT) until at least 1300 (1200 GMT).
European flights overall were expected to be at almost normal levels on Tuesday, European air traffic agency Eurocontrol said.
On a typical weekday, just under 200 flights would be expected in and out of Ireland, compared with around 28,000 throughout Europe, a spokeswoman said.
EARNINGS HIT
However, fresh ash from the erupting volcano could cloud airspace over northern Britain for the next few days following a change in direction of the wind, Iceland's meteorological office said.
Much of European air traffic was grounded last month because of the spread of ash from an erupting volcano under the Eyjafjallajokull glacier in Iceland. Some 100,000 flights were cancelled and millions of passengers stranded.
The air space closures cost Europe's airlines 1.5 billion to 2.5 billion euros, the European Commission has estimated.
Former Irish state airline Aer Lingus said that last month's closures lasting several days cut its earnings by about 20 million euros (17 million pounds), with the final bill dependent on the impact on passengers' longer-term travel plans.
Shares in Aer Lingus which also separately reported encouraging first-quarter trading on Tuesday, dropped 2.7 percent by 1008 GMT, while Ryanair, which is much less dependent on the Irish market, dropped 1.4 percent.
Airlines Air France-KLM, British Airways, Iberia and Lufthansa were between 1.3 and 3.5 percent weaker, in a lower overall market.
"While the current airspace restrictions are likely to be brief, we can't rule out persistent sporadic air travel disruptions in parts of Europe going forward depending on ash cloud movement," Deutsche Bank commodities analyst Michael Lewis said.
(Additional reporting by Marie-Louise Gumuchian in Dublin, Michael Holden and Caroline Copley in London, Philip Blenkinsop in Brussels and Maria Sheahan in Frankfurt; editing by David Stamp)
