The Fourth Kind

[AllardChardon]

Has anyone seen this movie about alien abduction? It is excellent due to the actual footage from the hypnosis sessions by Dr. Tyler on her patients in Nome, Alaska. Made me shudder and still does.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

All of which doesn't mean that it really happened, just that the patients firmly believe it did. Poor, deluded souls.

 

[AllardChardon]

Did you see the movie, Bear? If not, then why comment on their delusion since it levitated them off the bed without permission and caused great bodily harm for one patient. All recorded on actual tape. This is beyond your delusion theory, my friend.

 

[AllardChardon]

Okay, peeps are looking but no replies at this point.

I must get a few things done this morning, but before I go, this is what I found the most interesting aspect of this film; the alien's voice was recorded and it was speaking ancient Sumerian. They brought in an expert to confirm this and he translated as as many words as possible, seen as subtitles on the bottom of the actual footage.

Now, THAT is very interesting to me!

 

[bronzeage]

I fucking hate extra terrestrial aliens. They make a mess and never clean up after themselves.

Levitating without permission was the last straw. I told them that next time they were on the planet to find someplace else to crash for the weekend.

 

[jomar]

I have not, but you are looking quite probeable!

 

[Stella_Omega]

I fucking hate extra terrestrial aliens. They make a mess and never clean up after themselves.

Levitating without permission was the last straw. I told them that next time they were on the planet to find someplace else to crash for the weekend.

You owe me for the damage they did to my roof, then.

 

[3113]

Did you see the movie, Bear? If not, then why comment on their delusion

If you don't want people commenting on this delusion, then I wouldn't make mention of such films here. Unlike you, we tend to question the veracity of such things. You really need to post this on an ET forum where everyone has probably seen the film, loved it, shuddered with you, and wouldn't dream of questioning it.

since it levitated them off the bed without permission and caused great bodily harm for one patient. All recorded on actual tape. This is beyond your delusion theory, my friend.

Is it beyond his delusion theory? If it really happened. I mean REALLY happened and the tapes are valid and not tricks (my brother works in CGI. He can make you believe all sorts of things recorded on tape with an iMac and few hours work), IF these tapes and such have been given over to reputable scientists, magicians, and filmmakers to verify them as at least possible if not undeniably real...Why haven't the results appeared in reputable science journals? On the news? Evidence that supports that these patients got their bodily harm, etc. from an encounter with an genuine ET would be big news for our planet.

Whether we see the film or not, we are allowed to question it's veracity if the evidence it presents of ET's has not been verified by scientific method and been reported in scientific journals. If these reputable journals (which I and others here do read) do report that there is validity in what this movie shows, then I will happily go to see it. As a sci-fi writer, I'm very interested in first contact. But as a sci-fi writer, I also know how fucking hard it's going to be for aliens to find our planet and visit it--how very unlikely it is. So I'm not going to take a film showing levitation or bodily harm to someone as validity of aliens. I need a lot more hard, and scientifically verified evidence that it's happened before I get out the "Welcome ET's!" banner.

 

[bronzeage]

You owe me for the damage they did to my roof, then.

I would have called if I had your number

but when they said they were headed over to your place, I assumed you had invited them.

 

[stephen55]

I have zero belief in alien abductions. I have zero belief that aliens are visiting earth, abducting some of us or not. I have zero belief that someone can levitate up off a bed, aided by aliens or not.

There certainly are people who can translate Sumerian. There are people who can translate Egyptian hieroglyphics, Mayan glyphs and Nordic Runes. A voice on a tape speaking in what appears to be ancient Sumerian can be a human voice, an alien voice or a computer generated voice. I'll go with human on this one.

I haven't seen the movie yet but I did pick this up on IMDB (Internet Movie Data Base)...

According to promotional materials from Universal, the film is framed around a psychologist named Abigail Tyler who interviewed traumatized patients in Nome. However Alaska state licensing examiner Jan Mays says she can't find records of an Abigail Tyler ever being licensed in any profession in Alaska. Ron Adler, CEO and director of the Alaska Psychiatric Institute and Denise Dillard, president of the Alaska Psychological Association say they've never heard of Abigail Tyler. Web sites for an "Alaska Psychiatry Journal" and "Alaska News Archive" containing references to Tyler were created by the film's producers, but were outed as hoaxes when it was discovered they were registered a month before the film's release and the purported author of one of the archived news articles stated she had never written it.

The movie's hoaxed interviews have angered the families of real missing persons in and around Nome, Alaska, for trivializing their loss. Melanie Edwards, Vice President of Kawerak Inc (an organization representing tribal peoples in Alaska) described the movie as "insensitive to family members of people who have gone missing in Nome over the years". Universal has refused to discuss the movie with that organization or with local journalists.

The real Nome is 51% native Alaskan, but there are no indigenous characters in the film (at least none stated to be).

The end credits do not include the usual "The events and persons depicted in this film are fictitious..." or "The film is based on the real events..." section.

So I'm going to go with the idea that this movie is simply fiction. I'll be watching it later today and if I see anything that changes my mind, I'll report back.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

. . . the alien's voice was recorded and it was speaking ancient Sumerian. They brought in an expert to confirm this and he translated as as many words as possible, seen as subtitles on the bottom of the actual footage.

All right, that's all it takes to scream "HOAX, HOAX!!" While it is true that we can read cuneiform script, that is done using code-breaking techniques. Ancient Sumerian is a dead language, has been for millennia. No one alive today has the foggiest what it sounded like and anyone who claims to be an 'expert' and proposes to translate a spoken language while claiming it's 'Sumerian' or Babylonian or Ancient Egyptian is a fraud. End of subject.

 

[JMaxwell69]

It was on my list to see, but I never did. I assume it's out of video now. I don't particularly believe in abductions, but they make for some interesting story lines. I enjoyed reading a couple of Whitley Streiber's books, most recently "Grays".

I don't necessarily believe or disbelieve in aliens, but need physics that plausibly explain how they get here. It is arguable that in a universe as vast as ours and with no particularly unique conditions in our solar system that life must be out there, and, anthropic principle aside, it strikes me as arrogant to think we are the most or only intelligence.

Of course, as in the "Hitchhiker's Guide" we may yet find that we are not the most intelligent creature even on our own planet. Watch out for the mice, they may be more of a threat than Gray's with anal probes.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Actually, if you research the subject thoroughly, our solar system is quite unusual. I don't feel like going into it in detail but should you have the interest, the anthropic principle, ego-satisfying as it may be, begins to make a modest amount of sense.

 

[3113]

All right, that's all it takes to scream "HOAX, HOAX!!" While it is true that we can read cuneiform script, that is done using code-breaking techniques. Ancient Sumerian is a dead language, has been for millennia. No one alive today has the foggiest what it sounded like and anyone who claims to be an 'expert' and proposes to translate a spoken language while claiming it's 'Sumerian' or Babylonian or Ancient Egyptian is a fraud. End of subject.

Actually, the real end of the subject is this: Fourth Kind is, evidently, a "Blair Witch" project type movie (filmed in Bulgaria, Canada and Los Angeles, by the way, not Nome Alaska).

Here's the actor who played the "Expert" who translates Summerian (like anyone in the audience would be able to tell if it was/was not Summerian! ).

Okay, Allard you can stop pulling our leg.

 

[Pure]

but,

but, allardch, they are already here!... no need at all to propose 'abductions.' of course a lot of people have weird experiences in dealing with these folks, lose consciousness and so on. but 'abduction' like 'flying saucers' is simply the wrong paradigm to apply. being here, is much simpler/


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The Illuminati Empire freely moves trillions of dollars around daily, believes Icke, as he nonchalantly dismisses theories of economic cycles. He argues that the Illuminati rule using trauma-based mind control.

"What they do to change society from what it is to what they want it to be is [by] creating events that cause chaos and disruption so that they can offer the solution to that [problem]. This results in a society created in their image," he explains.

Those in power aren't actually human beings, Icke believes. Rather, they are fourth-dimensional entities with reptilian DNA that move in and out of human history with the ability to "shape shift," that is, to take the form of prominent human beings in positions of power in order to orchestrate events to facilitate their objectives.

"[T]he extraterrestrials are not coming, they're not going to invade, they've actually been controlling this planet, increasingly, for thousands of years," maintains Icke.

Icke believes such entities need to consume human blood in order to maintain their human forms. In order to accommodate this need, dominant bloodline families perform rituals of human sacrifice. Icke claims to have exclusive evidence and has implicated several top US officials, past and present, in these ceremonies.

All conflict in the world is staged, used merely as a means for the Illuminati to accumulate energy through human fear, according to Icke. All the world is under one ruler, he states, and countries are merely pitted against each other to instil terror and generate energy. He charges the Holocaust as being Jew-initiated, the wars of Bosnia and Kosovo as being UN-sponsored and the Oklahoma City bombing as a design of the US government, claiming they all are part of the master plan.

 

[AllardChardon]

Granted I should have posted to the ET crowd, not that I realized there was one, and would have gotten a better response. But that is like preaching to the choir, yes? I noted that the Sumerian expert did not endorse the film at the end. If this ends up being a Blair Witch deal, then I am a gullible ass. Parts of this movie impressed me and Blair never did.

Thank you all for your input, whether you agree or not. I found the movie worth discussing and I am glad a few of you did too.

Regarding the messes aliens leave behind, I think the movie District 9 dealt with that problem. LOL

 

[AllardChardon]

Thank you for your post, Pure. You get my drift exactly and have restored my faith in some of the folks at AH!!!

 

[Bobby_3111]

Ya it was just a sci-fi movie, all the footage from the *actual events* was all fake.

Here's the interviewer in the university footage - http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1069989/

No seems to have found out who the actor was portaying Abby Tyler yet though.

I also read somewhere universal came out and said it wasnt real, just cant remember what news site it was on atm.

 

[Handley_Page]

All right, that's all it takes to scream "HOAX, HOAX!!" While it is true that we can read cuneiform script, that is done using code-breaking techniques. Ancient Sumerian is a dead language, has been for millennia. No one alive today has the foggiest what it sounded like and anyone who claims to be an 'expert' and proposes to translate a spoken language while claiming it's 'Sumerian' or Babylonian or Ancient Egyptian is a fraud. End of subject.

As far as I know Philology is not quite the same as code-breaking, but I get your point, I think.

I think we can get pretty close to what an ancient language (particularly Egyptian) because some of the languages share a common root that is, perhaps known (In Egypt's case, I think it was Coptic, still spoken today.)
"Sumerian" (and Akkadian) are cuneiform script, and the only thing that's changed is the way it's written (apparently).
I think it's worth cutting a little slack with that bit.

 

[AllardChardon]

Well, my interest in aliens came through the works of Shirley McLaine, who worked with a gentle race from the Plieades, or seven sisters in the sky.

I then read another book, Bringers of the Dawn, again from the Plieadians, who talked explicitly about the Reptilians.

Since, then movies dating back like the Betty and Barney Hill story and Fire in the Sky got my interest.

However the makers of The Fourth Kind mimicked an alien speaking Sumerian, it gave me pause. And fit in perfectly with what Bringers talked about.

Does anyone remember that TV Movie of the 80s about babies being abducted before full term of nine months? I cannot remember the name and I want to see if it is on DVD.

 

[cloudy]

At the risk of sounding unkind, I think you're more than a tad gullible.

Books are written to sell, just like movies, and they prey on those, like you, who want to believe.

Read them, or see them, for entertainment, which is all those things are.

 

[AllardChardon]

My four grown children say the same thing. I keep saying, "We shall see."

The only thing that did give peace and some comfort too was the idea that the Reptilians lease on earth expires in 2012, and that is what that is all about. Once released from their need for fear and anger to exist, humans will experience true freedom. For this reason, I remain interested.

 

[cloudy]

Yeah, okay. Whatever.

I don't see how it could be comforting to believe that blood-sucking reptiles have a "lease" on the earth, but whatever floats your boat.

However, that's moving from the realm of "gullible" to "there's a sucker born every minute."

 

[AllardChardon]

We shall see, 2012 is just around the corner.

And thank you for the lovely compliment, Cloudy, of calling me a sucker, I am that, too, and I specialize in cocks.

 

[cloudy]

I suppose we shall.

Actually, your thinking fascinates me, as in what would make someone believe in things so readily that there is no evidence of?

Is your reality that bad that you have to come up with alternate reality theories? I honestly want to know.

My life is good, overall. I don't feel the need to believe in outlandish theories. Reality holds no terrors for me, so I don't understand what lead you to believe these things. Could you enlighten me?