I Hate Valentines Day

[LaRocha]

Thank you for the answers LaRocha, for a little insight into you. Are we near sighted? Nothing but black and white? Artists are not limited sonny, or defined solely by individual pieces. There is a bigger picture, yaaaa know.

I do enjoy other opinions. The person, really doesn't have to matter to me.

But you are turning me on. :caning: You're such a victim!

The Blues is about a man being victimized and feeling victimized. I'm more of a bluesman than someone who's lyrics consist of "One pair of candy lips and bubblegum tongue". I know what Robert Johnson is talking about in "Love in Vain". NWA would say John Mayer's rapping for the pop charts.

 

[Freefall_mc]

This particular Feb. 14 included Chinese New Year (go year of the Tiger!) AND a three-day weekend because of President's day. It was the chance of a lifetime (because such overlap doesn't happen often) to ignore Valentine's in favor of two other holidays.

You ought to have had some Chinese food and watched a documentary on Abe Lincoln

Thee, that does sound good.

I personally need refinement and education. *I'm guessing 3113 is beyond me in both.*
Guess I'll grab a blanket for company.

 

[Freefall_mc]

The Blues is about a man being victimized and feeling victimized. I'm more of a bluesman then someone who's lyrics consist of "One pair of candy lips and bubblegum tongue". I know what Robert Johnson is talking about in "Love in Vain". NWA would say John Mayer's rapping for the pop charts.

And all country artists still sing about their truck breaking down, their woman leaving them, and their dog dying. Right

Broaden your scope hon. My guess is you're missing out on a lot being busy contradicting yourself.

I enjoy some of your posts, even when I see a different viewpoint. But that doesn't mean I should categorize your personality strictly by one. Should I?

 

[LaRocha]

And all country artists still sing about their truck breaking down, their woman leaving them, and their dog dying. Right

Broaden your scope hon. My guess is you're missing out on a lot being busy contradicting yourself.

I enjoy some of your posts, even when I see a different viewpoint. But that doesn't mean I should categorize your personality strictly by one. Should I?

You have StellaOmega syndrome. You only say I'm not doing "philosophy" or "being rational" or that I'm "contradicting myself". Examples never come forth to show what I'm accused of. Then the next response is: "I haven't the time, I'm too busy to correct you." Yet, you take the time to read, think about, and comment on my posts.

 

[TheeGoatPig]

This particular Feb. 14 included Chinese New Year (go year of the Tiger!) AND a three-day weekend because of President's day. It was the chance of a lifetime (because such overlap doesn't happen often) to ignore Valentine's in favor of two other holidays.

You ought to have had some Chinese food and watched a documentary on Abe Lincoln

Three day weekend? Not me...

 

[Katyusha]

My apologies in return. But just from my experience I've never encountered a female who was in a relationship who didn't think it was some kind of deal, however small. The only females claiming it wasn't a deal were ones who were single or forgotten by their SO.

Maybe you'd think it was a big deal if your hubby made it a big deal. Shame on him for not treating you right after 30 years of marriage and kids and all that.

I posted my opinion about Valentine's Day. Whether or not it has anything to do with my personal life is not for you or anybody else here to determine, especially since you do not know me at all. Further, nowhere did I attack you personally or make assumptions about your life. I don't know you either, thus it would be childish and flat-out wrong to make such assumptions, so your behavior is not only unappreciated, it is highly uncalled for.

 

[Freefall_mc]

post #20 ...go read yourself

 

[LaRocha]

post #20 ...go read yourself

You quoted me saying,

"There is no objective reason to have brouhaha over any day, it's what we as people place as significant enough for celebration."

"If a female thinks it's special then you better make it fucking special or you'll pay the penalties. Suck it up, kiss her butt."

"Maybe you'd think it was a big deal if your hubby made it a big deal. Shame on him for not treating you right after 30 years of marriage and kids and all that."

Right? There's no other information we're working with, correct?

Human beings place value on certain days. Different human beings assign different values to those certain days.

This is beside the point, obviously observation and not part of the argument(though it certainly doesn't contradict)---> I've never met a female who didn't place any sort of positive value on Valentine's Day. I still haven't. If Katyushama's significant other paid her more attention she'd likely place value on Valentine's Day. She's already prepared herself for disappointment over the years, so she isn't disappointed on Valentine's Day. It's telling that she's posting on an "I Hate Valentines" thread on Valentine's, she's placed negative value on the day when all her friends place positive value.

There is no objective reason to place value on any day we celebrate currently, 'objective value' meaning everyone has to assign the same value to the same days and celebrations. I have to value the days my wife values, not because I value those days, but because I value her. If you read my first reply, I'm mentioning that it's really okay for Katyushama to place negative value to Valentine's Day. Since you could just as easily place that same value to Christmas or any other national celebration.

 

[Freefall_mc]

Hmm...Kat didn't display any negative connotations that I could see.
*rubbing eyes*

 

[Liar]

You ought to have had some Chinese food and watched a documentary on Abe Lincoln

I had a burger and read a book about the Xia dynasty.

 

[Freefall_mc]

Three day weekend? Not me...

What? No long weekend? Well, that calls for lunch delivery. I hear cheeseburgers are satisfying in lieu of a "no-holiday-off-sucker". I'll race right over in my import. That's right...soon, I can have a sports car too!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v126/venettevega/Smart%20Car/ghini.jpg

 

[IrezumiKiss]

You quoted me saying,

"There is no objective reason to have brouhaha over any day, it's what we as people place as significant enough for celebration."

"If a female thinks it's special then you better make it fucking special or you'll pay the penalties. Suck it up, kiss her butt."

"Maybe you'd think it was a big deal if your hubby made it a big deal. Shame on him for not treating you right after 30 years of marriage and kids and all that."

Right? There's no other information we're working with, correct?

Human beings place value on certain days. Different human beings assign different values to those certain days.

This is beside the point, obviously observation and not part of the argument(though it certainly doesn't contradict)---> I've never met a female who didn't place any sort of positive value on Valentine's Day. I still haven't. If Katyushama's significant other paid her more attention she'd likely place value on Valentine's Day. She's already prepared herself for disappointment over the years, so she isn't disappointed on Valentine's Day. It's telling that she's posting on an "I Hate Valentines" thread on Valentine's, she's placed negative value on the day when all her friends place positive value.

There is no objective reason to place value on any day we celebrate currently, 'objective value' meaning everyone has to assign the same value to the same days and celebrations. I have to value the days my wife values, not because I value those days, but because I value her. If you read my first reply, I'm mentioning that it's really okay for Katyushama to place negative value to Valentine's Day. Since you could just as easily place that same value to Christmas or any other national celebration.

You didn't say "human beings" initially. You said "a female."

So female quadrupeds and insects and the female parts of plants place value on Valentine's Day? According to your words, the females are the ONLY REASON we "males" have to do anything about it or we "pay the penalty."

So when you refer to your wife to someone, like at a social event, you refer to her as "the female over there," or even better yet, "the female that I have," whenever asked about her? I mean, it's just denoting a gender, right?

People in general place value on Valentine's Day. Not just women. Men AND women. Not "females" and "males." Didn't even see how you just totally omitted and dismissed any feelings of the GLBT crowd concerning the holiday as well, it's all a strictly heterosexual celebration, for straights only. Gotcha.

Oh yeah, nice try to spin my criticism of your words into an attack on whether I've posted stories here or not. Since it's completely irrelevant to the issue at hand, I won't address it, but instead give you an Olympic 0.08 mark for the attempted triple lutz. You still have a week and some change, so keep going for that brass medal, Vinko Bogataj.

 

[LaRocha]

You didn't say "human beings" initially. You said "a female."

So female quadrupeds and insects and the female parts of plants place value on Valentine's Day? According to your words, the females are the ONLY REASON we "males" have to do anything about it or we "pay the penalty."

So when you refer to your wife to someone, like at a social event, you refer to her as "the female over there," or even better yet, "the female that I have," whenever asked about her? I mean, it's just denoting a gender, right?

People in general place value on Valentine's Day. Not just women. Men AND women. Not "females" and "males." Didn't even see how you just totally omitted and dismissed any feelings of the GLBT crowd concerning the holiday as well, it's all a strictly heterosexual celebration, for straights only. Gotcha.

Oh yeah, nice try to spin my criticism of your words into an attack on whether I've posted stories here or not. Since it's completely irrelevant to the issue at hand, I won't address it, but instead give you an Olympic 0.08 mark for the attempted triple lutz. You still have a week and some change, so keep going for that brass medal, Vinko Bogataj.

You still don't understand that it wasn't "I" who had a female, it was the hypothetical "I" or "you". A child understands the difference.

"You could say that about Christmas or any holiday. There is no objective reason to have brouhaha over any day, it's what we as people place as significant enough for celebration. It just so happens that if you have a female and she plays a typical girlfriend or wife role, she'll expect brouhaha on Valentine's Day, because that's what is expected when you're in a relationship. It's really that simple, no need to rationalize why a day is important for celebration over any other day. If a female thinks it's special then you better make it fucking special or you'll pay the penalties. Suck it up, kiss her butt."

Where on Earth am I giving out any information about myself? I could've said "If a male" following what I said in my second sentence. Typically males do place a value on Valentines Day, a pretty negative one.

 

[Freefall_mc]

You could say that about Christmas or any holiday. There is no objective reason to have brouhaha over any day, it's what we as people place as significant enough for celebration. It just so happens that if you have a female and she plays a typical girlfriend or wife role, she'll expect brouhaha on Valentine's Day, because that's what is expected when you're in a relationship. It's really that simple, no need to rationalize why a day is important for celebration over any other day. If a female thinks it's special then you better make it fucking special or you'll pay the penalties. Suck it up, kiss her butt.

Maybe you'd think it was a big deal if your hubby made it a big deal. Shame on him for not treating you right after 30 years of marriage and kids and all that.

Oh for pete's sake. lol
You just appear bitter about women who would enjoy a little emphasis on the day, but turn around and slam another's partner for not "treating you right" by making it a special day, implying she should think it's a big deal.
Well, which is it?

You're still turning me on! Keep going!

 

[IrezumiKiss]

You still don't understand that it wasn't "I" who had a female, it was the hypothetical "I" or "you". A child understands the difference.

"You could say that about Christmas or any holiday. There is no objective reason to have brouhaha over any day, it's what we as people place as significant enough for celebration. It just so happens that if you have a female and she plays a typical girlfriend or wife role, she'll expect brouhaha on Valentine's Day, because that's what is expected when you're in a relationship. It's really that simple, no need to rationalize why a day is important for celebration over any other day. If a female thinks it's special then you better make it fucking special or you'll pay the penalties. Suck it up, kiss her butt."

Where on Earth am I giving out any information about myself? I could've said "If a male" following what I said in my second sentence. Typically males do place a value on Valentines Day, a pretty negative one.

It has zilch to do with "hypotheticals." There's no reason whatsoever that you couldn't have used "woman" in place of "female" in your initial statement. Here's what you could've said, if you had really wanted to:

"You could say that about Christmas or any holiday. There is no objective reason to have brouhaha over any day, it's what we as people place as significant enough for celebration. It just so happens that if you're with a woman and she plays a typical girlfriend or wife role, she'll expect brouhaha on Valentine's Day, because that's what is expected when you're in a relationship. It's really that simple, no need to rationalize why a day is important for celebration over any other day. If a woman thinks it's special then you better make it fucking special or you'll pay the penalties. Suck it up, kiss her butt."

Ta-daaah!!! See how (at least) half of the underlying sexism has been completely stripped out? By referring to your "hypothetical" women as humans you can relate to rather than clinical terms always used for animals on wildlife reserves? Or did you honestly think that the "we as people" part that came before it gave you an out?

All the rest of it that I can't bleach away is you just placing blame on women for being a nuisance to men for wanting material and/or physical affection on a sentimental-marketed, commercial holiday, that is neither bad nor good, but instead is what you personally make of it. Like any other day out of the universe. Once again, totally dismissing the concerns and cares of women who like other women or men who like other men during Valentine's Day, but hey...they don't really matter, do they? It's all "hypothetical," after all.

Tell you what, just to squash this beef, you find at least six dedicated AH members, half of them women, who will back you up on your use of "female" in this context and I'll concede point to you. If you don't wanna do that, we'll just agree to disagree.

And no, men don't put a negative value on Valentine's Day. Unless you're thinking in stereotypes. Some people do. Some people don't. Like I said, it's what you personally make of it. Your choice to be beholden to stereotypes if you prefer seeing the world that way, not anyone else's.

 

[Katyusha]

Where on Earth am I giving out any information about myself?

I could ask you the same question.

 

[TheeGoatPig]

I just wanted to give people a place to share in their misery of being alone on "couples day"...

 

[CharleyH]

Come in here to mope about how you hate being alone while all the happy couples flit around you and make you feel like a worthless lump of shit because you don't have anyone to share the day with

Happy people are not allowed in here.

What ever happened to loving yourself and having the loads of pleasures that come with it? I don't feel for you, Goat.

 

[YoursSINSerely]

I just wanted to give people a place to share in their misery of being alone on "couples day"...

Mission accomplished, Thee! Way to go!

 

[LaRocha]

Oh for pete's sake. lol
You just appear bitter about women who would enjoy a little emphasis on the day, but turn around and slam another's partner for not "treating you right" by making it a special day, implying she should think it's a big deal.
Well, which is it?

You're still turning me on! Keep going!

This is the I hate Valentines thread, so I shouldn't appear bitter. I'm just being a bitch like everyone else who posts on an I hate Valentines thread.

 

[LaRocha]

There's no way I'm reading that epically long post, Izoozumi. I'm sorry if you've been mistreated by men throughout your life, but you're picking a fight where there wasn't one to begin with. It's not like I called you a thirty-something hag who hasn't gotten her pussy serviced since Jordan dumped Angela on My So-Called Life.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

I just wanted to give people a place to share in their misery of being alone on "couples day"...

Who's saying any of us had to be a couple on Valentine's Day?

http://collegecandy.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/threesome.jpg

Polyamory = the new black

 

[TheeGoatPig]

Who's saying any of us had to be a couple on Valentine's Day?

Polyamory = the new black

That just depresses the shit out of me even more

 

[IrezumiKiss]

There's no way I'm reading that epically long post, Izoozumi. I'm sorry if you've been mistreated by men throughout your life, but you're picking a fight where there wasn't one to begin with. It's not like I called you a thirty-something hag who hasn't gotten her pussy serviced since Jordan dumped Angela on My So-Called Life.

That's okay, LaRacha. Like a Bizarro World Baskin Robbins, you've got so many flavors of wrong going on here that I don't wanna spoil your fun by pulling your cards on them if this is the attitude that works for you when being online. Keep on being your own unique snowflake, guy.

 

[LaRocha]

That's okay, LaRacha. Like a Bizarro World Baskin Robbins, you've got so many flavors of wrong going on here that I don't wanna spoil your fun by pulling your cards on them if this is the attitude that works for you when being online. Keep on being your own unique snowflake, guy.

DumDum, La Racha is actually the opposite of an insult in Mexican. That's the problem with English speakers, hackneyed stupidity. I bet you thought, "Wow, I once heard that song about the roaches, I'm gonna insult this guy good!"