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SuperFreaking Out Over Climate Engineering
Freakonomics authors freak out environmental activists by suggesting a technical fix for global warming
Ronald Bailey | November 3, 2009

“What do Al Gore and Mount Pinatubo have in common?” ask the Freakonomics duo Steven Levitt and Stephen Dubner, in their new book SuperFreakonomics: Global Cooling, Patriotic Prostitutes, and Why Suicide Bombers Should Buy Life Insurance. Their answer: “Al Gore and Pinatubo both suggest a way to cool the planet, albeit with methods whose cost-effectiveness are a universe apart.” Al Gore wants to cool the planet by drastically cutting back the amount of heat-trapping carbon dioxide people are emitting into the atmosphere. In 1991, the Mount Pinatubo volcano in the Philippines cooled the planet when it blasted millions of tons of sulfur particles into the stratosphere where it formed a global haze that lowered average temperatures by about 0.5 degrees Celsius.

In their controversial chapter on global cooling, Levitt and Dubner describe how a bunch of researchers and entrepreneurs at Intellectual Ventures have devised a “garden hose to the sky” method for cooling the planet. The firm, founded by polymath and former Microsoft executive Nathan Myhrvold, proposes the use of an 18-mile hose with helium balloons and pumps every few hundred yards injecting liquefied sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere to mimic the cooling produced by the Pinatubo eruption. The group estimates that setting up five sulfur injection base stations would cost a mere $150 million and cost $100 million per year to operate.

Meanwhile, the costs of deep reductions in carbon dioxide emissions—the strategy currently in vogue—are highly disputed. Global warming alarmists tend to minimize the costs and global warming deniers maximize them (I use the derogatory terms each side calls the other with full malice aforethought). So let’s use as an approximation the latest estimates from British economist Nicholas Stern. Stern, admittedly, inhabits the alarmist camp. He recently asserted that it will take spending 2 percent of global GDP (currently about $64 trillion) to prevent catastrophic climate change. That would amount to spending about $1.2 trillion per year. The money would be spent on developing and deploying a variety of energy efficiency improvements and low carbon energy technologies. That’s the Gore way to cool the planet. Levitt and Dubner conclude by contrasting $250 million versus $1.2 trillion.

Despite their rather breathless presentation of the options for a technical quick fix, these climate engineering schemes are not all that innovative. In fact, similar schemes, including a sulfur sun screen, were outlined in a 1997 article in Reason by physicist and sci-fi writer Greg Benford. In September, the Royal Academy issued a study, Geoengineering the Climate [PDF], evaluating comparable proposals. On November 5, the Science and Technology Committee in the House of Representatives will hold a hearing on the feasibility and risks of climate engineering, including the stratospheric sulfur shield. Clearly, Levitt and Dubner are not making novel proposals, they are popularizing marginalized ideas that have been around for a long time—that's their stock in trade.

Levitt and Dubner acknowledge that the objections to the stratoshield project are “legion,” and indeed they are [PDF]. They note that Myhrvold is not recommending that the stratoshield or other climate engineering schemes be deployed immediately, but that they be “researched and tested so they are ready to use if the worst climate predictions were to come true.” If manmade warming is worse than currently projected, such a shield would also give humanity time to invent and deploy a new no-carbon energy infrastructure.

Yet despite a variety of caveats and cautions, Levitt and Dubner have provoked a firestorm of criticism among ideological environmentalists and their fellow travelers. Why? Because the global warming debate is politicized from top to bottom. Levitt and Dubner breezily stepped into the climate science and policy debate and violated the environmentalist taboo on discussing geoengineering proposals in public.

“The primary reason there has been so little debate about geoengineering amongst climate scientists is concern that such a debate would imply an alternative to reducing the human carbon footprint,” write British climate researchers, Peter Cox, professor of climate system dynamics at the University of Exeter, and Hazel Jeffrey, head of strategic management at the U.K.’s Natural Environment Research Council in Physics World. Or, as Levitt and Dubner acknowledge in their chapter, geoengineering might be seen as “an excuse to pollute,” luring the public into climate change complacency.

In this political fight, accusations of bad faith are the coin of the rhetorical realm. And it doesn’t help that Levitt and Dubner elided over or mischaracterized some research and policy prescriptions. For example, they note that carbon dioxide emissions are being absorbed by seas causing ocean acidification which threatens shellfish and corals, but do not mention that the Pinatubo cooling plans would do nothing to solve that problem. In the policy realm, they cite Harvard economist Martin Weitzman’s argument that the uncertainties surrounding future temperature projections suggest the possibility of catastrophic climate change. However, they fail to note that Weitzman concludes that the remote possibility of total climate disaster justifies spending a lot of money now on efforts to avoid it. And let’s not get into the argument over what recent global temperature trends portend.

In the end, it is not at all surprising that Joe Romm, one of the more apoplectic climate alarmists, who writes the ClimateProgress blog over at the liberal Center for American Progress, dug deep into his rhetorical coffers and accused Levitt and Dubner of bad faith. Stanford University climatologist Ken Caldeira was a participant in the discussions at Intellectual Ventures that Levitt and Dubner report. Caldeira has been seriously researching the implications of geoengineering as a backup plan for cooling the earth for many years. Blogger Romm, in his self-appointed role as enforcer of climate change policy taboos, was horrified that Levitt and Dubner were citing Caldeira in favor geoengineering proposals.

In high dudgeon, Romm apparently emailed Caldeira: “Lines about you like (page 184) 'Yet his research tells him carbon dioxide is not the right villain in this fight' seriously abuse your reputation and your extensive publications and warnings about the threat of ocean acidification.” Romm then solicited Caldeira’s help, explaining, “I want to trash them [Levitt and Dubner] for this insanity and ignorance.” Romm, self-importantly but accurately, added that “my blog is read by everyone in this area, including the media.” He outlined just the sort of thing that he wanted Caldeira to say: “I’d like a quote like ‘The authors of SuperFreakonomics have utterly misrepresented my work,’ plus whatever else you want to say.”

A rattled Caldeira emailed Romm back and complained: “So, yes, my representation in the Superfreakonomics book is damaging to me because it is an inaccurate portrayal of me. The problem is the inaccurate portrayal, not my actions or statements.” Caldeira especially objected that he would never have said carbon dioxide is “not the right villain in this fight.” Romm then published his attempt at debunking Levitt and Dubner. The headline alone reads:

Error-riddled ‘Superfreakonomics’: New book pushes global cooling myths, sheer illogic, and “patent nonsense” – and the primary climatologist it relies on, Ken Caldeira, says “it is an inaccurate portrayal of me” and “misleading” in “many” places.

Romm’s column provoked a flood of condemnations. Levitt and Dubner asked Caldeira what was going on and he responded, “I do think there are a bunch of things in the chapter that give misimpressions.” However, Caldeira also said to other journalists, “I believe the authors to have worked in good faith. They draw different conclusions than I draw from the same facts, but as authors of the book, that is their prerogative.” In any case, a somewhat rueful Caldeira explained, “I was drawn in by Romm and Al Gore’s assistant into critiquing other parts of the chapter. Rather than acting deliberately, I panicked and commented on things that I now wish I would have been silent on. It was obviously a mistake to let myself get drawn into this, and I learned a quick and hard lesson in public relations.” Indeed. Levitt and Dubner say that they will take out the offending “villain” quotation from subsequent editions.

Romm himself mischaracterizes Levitt and Dubner’s chapter as advocating a “geo-engineering-only solution.” Levitt and Dubner make it pretty clear throughout that their Pinatubo cooling proposal is a backup plan, just in case humanity can’t or won’t cut back on its carbon dioxide emissions. For example, Myhrvold notes, “It’s a bit like having fire sprinklers in the building. On the one hand, you should make every effort not to have a fire. But you also need something to fall back on in case the fire occurs.” Myhrvold adds, “It gives you breathing room to move to carbon-free energy sources.”

A year ago, in a roundtable on geoengineering in The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, Ken Caldeira argued, “Prudence demands that we consider what we might do if cuts in carbon dioxide emissions prove too little or too late to avoid unacceptable climate damage.” What should we do? “We need a climate engineering research and development plan.” Caldeira warned, “We cannot afford a new period of Lysenkoism and allow political correctness to pollute our scientific judgment. Scientific research and engineering development should be divorced from moral posturing and policy prescription.” He was right then and he’s right now.

Although flawed, in SuperFreakonomics, Levitt and Dubner have done citizens and policymakers a real service by breaking the taboo on discussing the feasibility and risks of climate engineering in public.

Ronald Bailey is Reason magazine's science correspondent. His book Liberation Biology: The Scientific and Moral Case for the Biotech Revolution is now available from Prometheus Books
 
"If the U.S. passed a cap and trade and other countries did not, it wouldn't work. It would ruin the U.S. economy and it wouldn't save the climate either." --Dr. Steve Running, co-author of the Nobel Prize winning Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's report on global warming
 
"If the U.S. passed a cap and trade and other countries did not, it wouldn't work. It would ruin the U.S. economy and it wouldn't save the climate either." --Dr. Steve Running, co-author of the Nobel Prize winning Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's report on global warming

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"Oh my Duckets":rolleyes:
 
Ouch! Another British politician tweaks the noses of global warming fanatics.




You’re going to love Godfrey Bloom. A Member of the European Parliament from the United Kingdom, Bloom loves to tweak the noses of the establishment. Like in this brief comment about the global warming “crisis.”

“I take the opportunity of wishing the east European cities well in the coming of the very early skiing season, and snow and ice, which is indicative of the fact that, as independent scientists have now confirmed, that the globe is actually cooling and has been cooling since 2002 and broadly flat since 1998.

“So we’re all talking about something here which isn’t happening. I’ve heard time and time again members talk of CO2 as a pollutant — a pollutant that’s a life-giving natural gas. It gives me the impression that some of our members haven’t had the benefit of a formal education.

“Isn’t this really just about the state being able to get its hand in ordinary people’s trouser pocket and still get more tax from them? Isn’t this all about political control? Isn’t this all about politics and big business? The whole thing’s a sham, this bogus hypothesis that man-made CO2 is causing global warming.

“Enough, please, before we damage irrevocably the global economy.”

Of course, he eviscerates them in that clipped British accent that says, “I’m smarter than you could ever hope to be.” And in the case of the European Parliament, he probably is.
 
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Al Gore admits the science wasn’t settled, he’s been bullshitting



Al Gore, former Vice President and current carnival huckster

We’re not even exaggerating this for comic effect. No need.

Al Gore has publicly admitted that carbon dioxide isn’t actually to blame for most pre-2001 global warming. And since the world has been cooling since 1998 and…well…what the hell, Al?

The BBC reports a story that guaranteed to be under-reported in the United States:

“Gore explored new studies – published only last week – that show methane and black carbon or soot had a far greater impact on global warming than previously thought. Carbon dioxide – while the focus of the politics of climate change – produces around 40% of the actual warming. Gore acknowledged to Newsweek that the findings could complicate efforts to build a political consensus around the need to limit carbon emissions.”

So now it turns out the science really is settled and the results of the latest computer models prove exactly we suspected::rolleyes:

Al Gore is a lying sack of excrement.




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So tell me PUSSY DUMMY

The chief orgazm giver to

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like your "wife"

said the science is settled, now he says it isnt

Im sure YOU are clueless to the REAL MEANING of it

But

We arent!:cool:
 
"If the U.S. passed a cap and trade and other countries did not, it wouldn't work. It would ruin the U.S. economy and it wouldn't save the climate either." --Dr. Steve Running, co-author of the Nobel Prize winning Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's report on global warming

This is worth repeating. Cap and trade will "ruin the U.S. economy."
 
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Let her read this and watch her turn into Niagra Falls

The Greatest Scam on Earth



In 2000 Al Gore was a failed Presidential candidate with a paltry 2 million dollars to his name. Not a lot of money for a guy whose lavish mansion gobbles up almost a 150,000 dollars in electric utilities annually alone, and that of course is before property taxes and all the other costs of owning a home in Belle Meade, which has one of the region's highest costs of living. But besides growing a beard and lecturing college students on journalism, a hobby he had last practiced in the 70's, Al Gore didn't have much of a career plan.




But Gore didn't starve on the streets either, and eight years later, despite not having much in the way of a job, the former Vice President is worth over a hundred million dollars. Expanding your net worth by %2500 percent sounds like the Madoff investment plan, but the scam that Al Gore invested in is one that makes Madoff look like a piker... because Gore invested in The Greatest Scam on Earth.

The Greatest Scam on Earth naturally revolves around the earth itself, combining millennial apocalyptic visions with junk science to create global warming. In 1920 the American poet Robert Frost wrote, "Some say the world will end in fire, Some say in ice, From what I've tasted of desire, I hold with those who favor fire." Taking an incomplete cue from poem, the school of environmental apocalypse first tried to sell the idea of an ice age, before switching over to global warming.

In the 70's the talk was of a coming ice age.


As they review the bizarre and unpredictable weather pattern of the past several years, a growing number of scientists are beginning to suspect that many seemingly contradictory meteorological fluctuations are actually part of a global climatic upheaval. However widely the weather varies from place to place and time to time, when meteorologists take an average of temperatures around the globe they find that the atmosphere has been growing gradually cooler for the past three decades. The trend shows no indication of reversing. Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age.


Naturally of course mankind was to blame for the problem


Man, too, may be somewhat responsible for the cooling trend. The University of Wisconsin's Reid A. Bryson and other climatologists suggest that dust and other particles released into the atmosphere as a result of farming and fuel burning may be blocking more and more sunlight from reaching and heating the surface of the earth.


And of course the world was doomed.


University of Toronto Climatologist Kenneth Hare, a former president of the Royal Meteorological Society, believes that the continuing drought and the recent failure of the Russian harvest gave the world a grim premonition of what might happen. Warns Hare: "I don't believe that the world's present population is sustainable if there are more than three years like 1972 in a row."


Doomed I tell you. How will we ever survive 1972? And yet here we are in the year 2009, and while it is chilly outside, New York City is not enclosed by giant icebergs. Neither is any other part of the world that isn't normally enclosed by icebergs.




Today Time Magazine runs virtually the same stories, except all that stuff about the world freezing to death, has been replaced by stories about the world melting to death. A coming Ice Age was a plausible place to start the environmental apocalyptic panic. After all scientists claimed that humanity had already endured an ice age, and there was something plausible about claiming that another one was on the way. Nuclear winter had become a potent boogeyman of the Cold War, convincing most Americans that a nuclear exchange would doom the planet.

But as Frost had pointed out all the way back in 1920, the idea of the world perishing in flames had a more poetic appeal. From medieval paintings of hell as a place scorched by flame, to the modern atomic terror... fire was a more compelling villain. And by redirecting the locus of environmental impact away from inhabited areas to the North Pole and other arctic regions that most people did not have any experience with, it became possible to claim just about anything at all was going on there. Anything at all.

Today, as the case of Al Gore demonstrates, there is a great deal of money to be made from preaching from environmental apocalypse. Green Business is big business and today you can find green labels on everything from cars to paper towels. Celebrities have embraced green, the way they once embraced African babies, and have introduced timely proposals for the general public, including drinking rat's milk and breathing less.

The difference between the madman who stands on a street corner with a placard reading, "ThE WORLD IS GONG TO END!" and Al Gore is the difference between madness and big business. If Al Gore really believed in his own dogma, he wouldn't be spending more on electricity a year than the average family's income. If celebrities really believed their own sound bites, they wouldn't be flying private jets around the world. But the Greatest Scam on Earth is not about living an environmentally virtuous life, but about selling environmental virtue to others. At a price.

Cap and Trade is the final solution for American manufacturing and industry, destroying what's left and leaving the rest as government subsidized shells. Wall Street will profit, investors will flock to buy absolutely worthless bonds whose only purpose is to add overhead to American businesses, and everything else will head on a ship to China, which has been smart enough to cash in on global warming alarmism, without actually giving up any of its heavy industry.




But that really doesn't matter, because millennial panics never take into account the long term consequences. They are about the irrational panic of a minority and those orchestrating the panic who expect to profit from it. The same Al Gore who owned a zinc mine and spoke lovingly of Tobacco farming turned himself into an environmentalist prophet thanks to some ghost written books and a documentary created by PowerPoint. In the process he earned himself a Nobel Peace Prize, and more importantly a hundred million dollars, which is only the beginning if the Obama Administration pushes through the rest of the rent seeking proposals that will transform the American economy into a sharecropping venture overseen by a handful of American politicians and foreign investors.

The Greatest Scam on Earth is set to destroy America's economy. Its propaganda mills are restlessly chattering away in magazines and movies, schools and commercials offering up the same old vision of the crying Indian, the visage of the world we sinfully polluted. The hypocrisy of such lectures being delivered by magazines printed on dead trees, by celebrities who live opulently thanks to goods being transported for them around the world, by politicians who stand to benefit personally from the crisis they are manufacturing of course falls on deaf ears. The scam grinds on, and the one thing all that green is sure to accomplish, is to put us all in the red.
 
"If the U.S. passed a cap and trade and other countries did not, it wouldn't work. It would ruin the U.S. economy and it wouldn't save the climate either." --Dr. Steve Running, co-author of the Nobel Prize winning Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's report on global warming

This is worth repeating. Cap and trade will "ruin the U.S. economy."

Pussy Dummy says to this

"Oh my Duckets"
 
"If the U.S. passed a cap and trade and other countries did not, it wouldn't work. It would ruin the U.S. economy and it wouldn't save the climate either." --Dr. Steve Running, co-author of the Nobel Prize winning Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's report on global warming

This is worth repeating. Cap and trade will "ruin the U.S. economy."

I dunno that it would "ruin the US economy," but I've never been a huge fan of cap and trade, and most of the serious people I know about this issue see it as at best a transitional tool. Politicians like it more than environmentalists, because it allows them to say they're doing something when they aren't doing much. Industry likes it because it's at least partially market-based. Here in OR, the utility companies lobbied for a hard cap, no trade, rather than a c&t bill.
 
We already have a cap on emissions. You can argue that the cap is too high, or too low, but "cap and trade" is a good idea. It let's factories keep operating (and keep people at work) that would otherwise have to shut down, and provides a financial incentive/reward for those that invest in new technology (also keeping and putting people to work), that they would have had to invest in anyway.
 
We already have a cap on emissions. You can argue that the cap is too high, or too low, but "cap and trade" is a good idea. It let's factories keep operating (and keep people at work) that would otherwise have to shut down, and provides a financial incentive/reward for those that invest in new technology (also keeping and putting people to work), that they would have had to invest in anyway.

That's the idea, yeah. And once emissions get to acceptable levels--"acceptable" being hashed out in the legislature--then we keep them there and let those new, cleaner technologies replace the older, dirtier ones.
 


... until "Chuckie" Schumer ( the biggest two-faced hypocrite in the Senate [ with the possible exception of Arlen { "Which Way Is The Wind Blowing Today" } Specter ) figures out a way to demagogue the issue. Never, ever stand between Chuckie and a microphone.

*sigh*

More rules... for lobbyists to lobby. More rules... for "fine print artists" to twist and avoid. More rules... for professional politicians to shake down ( a/k/a extort ) constituents. More rules... for slimeballs to slither.




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http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/11/05/schumer-rails-against-stimulating-chinas-wind-industry/
Schumer Says ‘No Way’ to Stimulating China’s Wind Industry

By Keith Johnson
That big new wind farm in Texas, to be financed and supplied by the Chinese, is giving New York senator Chuck Schumer fits.

Sen. Schumer is afraid the $1.5 billion project, a 600-odd megawatt wind farm in west Texas, will be partly underwritten by federal clean-energy funds. That’s money meant to jumpstart not just clean energy in the U.S.—Texas hasn’t seceded yet—but also clean-energy jobs in the U.S.

The Texas project will create thousands of jobs in China—potentially with taxpayer money, Sen. Schumer says. “The idea that stimulus funds would be used to create jobs overseas is quite troubling,” he wrote in a letter to Energy Secretary Steven Chu, according to AP.

Sen. Schumer asked the Energy Department to reject any request from the developers of new wind farms for the 30% cash-in-hand grant offered by Washington. The Obama administration has already handed out more than $1 billion under the program, part of the stimulus package—mostly to European wind-farm companies.

The complaint is just the latest in the back-and-forth between the U.S. and China over clean energy. On the one hand, the administration is trying to boost cooperation on high-profile projects—like clean coal plants. And President Obama will visit Beijing with energy at the top of the agenda this month. Neil King has more on the political angle at Wash Wire.

Sen. Schumer wants, essentially, a “Buy American” provision back in the stimulus package—Washington should reject subsidy requests for new wind farms “unless the high-value components, including the wind turbines, are manufactured in the United States,” he wrote.

That’s a tricky line to draw. In the case of the Texas wind farm, those would be Chinese-built turbines. But not even all American wind turbines are 100% American—a turbine has about 8,000 components. And some foreign turbines are largely assembled in the U.S., but often with foreign-made components.

General Electric, the national leader and second-biggest turbine maker in the world, has factories in Spain, Germany and China in addition to the U.S. Some of its turbine blades come from TPI Composites, a Rhode Island company. One of those blade factories is now famous—the old Maytag plant in Newton, Iowa, where President Obama spoke this spring about clean energy.

Other TPI factories are less so—like one in China, which makes blades for GE, for domestic use and for export.

At the same time, the Chinese company making the turbines for that Texas wind farm has a gearbox agreement with GE–meaning some parts, at least, of those machines would use U.S. technology.

Sen. Shumer’s letter highlights one of the fundamental tensions still at the heart of the whole energy debate: Is this supposed to be about clean energy, wherever that comes from, or is this supposed to be about jobs?
 
I hope you read the SCIENCE IS SETTLED shit, PUSSY DUMMY

:rolleyes:
Oh OH!

Pussy Dummies, WHORE will become UNWET now, wont she?

Al Gore admits the science wasn’t settled, he’s been bullshitting



Al Gore, former Vice President and current carnival huckster

We’re not even exaggerating this for comic effect. No need.

Al Gore has publicly admitted that carbon dioxide isn’t actually to blame for most pre-2001 global warming. And since the world has been cooling since 1998 and…well…what the hell, Al?

The BBC reports a story that guaranteed to be under-reported in the United States:

“Gore explored new studies – published only last week – that show methane and black carbon or soot had a far greater impact on global warming than previously thought. Carbon dioxide – while the focus of the politics of climate change – produces around 40% of the actual warming. Gore acknowledged to Newsweek that the findings could complicate efforts to build a political consensus around the need to limit carbon emissions.”

So now it turns out the science really is settled and the results of the latest computer models prove exactly we suspected::rolleyes:

Al Gore is a lying sack of excrement.




PUSSY DUMMY

Will your "wife", the WHORE now have to spew new shit?

YES!

Im sure she can, WHORE'S ADAPT!
 
That's the idea, yeah. And once emissions get to acceptable levels--"acceptable" being hashed out in the legislature--then we keep them there and let those new, cleaner technologies replace the older, dirtier ones.

except the injuns and yellowz say FUCK YOU an dthey r the biggest abusers

so if WE only do it

thats BAD

PUSSY DUMMY!


Waves HELLO to da PIMP

How is the

WHORE?
 
if THIS doesnt upset you

You are MINDLESS

JOURNALISTS WHO DON’T AGREE AREN’T “REAL JOURNALISTS,” and apparently scientists who disagree aren’t “real” scientists:


In the blame game, the Obama administration isn’t about to stop with Fox News. Instead, it’s moving on to lowly scientists.

Last month, President Obama gave a somewhat chilling, if somewhat ignored, speech on climate change at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. He stated that any scientific debate about the magnitude of global warming is unscrupulous, decrying “those who . . . make cynical claims that contradict the overwhelming scientific evidence when it comes to climate change, whose only purpose is to defeat or delay the change that we know is necessary.”

Then, the president talked tough, saying, “We’ll just have to deal with those people,” language familiar to anyone who knows the vagaries of Chicago politics.
 
That's the idea, yeah. And once emissions get to acceptable levels--"acceptable" being hashed out in the legislature--then we keep them there and let those new, cleaner technologies replace the older, dirtier ones.

New cleaner technologies are already replacing the old ones. We don't need more new legislation to screw up a system that's already working.

I don't know if cap and trade will "ruin the economy" either. But it's likely that billions will trade hands while trading the right to pollute. Somebody is going to pay that. The end user is the only source of money. With the end user already being hit for all Obamas overspending cap and trade sure can't help the economy.

I understand you're not a huge fan of C&T, just saying.
 
Call the CDC: British “believer” says “climate change denial is spreading like a contagious disease”




George Monbiot frets that people are finally waking up the the global warming scam

Please allow us to translate: “Aw, crap, the truth is getting out.”

“There is no point in denying it: we’re losing,” says British climate fretter George Monbiot said in the Guardian UK. “Climate change denial is spreading like a contagious disease. It exists in a sphere which cannot be reached by evidence or reasoned argument; any attempt to draw attention to scientific findings is greeted with furious invective. This sphere is expanding with astonishing speed.”

Consider this a crack in the damn, one of the first acknowledgements that all is not well in global warming land.

Wikipedia says Monbiot is “known for his environmental and political activism. He writes a weekly column for The Guardian, and is the author of a number of books, including Captive State: The Corporate Takeover of Britain (2000) and Bring on the Apocalypse: Six Arguments for Global Justice (2008). He is the founder of The Land is Ours campaign, which campaigns peacefully for the right of access to the countryside and its resources in the UK.”

Mr. Monbiot may want to polish up his resume, because his current job selling snake oil will soon be terminated.
 


On Monday, October 26th, Dr. Richard S. Lindzen, the Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology presented his views.

Dr. Richard Lindzen's address on "cap and trade":

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=22D4DD5727161348

Professor Lindzen's lecture slides

Why do we need to deconstruct global warming? Simply because it has been an issue that has been routinely treated with misinformation and sophistry abetted by constant repetition, institutional endorsements, and widespread ignorance even (perhaps especially) among the educated. Because of the increasingly dangerous and expensive approaches being promoted to deal with this alleged problem, it is, I think, important to understand what is being said as well as to understand how climate actually works.


 
In 1632, Pope Urban VIII threatened to excommunicate Galileo because he insisted that the sun was the center of the universe.

Now, a mere 377 years later, Pope Barack is equally adamant that scientists should blindly follow his global warming religion.

Last month, President Obama gave a somewhat chilling, if somewhat ignored, speech on climate change at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. He stated that any scientific debate about the magnitude of global warming is unscrupulous, decrying “those who . . . make cynical claims that contradict the overwhelming scientific evidence when it comes to climate change, whose only purpose is to defeat or delay the change that we know is necessary.”

Then, the president talked tough, saying, “We’ll just have to deal with those people,” language familiar to anyone who knows the vagaries of Chicago politics.

Father, Son and Holy Ghost have been replaced by Barack Obama, Cap-and-Trade.

Get on your knees and pray
 
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