The consequences of gay marriage

[vrosej10]

If I wrote that I'm smart and handsome and resemble an elephant from the front, I'm skeptical that you'd parrot any of it. Nope, youre flaming me and thats what it is.

You guys are hot to hop on my transgressions, so what goes around comes around. Peace begins with ourselves.

You wildly misunderstand me! I am not flaming you. I actually normally respect you even though I don't agree with you and I have been taking you at your word as to who you are, someone with strongly right wing views. I was pointing out that although I don't agree with you, you are normally basing your particular bias on some kind of "sound" academic idea rather than just going along with the herd of idiots, which seems to be the case in this incidence. I am trying to get you to shape up and get your head back in the game! If you don't believe me, check out some of my other posts on you. I might have called you a troll (in a tongue in cheek fashion) but I have argued for you to stay on the board.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

VROSE

I think I'm very conservative but my political views fall right in the middle of the spectrum. I'm surprised every time I see the results. Perhaps your views are extreme left.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/test
THE TEST. I'm a social libertarian and an economic fascist.

 

[xssve]

Girls reveal abuse more than boys do.

Do some research, collect some facts, speak with people who have experience.

Which is why a pedophile might be inclined to prefer molesting boys, without necessarily being a homosexual - they make easier targets.

 

[Stella_Omega]

The original post is about gay marriage. It says that gay marriage would mean that same sex couples would be able to marry.

It points out the inanity of ascribing any other consequences besides that one thing.

The rest of this thread shows that stupidity in action.

 

[lance gt]

The original post is about gay marriage. It says that gay marriage would mean that same sex couples would be able to marry.

It points out the inanity of ascribing any other consequences besides that one thing.

The rest of this thread shows that stupidity in action.

My Gay friends have their Marriage Licence framed and hanging in the livingroom. It's a work of art they display proudly, and rightly so. If they represent the majority of what a gay couple are like as people and parents, society is going to be hard-pressed to convince me otherwise, stats and all. I met lots of gay couples through them and none have shown me anything other than decent people enjoying their lifestyle and offending no one. Pedophilia is a sickness, being Gay isn't.

 

[Stella_Omega]

A woman who marries a straight man assumes a certain amount of risk that her husband will abuse the children. But you never hear people bring up the dangers of pedophilia as a kneejerk reaction, in relation to straight marriages.

if, for the sake of argument, jimmys 30% stat is correct, it means that 60% of child abusers are NOT gay men.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

Which is why a pedophile might be inclined to prefer molesting boys, without necessarily being a homosexual - they make easier targets.

Yeah, this may well be the case. Pedophilia is also a crime of opportunity to a large extent. It's probably much easier for a male ped to put himself in a position where he can access males in an intimate setting than it is to find a similar situation with females.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Pedophilia has no more to do with same sex couples being able to marry than it does with het marriages.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I hope we are making the difference clear between a pedophile and a man who is attracted to teenagers. If a man has consensual sex with his 16 year old stepson or stepdaughter, that would not make him a pervert. In many states, he wouldn't even be breaking the law. The same would apply if the young person is a foster child except that the man would probably no longer be allowed to be a foster parent.

 

[lance gt]

I hope we are making the difference clear between a pedophile and a man who is attracted to teenagers. If a man has consensual sex with his 16 year old stepson or stepdaughter, that would not make him a pervert. In many states, he wouldn't even be breaking the law. The same would apply if the young person is a foster child except that the man would probably no longer be allowed to be a foster parent.

Actually Box, we're trying to make clear that Gay and Lesbian couples won't have any consequences if they marry. Some have stated that gays are more likely to molest the boys they adopt. The point being here, S-S couples are no threat to the 'normal' way of life Het couples have. Anyone can throw stats on here to dissuade us to their way of thinking, but the facts speak for themselves, as well as common sense.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxlicker101
I hope we are making the difference clear between a pedophile and a man who is attracted to teenagers. If a man has consensual sex with his 16 year old stepson or stepdaughter, that would not make him a pervert. In many states, he wouldn't even be breaking the law. The same would apply if the young person is a foster child except that the man would probably no longer be allowed to be a foster parent.

Actually Box, we're trying to make clear that Gay and Lesbian couples won't have any consequences if they marry. Some have stated that gays are more likely to molest the boys they adopt. The point being here, S-S couples are no threat to the 'normal' way of life Het couples have. Anyone can throw stats on here to dissuade us to their way of thinking, but the facts speak for themselves, as well as common sense.

I realize that. In fact, since SS couples will be scrutinized more carefully than Het couples, they are actually less likely to be molesters, because any history or any suspicion will become known, and they will be rejected.

There is a positive aspect to SS adoption, or any kind of adoption. A young child in an orphanage is far more likely to be raped by older children living there than by adoptive parents, either gay or straight.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxlicker101
I hope we are making the difference clear between a pedophile and a man who is attracted to teenagers. If a man has consensual sex with his 16 year old stepson or stepdaughter, that would not make him a pervert. In many states, he wouldn't even be breaking the law. The same would apply if the young person is a foster child except that the man would probably no longer be allowed to be a foster parent.




I realize that. In fact, since SS couples will be scrutinized more carefully than Het couples, they are actually less likely to be molesters, because any history or any suspicion will become known, and they will be rejected.

There is a positive aspect to SS adoption, or any kind of adoption. A young child in an orphanage is far more likely to be raped by older children living there than by adoptive parents, either gay or straight.

Male and female parents are optimal for a child's developement. Same-sex adoptions place the self-esteem of the gays ahead of the welfare of the child.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Male and female parents are optimal for a child's developement. Same-sex adoptions place the self-esteem of the gays ahead of the welfare of the child.

On average, your first sentence is probably true, but every case should be considered by itself. Some gay adoptive couples will be better than some straight ones.

As for your second sentence, I would suppose most adoptive parents are looking for something they want or need, rather than benefiting the child they adopt. That has nothing to do with what kind of parents they make.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

On average, your first sentence is probably true, but every case should be considered by itself. Some gay adoptive couples will be better than some straight ones.

As for your second sentence, I would suppose most adoptive parents are looking for something they want or need, rather than benefiting the child they adopt. That has nothing to do with what kind of parents they make.

Politically we're trying to make gays equivalent to heterosexual couples, and kids are treated as pets available for adoption. You cant substitute two same-sex people and pretend that the missing sex isnt important. We really like to make-believe that what we want is as good as the real deal.

You can always make the case that some isolated case works out better than the norm; I mean, people do win lotteries. But you cant take a new lottery ticket to the bank and use it as collateral for a car loan, cuz its likely youre gonna lose.

Gays come in about 6th place in terms of their benefit to a kid.
1.Natural parents
2.Natural parent & step parent.
3.Relative placement
4.Placement with close friends.
5.Placement with heterosexual couple
6.All others.

Gays adopt kids inorder to get their normalcy ticket punched.

 

[Safe_Bet]

On average, your first sentence is probably true, but every case should be considered by itself. Some gay adoptive couples will be better than some straight ones.

As for your second sentence, I would suppose most adoptive parents are looking for something they want or need, rather than benefiting the child they adopt. That has nothing to do with what kind of parents they make.

Box I'm quoting your post because you quoted and agreed with that ridiculous statement of Jimmy Blow Job's.

That statement is unmitigated bullshit! (anyone surprised?????).

Counter example #1: In study after study, children in same-sex parent families turned out the same, for better or for worse, as children in heterosexual families.

Moreover, a 2001 meta-analysis of those studies found that the sexual orientation of a parent is irrelevant to the development of a child's mental health and social development and to the quality of a parent-child relationship.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07161/793042-51.stm

Counter example #2: OTTAWA -- Parenting by same-sex families is just as good -- if not slightly advantageous -- for children when compared to heterosexual families, a Justice Department study has concluded.

Commissioned by the then-Liberal federal government in 2003 at the height of the same-sex marriage debate, the academic study was not released until recently when its main author, Prof.

Paul Hastings at Concordia University, obtained it by making a request using the Access to Information Act.

Hastings, with the assistance of research students, reached the study's conclusion after reviewing existing research relating to the impact on children of being raised in different family types.

The report says the strongest conclusion that can be drawn from empirical literature is that the vast majority of studies show children living with two mothers and children living with a mother and father have the same levels and qualities of social competence.

"A few studies suggest that children with two lesbian mothers may have marginally better social competence than children in 'traditional nuclear' families, even fewer studies show the opposite, and most studies fail to fi nd any differences," says the 25,000, 74-page study.

http://www.canada.com/saskatoonstarphoenix/news/national/story.html?id=c2670cec-fb41-45fd-b409-3d4afebd10bf

Counter example #3: Compared 15 lesbian couples and the 3- to 9-year-old children born to them through donor insemination with 15 matched, heterosexual-parent families. A variety of assessment measures were used to evaluate the children's cognitive functioning and behavioral adjustment as well as the parents' relationship quality and parenting skills. Results revealed no significant differences between the two groups of children, who also compared favorably with the standardization samples for the instruments used. In addition, no significant differences were found between dyadic adjustment of lesbian and heterosexual couples. Only in the area of parenting did the two groups of couples differ: Lesbian couples exhibited more parenting awareness skills than did heterosexual couples.

http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbc/publications/lgpstspec.html

These are FACTS, people! Plain hard facts vs. homophobic bullshit.

 

[vrosej10]

VROSE

I think I'm very conservative but my political views fall right in the middle of the spectrum. I'm surprised every time I see the results. Perhaps your views are extreme left.

http://www.politicalcompass.org/test
THE TEST. I'm a social libertarian and an economic fascist.

That's true. I am very left, but I was trying to get you to up your game and stick to your usual standard of argument. I normally enjoy being frustrated by you. I don't want to agree with you, I just felt you were going with the rabble rather than being your more educated self.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

That's true. I am very left, but I was trying to get you to up your game and stick to your usual standard of argument. I normally enjoy being frustrated by you. I don't want to agree with you, I just felt you were going with the rabble rather than being your more educated self.

I kinda figured that you like your Kool-Aid in the BIG GULP size cup.

 

[vrosej10]

I kinda figured that you like your Kool-Aid in the BIG GULP size cup.

No more than you like the right wing kool aid sippy cups they issue to you lot! When you don't agree with someone you tend to think about your thinking. When you piss me off it is an opportunity for me to think critically about what it is I believe and question it. I hope you use the times when us lefties piss you off for the same thing.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

No more than you like the right wing kool aid sippy cups they issue to you lot! When you don't agree with someone you tend to think about your thinking. When you piss me off it is an opportunity for me to think critically about what it is I believe and question it. I hope you use the times when us lefties piss you off for the same thing.

Real conservatives arent reactionaries opposed to everything. The root word in conservative is CONSERVE. I may be the militant conservationist on this board or anywhere. If I could make it happen there would be no condos on the beaches or any habitation lower than 25 feet above mean sea level.

Real conservatives pretty much believe that humanity has been around long enough to sort out what works and what doesnt work in terms of social/economic interactions. Better mousetraps are as likely as new planets. The universe wasnt formed when I was born. There are more ways to fuck something up than get it right.

 

[lance gt]

Real conservatives arent reactionaries opposed to everything. The root word in conservative is CONSERVE. I may be the militant conservationist on this board or anywhere. If I could make it happen there would be no condos on the beaches or any habitation lower than 25 feet above mean sea level.

Real conservatives pretty much believe that humanity has been around long enough to sort out what works and what doesnt work in terms of social/economic interactions. Better mousetraps are as likely as new planets. The universe wasnt formed when I was born. There are more ways to fuck something up than get it right.

Okay Jimmy, perhaps you can explain what was happening before the Big Bang. It would end a lot of stupid debates in here if you could, you being here before it and all.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Many, many marriages have nothing to do with children, adopted or otherwise.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Okay Jimmy, perhaps you can explain what was happening before the Big Bang. It would end a lot of stupid debates in here if you could, you being here before it and all.

LANCE why is it you wanna sneak in the personal discount, huh? You spent at least a week pissing & moaning about the hostility and name-calling, and here you are ladeling it out.

Actually there was an infinite series of BANGS beginning with a teeny weeny gnat fart BANG. Just imagine how much havoc a bear starts when he shits in the woods.

 

[lance gt]

LANCE why is it you wanna sneak in the personal discount, huh? You spent at least a week pissing & moaning about the hostility and name-calling, and here you are ladeling it out.

Actually there was an infinite series of BANGS beginning with a teeny weeny gnat fart BANG. Just imagine how much havoc a bear starts when he shits in the woods.

Jimmy, I'm not calling you any names. You said you were born before the universe was here, just thought you could shed a little light on the subject. Seems to be a popular subject around here. But the fart bang theory holds some merit to think about.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Jimmy, I'm not calling you any names. You said you were born before the universe was here, just thought you could shed a little light on the subject. Seems to be a popular subject around here. But the fart bang theory holds some merit to think about.

Nope. I didnt say it. You wanna start some shit is what youre doing, and I'm throwing a flag on the play.

 

[lance gt]

.... Better mousetraps are as likely as new planets. The universe wasnt formed when I was born. There are more ways to fuck something up than get it right.

You said it Jimmy. I was just asking. Illegal flag on the play, ten yards for me. 1st and ten for Lance GT...