It isn't just liberals (political)

[Boxlicker101]

It's vaguely possible that some bigots are not racist-- but all racists are bigots.

Show me a bigot who is not racist, anyway. I'll show you someone who's faked it well enough to fool you-- posibly because you want to be fooled.

There are tens of millions of people who are bigoted against gay people, as you should know better than anybody. Many of these bigots are probably also racists, but many of them would not be.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I'm eclectic. Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you dont. But there are so many people to hate you just gotta spread it around one group at a time.

 

[Stella_Omega]

There are tens of millions of people who are bigoted against gay people, as you should know better than anybody. Many of these bigots are probably also racists, but many of them would not be.

Yes, you are probably right about that.

but the thing is that-- anyone who can separate the human race into "my kind" and "not my kind" is going to rope smaller and smaller groups tighter and tighter.

And once someone has expressed a judgement against one group of people solely for who they are-- I'll expect similar judgements against everyone else, as well..

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

STELLA protests prejudice out one side of her mouth as she condemns Christians and conservatives with the other side.

 

[DeeZire]

STELLA protests prejudice out one side of her mouth as she condemns Christians and conservatives with the other side.

Your point?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Your point?

Do the math yourself.

 

[Loring2]

It wasn't a misstatement. Murdoch became an American citizen in order to buy television stations, which could not be owned by foreigners.

Would you mind giving me some case law or any other informaton which states that a person who is not a citizen of the United States cannot own a television or radio station or for that matter a network of them, in the United States.

I'm sure that your law library and education in communications law must be superior to mine and I would find it necessary to inform two former clients of certain egregious errors on my part and force them to sell certain controlling shares in medium sized communications corportions.

Where did you attend Law School incidently?

Respectfully
J. E. Loring JD

 

[DeeZire]

Do the math yourself.

Okay. Looking at your quote:

STELLA protests prejudice out one side of her mouth as she condemns Christians and conservatives with the other side.

Stella's POV makes perfect sense. In protesting prejudice, she includes Christians and conservatives for her scorn because their ideology supports prejudice. Of course there are exceptional conservatives and Christians who are able to overcome the prejudice inherent in their philosophies, but as a general rule, branding them as intolerant would be valid, as you and your cohorts prove here on a daily basis.

 

[jomar]

Bold is mine, but I like the phrase...

That's what baffles me. Not the passion and energy or even the virtiol of the current barrage. Those things happen. But the sheer willful embracement of ignorance.

I was sent a clip yesterday (sorry, the link is at my computer at work) showing some Rep congresswoman complaining about a part of the health care bill regarding school or youth clinincs. She was upset that it had a paragraph about standard patient/doctor confidentiality, and painted a nightmare scenario of how 13 year old girls could have "abortions in school and their parents would be none the wiser". Just one little thing. The very paragraph before it stated that all procedures and confidentiality for a minor is trumped by required parental consent.

That's just the latest of a thousand little things that are so easily punctured and shown as the stupidity they are. I can't wrap my head around how a discourse works, that allows them to gestate into "facts". How does the group mind and media/meme machine of America work? Someone should write a book about it.

I'm not saying that you lot are stupid. It's more like a different kind of stupid than here (we have our own, believe me). A love affair with hyperboles that feels alien to me.

I watched those frantic rallies with all the angry people and wondered how much insurance and the right wing payed to get the lunatic fringe to get out and get crazy, and for the "news" to film it all.

And big pharm hedged its bets by striking a deal related to pricing and excluding Canada for a promise to stay out of the fray.

 

[Huckleman2000]

Would you mind giving me some case law or any other informaton which states that a person who is not a citizen of the United States cannot own a television or radio station or for that matter a network of them, in the United States.

I'm sure that your law library and education in communications law must be superior to mine and I would find it necessary to inform two former clients of certain egregious errors on my part and force them to sell certain controlling shares in medium sized communications corportions.

Where did you attend Law School incidently?

Respectfully
J. E. Loring JD

It was FCC rulings. Go to FCC.gov to learn about it.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

JOMAR

I have no idea what sort of gated-community you live in, but people are pissed-off with the government. Not everyone is as docile as you.

 

[DeeZire]

JOMAR

I have no idea what sort of gated-community you live in, but people are pissed-off with the government. Not everyone is as docile as you.

You should qualify your statement: "...people who watch Fox News and listen to talk radio are pissed-off with the government..." Considering that these sources have perfected the use of state-of-the-art brainwashing techniques, is it any wonder they're getting results?

Example: Repeat a bogus claim over and over, and eventually it is accepted as fact. The link between Saddam Hussein and 9/11 was perpetuated by Fox News and talk radio, and at one point, 70% of the American public believed that it was fact. This is what political discourse has come to in our country - the glorification of willful ignorance. Granted, some of the more literate of the "pissed-off" have legitimate beefs on deficit spending, but they offer no solutions. All they do is raise hell and threaten violence - not exactly conducive to working out problems.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

You should qualify your statement: "...people who watch Fox News and listen to talk radio are pissed-off with the government..." Considering that these sources have perfected the use of state-of-the-art brainwashing techniques, is it any wonder they're getting results?

Example: Repeat a bogus claim over and over, and eventually it is accepted as fact. The link between Saddam Hussein and 9/11 was perpetuated by Fox News and talk radio, and at one point, 70% of the American public believed that it was fact. This is what political discourse has come to in our country - the glorification of willful ignorance. Granted, some of the more literate of the "pissed-off" have legitimate beefs on deficit spending, but they offer no solutions. All they do is raise hell and threaten violence - not exactly conducive to working out problems.

JOMAR is a docile old crumb snatcher.

 

[Boxlicker101]

You should qualify your statement: "...people who watch Fox News and listen to talk radio are pissed-off with the government..." Considering that these sources have perfected the use of state-of-the-art brainwashing techniques, is it any wonder they're getting results?

Example: Repeat a bogus claim over and over, and eventually it is accepted as fact. The link between Saddam Hussein and 9/11 was perpetuated by Fox News and talk radio, and at one point, 70% of the American public believed that it was fact. This is what political discourse has come to in our country - the glorification of willful ignorance. Granted, some of the more literate of the "pissed-off" have legitimate beefs on deficit spending, but they offer no solutions. All they do is raise hell and threaten violence - not exactly conducive to working out problems.

Can you actually prove that last statement? I watch Fox News quite a bit, and I don't remember ever seeing or hearing them linking Saddam and 911. I also watch O'Reilly, and he says just the opposite.

 

[Austin8]

Can you actually prove that last statement? I watch Fox News quite a bit, and I don't remember ever seeing or hearing them linking Saddam and 911. I also watch O'Reilly, and he says just the opposite.

Although I don't watch Fox News, I do listen to a lot of talk radio, and I don't remember them ever linking Saddam and 911 either.

 

[TE999]

Somewhat OT:

The military geniuses in Congress have now decreed that we should be fighting Al-Quida et. al. in Pakistan, not Afganistan. Just the other day they decreed that we shouldn't be in Iraq, we need to be in Afghanistan rooting out the terrorists.

At this rate, we'll have hopscotched all over the Middle East in another year or so.

Who remembers Hitler's brilliant generalship on the Eastern Front against Russia?

 

[Loring2]

FCC Vs Rupert

It was FCC rulings. Go to FCC.gov to learn about it.

You doubless alluide to the 1995 case in which the FCC charged that Murdoch's ownership of NEWS Ltd
Thanks for the info ... there's a bit more to it but you are right
Yjanks
Loring

 

[Zeb_Carter]

I wouldn't say they are totally different - "racists" are a subset of "bigots", after all.

I might think you're right, that many of the people being called racists are just plain old bigots, except for the delight these bigots take in pointing out their "non"-racism. Time and again, they spout rhetoric that refers to race obliquely, and then wink as they protest being called racists. "People said Bush looked like a chimp, so that means it's okay if I say Michelle looks like a chimp. Can't you take a joke?" It's a tactic so common on the Right that Stephen Colbert mocks it as a running gag: "I don't see race."

Besides, I really don't see where being a bigot is that big a step up from being a racist. They're both undesirable, repellent traits.

It's actually the other way around...bigots are a subset of racists. Bigots just hate other people because they are different. Where racists think that difference makes the other person inferior.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

It's vaguely possible that some bigots are not racist-- but all racists are bigots.

Show me a bigot who is not racist, anyway. I'll show you someone who's faked it well enough to fool you-- posibly because you want to be fooled.

But if I was to say that all Muslims are not terrorist but almost all terrorists are Muslim you would have a shit fit.

 

[Dragonlipz]

But if I was to say that all Muslims are not terrorist but almost all terrorists are Muslim you would have a shit fit.

The shit fit would be at your enormous ignorance......Tim McVay was not a Muslim....Byron De La Beckwith nor any of his murderous cronies could or would describe themselves as Muslim....The KKK are still very active and they claim to be 'Christian'....

 

[Stella_Omega]

But if I was to say that all Muslims are not terrorist but almost all terrorists are Muslim you would have a shit fit.

You are comparing apples and oranges-- I am comparing apples and apples.


If you said "Almost all the terrorists that Faux News tells me about are Muslim," I wouldn't have a shit fit-- because I already know you've drunk that kool-aide. In reality, there are as many Xtian terrorists, in the minds of Muslims-- it only depends on whether or not you used to live in Baghdad before the bombs hit.


If you lived many South American countries, Muslim terrorists wouldn't make any impact. There are terrorists aplenty-- not religious ones.

I really don't think most terrorists are Muslim, i think most terrorists that want to hit the USA are Muslim-- although we are beginning to see right-wingnuts that want to hit the US Government as well.

 

[DeeZire]

Can you actually prove that last statement? I watch Fox News quite a bit, and I don't remember ever seeing or hearing them linking Saddam and 911. I also watch O'Reilly, and he says just the opposite.

I'm talking about the time period immediately after 9/11. If you want a more recent example, does the phrase "death panel" ring a bell?

Seriously, are you guys trying to defend Fox News as being legitimate? OMG! Get a clue dudes.

 

[Carnevil9]

......Seriously, are you guys trying to defend Fox News as being legitimate?.....

Not in this venue, no. That would be an exercise in futility!.....Carney

 

[Stella_Omega]

Not in this venue, no. That would be an exercise in futility!.....Carney

You're so right Carney; even you must have discovered how much laughter you get defending Fox news anyplace where people actually think for themselves.

You must be used to being laughed out of Dodge by now.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I'm talking about the time period immediately after 9/11. If you want a more recent example, does the phrase "death panel" ring a bell?

Seriously, are you guys trying to defend Fox News as being legitimate? OMG! Get a clue dudes.

Okay, I repeat: Do you have an example of what you said?

I have heard or read the phrase: "death panel" several times. It may have been coined by Sarah Palin, or might not have. It is a reference to the bureacrats who would be rationing health care if that should become necessary. She commented that if rationing were in place, her Downs Syndrome baby would be denied health care, and she might be right. Even now, there is a limited amount of rationing of vital organs for transplanting.

I consider Fox News to be as legit and as balanced as any. They run more negative stories about left wing organizations, such as ACORN than the other networks do because the other networks run so few.