It isn't just liberals (political)

[xssve]

What does Krugman have to do with this, except that he is one of the people who were meant in the two links in the first post?

And, I'm setting up what, and what point is taken and what genie do you mean?

Of course there are some who criticize Obama because of his race. I'm not such a Pollyanna to believe that racism has suddenly ceased to exist. However, there are more who criticize Obama because of some of his policies, and I am one of them. Why would Carter know anything about what I think? Are you aware that he was a Dem. at the time racism and segregation was rampant in Georgia, and the state was mostly run by Dems such as George Wallace and Lester Maddox?

Friedman actually, my bad, and you answered your own question - he is one of the two links in the first post, about which this thread is concerned.

Du-uh, to the second thing, and forget race, quit playing the reverse racism card.

It's one of those genies; once broached publicly, it was deemed to possess an unpleasant ordure, so it's been acknowledged and formally buried with all the due process it merits, see "wrestling with pigs" - stop circle jerking it.

 

[Liar]

I didn't start anything, and personal insults are a concession of an argument.

Only if there actually is an argument. Instead of people talking past each other.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Only if there actually is an argument. Instead of people talking past each other.

The time for debate was long ago; now its time to bust heads with axe-handles. The time has come for one side or the other to prevail with violence. Historically violence settles issues.

 

[Liar]

Might be tricky. Me and my billy club don't know where you live. Which is why Internet Tough Guys like you have such a field day. Too much of a bother to hold you accountable.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Might be tricky. Me and my billy club don't know where you live. Which is why Internet Tough Guys like you have such a field day. Too much of a bother to hold you accountable.

Remind me to invite you over some time. But generally speaking the talking part is over and its time to crack some skulls. No one ever ignores a knot on their head.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Willful ignaorance personified;
You make baby Jesus cry, Zeb.

Not I, Barry, is the one making the tears of blood run down his cheeks.

 

[cloudy]

Not I, Barry, is the one making the tears of blood run down his cheeks.

Who the fuck is Barry?

Barry Manilow? (if you listen to that tripe, you ought to be ashamed)

Barry Bonds?

Marion Barry?

Dave Barry?

If you're speaking of our president, he never goes by "Barry," so your attempt to ridicule him falls really, really short.

OMG GOP WTF?

Y'all are so fucking special needs it's not even funny anymore.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

He gives a whole new meaning to Boo-Barry

 

[penandpaper]

W's administration was uneventful, relatively speaking, until 9-11. There wasn't that much to get upset over. Whereas Obama, in the same period of time, handed out billions in bailouts and has tried to ram a radical medical insurance plan down our resisting throats. When Hillary tried to do something similar early in the Clinton admin. she got the same reception.

I'm not necessarily complaining about all those bailouts. Some were loans and some were the purchase of preferred stock and some have been returned. I do definitely have misgivings over the medical insurance, because I think whatever equalizing is done will be done by making most people, including me, worse off.

That's because Clinton left him with a fucking gold pile of riches a political monkey could have managed. But, alas, that monkey couldn't. He squandered it, and made the bad decisions Clinton made even worse.

And please let's remember, twenty-one countries signed the petition to try Bush as a war criminal. It wasn't just the liberals.

 

[TE999]

Funny, because this is the frst time this decade I haven't felt that way - you're setting it up just by talking like that, that's the point of Krugmans column.

The point is taken, but if you're going to set a precedent, you're gonna have to live with it, and understand that it cuts both ways.

The genie is out of the bottle, you can't just cork it up again when it turns out to be suddenly inconvenient for you.

And if you're telling me that racism has nothing to do with it, I'm calling bullshit, nobody mentioned it until Carter spoke up, and he ought to know - Obama played it off because he knows full well it's counterproductive even if it is true - it'll just turn into the same circle jerk we've been enjoying for the last Eight years - it's irrelevant to running the country which is what he was hired to do by the electorate.

Bottom line: Calling everyone who disagrees with Obama 'racist' is a specious terminology. If it's a comfort to you to think in those terms, go right ahead.

The criticisims will continue no matter how you choose to vilify those who advance them.

 

[Epmd607]

Poll after poll shows the American population wants 'radical' changes in the healthcare system. We can go poll by poll if anyone's interested -- a majority of Americans(such as myself) want a healthcare that covers every citizen. I already have good healthcare, paid for by the US Gov. All I had to do was fight in two pointless wars. Your neighbor shouldn't have to go to Iraq to get his kids covered.

 

[Liar]

Bottom line: Calling everyone who disagrees with Obama 'racist' is a specious terminology. If it's a comfort to you to think in those terms, go right ahead.

The criticisims will continue no matter how you choose to vilify those who advance them.

I'm not surprised you haven't noticed step 2 of this.

Your own sarcastic brawl: "The 'Times' is obviously, as are all critics of Obama, malignantly hate-filled and unashamedly racist."

And Zeb's: "Yeah and I'm a racist because I didn't vote for Barry!"

In none of the cases, there were any accusation of racism against you.

Calling everyone who disagree with you a 'race-baiter'... would that qualify as specious terminology?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I voted for him and I'm still a racist! But I dont care.

 

[Liar]

Actually, ... at least by some definition of the word, 'racist' doesn't mean 'seeing other races as inferior'. Merely as 'assuming non race related traits based on race'.

So then it's possible for instance for a white racist to vote for a black man because he thinks 'them black folks are so good at runnin things'.

The thing we call racism, is actually most often etnocentricm.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I figured we oughta go ahead and get the jungle fever out of our system, let Barry be the fall-guy for every stupid thing hopping down the bunny trail, and the Usual Suspects will be repudiated for another century.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

And Zeb's: "Yeah and I'm a racist because I didn't vote for Barry!"

While true that know one here has called me a racist, it has been said by those with their face in the news and even by some news readers (there are no longer reports telling you the news on the so called news programs) that anyone that opposes PrezBO's plans is a 'racist'.

And now that they have utilized that word so often it is beginning to lose it's meaning.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Come over to the Dark Side, ZEB!

Hold on! Follow the light!

 

[Stella_Omega]

While true that know one here has called me a racist, it has been said by those with their face in the news and even by some news readers (there are no longer reports telling you the news on the so called news programs) that anyone that opposes Prez Obama's plans is a 'racist'.

And now that they have utilized that word so often it is beginning to lose it's meaning.

A lot of people who thought they'd hidden their bigotry are shocked to find out how visible it is. They would like to be able to say the word has lost its meaning, but they are wrong-- it's just as meaningful as ever.

 

[xssve]

Bottom line: Calling everyone who disagrees with Obama 'racist' is a specious terminology. If it's a comfort to you to think in those terms, go right ahead.

The criticisims will continue no matter how you choose to vilify those who advance them.

You're confusing me with someone else, I'm not responsible for other people, liberal or otherwise, exercising their right to express their opinions - contrary to conservative mythology, we don't all take marching orders from the DNC, or even pay much attention to them at all most of the time.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

A lot of people who thought they'd hidden their bigotry are shocked to find out how visible it is. They would like to be able to say the word has lost its meaning, but they are wrong-- it's just as meaningful as ever.

Bigotry and Racism are totally different things, yet people today equate bigotry as racism, so don't say it hasn't lost its meaning. It has when people use it to describe a bigot.

 

[Huckleman2000]

Bigotry and Racism are totally different things, yet people today equate bigotry as racism, so don't say it hasn't lost its meaning. It has when people use it to describe a bigot.

I wouldn't say they are totally different - "racists" are a subset of "bigots", after all.

I might think you're right, that many of the people being called racists are just plain old bigots, except for the delight these bigots take in pointing out their "non"-racism. Time and again, they spout rhetoric that refers to race obliquely, and then wink as they protest being called racists. "People said Bush looked like a chimp, so that means it's okay if I say Michelle looks like a chimp. Can't you take a joke?" It's a tactic so common on the Right that Stephen Colbert mocks it as a running gag: "I don't see race."

Besides, I really don't see where being a bigot is that big a step up from being a racist. They're both undesirable, repellent traits.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

People confuse racism with ethnocentrism.

 

[Liar]

Come over to the Dark Side, ZEB!

Hold on! Follow the light!

Um...

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I mean, they believe youre racist, so give em 3 bags full.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Bigotry and Racism are totally different things, yet people today equate bigotry as racism, so don't say it hasn't lost its meaning. It has when people use it to describe a bigot.

It's vaguely possible that some bigots are not racist-- but all racists are bigots.

Show me a bigot who is not racist, anyway. I'll show you someone who's faked it well enough to fool you-- posibly because you want to be fooled.