Canada has unfair health-care advantages

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Canada has so many unfair health-care advantages, it makes Americans sick

BRUCE McCALL
[Globe and Mail, 9-18-09]

NEW YORK


Below is the full text of a document meant to be tucked into all American high-school social studies textbooks and American medical dictionaries, e-mailed to every member of Congress and senator, and printed in large type on the reverse side of all drug prescriptions written in the U.S.

It was wrapped around a rock and hurled through the window of the Canadian embassy in Washington, D.C., late last night, allegedly by a disgruntled Big Pharma mailroom employee who vanished immediately afterward under suspicious circumstances.

Canadian health-care costs are artificially lowered, and life expectancy artificially prolonged, by the lack of gunshot wounds, a direct consequence of the nation's centrist-liberal-socialist-Marxist-Stalinist-type suppression of the constitutionally guaranteed right to kill and maim.

Felling giant trees, chopping firewood, playing ice hockey, tapping maple trees for syrup on long winter days and fishing for cod even when it rains helps to make Canadians immune to carpal tunnel syndrome, gout, microwave radiation and myriad other profitable ailments contracted by Americans in their more civilized indoor lifestyle.

A huge percentage of Canadians are Inuit, who are not only weatherproof but also dump their sick old folks out into the Arctic night instead of into nursing homes, saving the government billions in geriatric health-care costs.

Every doctor knows that sub-Arctic Canada's frigid climate kills millions of germs that thrive in temperate regions such as the United States, so myriad costly illnesses - e.g. dengue fever, malaria, sleeping sickness - are unknown in the greyish, blustery Great White North. No wonder Canadian health care is cheaper.

Canada's notorious governmental interference in people's personal lives leads to early detection of rashes, limps, boils and other telltale physical symptoms, cheating the medical fraternity of income from lingering illnesses.

Everybody knows that
the Queen of England and the Duke of Edinburgh detest people who sniffle, cough, break out in fever sweats etc. in their presence. Ever-deferential Canadians thus conceal any symptoms of illness in case they should run into Her Majesty and her consort, making them seem healthier.

Depressed at being right across the border and yet not real Americans, thousands of Canadians sink into apathy, neglecting personal grooming and health concerns, avoiding proper medical care and falsely depicting a healthy population by underreporting illness.

The Mounties, famous for always getting their man, go out on patrol in remote regions and find sick people, especially aboriginal Canadians and aliens, who would be entitled to no care in the U.S., and drag them in to hospital for free. Ambulance and stretcher costs are all but eliminated in another unfair Canadian advantage over the American system.

Canada's fierce winters generate cataclysmic blizzards that discourage the sick and elderly from even trying to snowshoe their way to the nearest clinic or hospital, artificially lowering Canada's statistics on hospital-bed occupancy compared with U.S. figures, which they can then brag about.

Polar bears forced southward from the melting Arctic by global warming eat many Canadians who might otherwise be filing expensive medical claims.

Bruce McCall is a Canadian
 
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And the funny thing is, Americans believe this shit as truth. I love going to Florida and telling them how pissed off I was having to leave my dog team and sled at the border, because America doesn't have igloos for them. I've seen Americans crossing the border in July with skis on their roofracks, like we have snow year round. All this and other great myths we love to perpetuate and confuse our American bretherin
 
Why would anyone wanna be like a Canadian? There cant be an up-side to anything they do, becuz theyre Canadians. They dont feel the same sort of embarrassment a Limey feels when he confirms his nativity; Canadians, afterall, merely bite the heads off chickens, they never long to be an actual fowl as the Limey does.
 
Why would anyone wanna be like a Canadian? There cant be an up-side to anything they do, becuz theyre Canadians. They dont feel the same sort of embarrassment a Limey feels when he confirms his nativity; Canadians, afterall, merely bite the heads off chickens, they never long to be an actual fowl as the Limey does.

You really are a funny guy JBJ!! Ever been to Canada? Almost like America, except only better. We don't feel the embarrassment because we don't have anything to be embarrassed about. Ever travel outside the confines of your country and hear what the world has to say about Americans? They don't say that about Canadians. Our little Red and white Maple Leaf flag stands for things America only wishes it did
 
Don't encourage losers Lance! Over here we're proud of our Canadian brothers and sisters and just one of their good points, is that they don't post on author's threads when they aren't even authors!

They don't get jealous and abusive just because other countries healthcare systems may be streets ahead of theirs either.
 
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I'm always amused when I'm on the phone with an American and they comment on my accent, or correct how I say 'About'. 'Specially when their from Alabama. I wonder how in the world they can call my slightly different way of pronouncing words as an accent. :confused:

Love my sled dogs though. Real useful for getting around in downtown Montreal in the middle of a blizzard :rolleyes:
 
I love Canadians. I can't help myself. I am finding that most of my online friends tend to be from Canada. Hopefully soon, I too can be considered a Canadian, even if I am a transplant!

Oh, and the unfair health advantages...*snicker*

I have gone to Canada on several occasions. I used to live only a few hours from the border when Americans could go in with just their driver's license. *I miss that* I have actually seen people with skis and snow shoes on their car racks in the middle of summer and shook my head wondering at their non-intelligence.
 
I will say this for Canadians; Canadian pussy is the best on the planet! But then, Canadian girls get their pussy genes from both parents.

I went to New Foundland once.

Lets see: I've been to Italy, Spain, Germany, Japan, Vietnam, Canada, Bahamas, Azore Islands, and Alaska.
 
Over here we're proud of our Canadian brothers and sisters and just one of their good points, is that they don't post on author's threads when they aren't even authors!
[minor threadjack] Teloz, is that you in the avatar? :eek: Ooh! You're cute! :D And you do look just like the gnome (kids come up to you at Christmas time, don't they?:eek:).[/threadjack]
 
I'm still wondering where in Canada they still say Eh. Good day Eh, ya hoser is another of the fun pokes at ourselves. Sad Angel, just get here and you can be Canadian. We have new licences in Ontario called 'enhanced drivers licences' that allow us to cross the border without a passport. Just another great idea from Canadians. JBJ, guys travel from around the world to be with our women, something about the clean air and water and the wholesome food that turns out some very fine girls. We didn't start our national anthem of as Oh Canada for nothing. That was after guys had spent a night with our women.
 
Love my sled dogs though. Real useful for getting around in downtown Montreal in the middle of a blizzard :rolleyes:
My husband and I were just in Montreal. We were SO disappointed that it was summer and all we got to see were those nifty bikes that anyone can rent to ride anywhere. Imagine. A whole city with racks of bikes that you can rent and ride...what are you guys thinking? And Not a sled in sight (yearning to go back! Bonjour! Bonjour!).
 
one need only do the math.

canada infant mortality 4.8 per thousand live births.
US infant mortality, 6.3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate


since there are 3,000,000 live births per year in the US, this means that about 6,000 US newborns die each year, that would not have died in Canada.

taking the best european case, Sweden with 3.2 deaths per 1000. so the difference is about 3 per thousand.

that means more than 10,000 US babies are dying EACH YEAR that wouldn't have, in Sweden. three times the total deaths of US soldiers in Iraq over several years. (taking France as more typical, generates a figure of about 8,000 US babies dying per year that would not have died in France.)

:rose:
 
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[minor threadjack] Teloz, is that you in the avatar? :eek: Ooh! You're cute! :D And you do look just like the gnome (kids come up to you at Christmas time, don't they?:eek:).[/threadjack]

[another minor threadjack] Alas, I confess, it is I, and yes, the kids do come up to me at Christmas, especially if I've let my beard grow a bit :)[/threadjack]

Sorry folks!
 
My husband and I were just in Montreal. We were SO disappointed that it was summer and all we got to see were those nifty bikes that anyone can rent to ride anywhere. Imagine. A whole city with racks of bikes that you can rent and ride...what are you guys thinking? And Not a sled in sight (yearning to go back! Bonjour! Bonjour!).

If you go to Old Montreal you'll see horses pulling buggies, that's about it. The bikes are interesting, never tried em though (I have my own bike ;) )

Better to come in the summer I think. We're getting less and less snow in the winter, even had a few green christmas's. Don't ski much but from what I've heard the weather's not been good for it for awhile. I live here so it's hard to see it as a tourist spot. There's some nice art centers and old buildings, but on the whole I'd rather go overseas for a vacation.
 
one need only do the math.

canada infant mortality 4.8 per thousand live births.
US infant mortality, 6.3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate


since there are 3,000,000 live births per year in the US, this means that about 6,000 US newborns die each year, that would not have died in Canada.

taking the best european case, Sweden with 3.2 deaths per 1000. so the difference is about 3 per thousand.

that means more than 10,000 US babies are dying EACH YEAR that wouldn't have, in Sweden. three times the total deaths of US soldiers in Iraq over several years. (taking France as more typical, generates a figure of about 8,000 US babies dying per year that would not have died in France.)

:rose:


So, basically, you're saying anyone who supports maintaining the status quo here in the USA is supporting murder? And not just murder, but the murder of infants? It will be interesting to see how the Right-to-Lifers try to weasel out of this one.
 
one need only do the math.

canada infant mortality 4.8 per thousand live births.
US infant mortality, 6.3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate


since there are 3,000,000 live births per year in the US, this means that about 6,000 US newborns die each year, that would not have died in Canada.

taking the best european case, Sweden with 3.2 deaths per 1000. so the difference is about 3 per thousand.

that means more than 10,000 US babies are dying EACH YEAR that wouldn't have, in Sweden. three times the total deaths of US soldiers in Iraq over several years. (taking France as more typical, generates a figure of about 8,000 US babies dying per year that would not have died in France.)

:rose:

And to think, a lot of those live births in Canada are going to end up being hot Canadian babes. How great is that!
Proud to be Canadian!!
 
note to Dee Zire

So, basically, you're saying anyone who supports maintaining the status quo here in the USA is supporting murder? And not just murder, but the murder of infants? It will be interesting to see how the Right-to-Lifers try to weasel out of this one.

in the US, infants, the homeless, the old are not exactly 'murdered,' though everyone knows the score. they are let die.

if you want the appropriate crime, how about 'criminal negligence leading to death.' like when parents are so busy partying and smoking crack they do not feed their infant properly, so it dies.

PS: it's important to add that US prenatal care [lack of], overall is a large contributor; the newborn deaths are not simply due to what happens during delivery. US women are suffering and dying also.
 
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So, basically, you're saying anyone who supports maintaining the status quo here in the USA is supporting murder? And not just murder, but the murder of infants? It will be interesting to see how the Right-to-Lifers try to weasel out of this one.

in the US, infants, the homeless, the old are not exactly 'murdered,' though everyone knows the score. they are let die.

if you want the appropriate crime, how about 'criminal negligence leading to death.' like when parents are so busy partying and smoking crack they do not feed their infant properly, so it dies.

PS: it's important to add that US prenatal care [lack of], overall is a large contributor; the newborn deaths are not simply due to what happens during delivery. US women are suffering and dying also.

That's why universal health care in Canada makes sure all women are treated to the best care before and after birth to make sure mother and child have the best chances. The largest part of Canada's infant mortality are in Aboriginal peoples who still don't seek medical care. The next part is the immigrants who don't understand how the system works. Education and persistence to inform them will have our stats drop soon.
 
That's why universal health care in Canada makes sure all women are treated to the best care before and after birth to make sure mother and child have the best chances. The largest part of Canada's infant mortality are in Aboriginal peoples who still don't seek medical care. The next part is the immigrants who don't understand how the system works. Education and persistence to inform them will have our stats drop soon.
Ha! You say that, but we know all about your secret death panels! Our Alaskans have been watching you folks and telling us about the evils of your health care system....
 
That's why universal health care in Canada makes sure all women are treated to the best care before and after birth to make sure mother and child have the best chances. The largest part of Canada's infant mortality are in Aboriginal peoples who still don't seek medical care. The next part is the immigrants who don't understand how the system works. Education and persistence to inform them will have our stats drop soon.

Funny you should say that, but even in our poor benighted country with our outdated socialist healthcare system, we're 13 places above the USA, we're even two places above Canada, must be the death panels! :rolleyes: Shit! Even Cuba and Guam do better!

I loved the link the fuckwit posted, that broke infant mortality down by ethnic group, and guess which ethnic group came out top? You guessed it, the most disenfranchised sector of the population and, I'm guessing here, probably the least likely to have health insurance. The group that always comes last for the good shit and first for the bad shit.
 
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Funny you should say that, but even in our poor benighted country with our outdated socialist healthcare system, we're 13 places above the USA, we're even two places above Canada, must be the death panels! :rolleyes: Shit! Even Cuba and Guam do better!
Ha! We read how you've got sick people piling up in the hospital corridors! One of our members posted the article from a very, very reputable British newspaper telling us how awful it is :rolleyes: You can't fool us! That socialized medicine does nothing but create horrific bureaucracies.

The Gubmint fable told me so.
 
Ha! We read how you've got sick people piling up in the hospital corridors! One of our members posted the article from a very, very reputable British newspaper telling us how awful it is :rolleyes: You can't fool us! That socialized medicine does nothing but create horrific bureaucracies.

The Gubmint fable told me so.

Too right 3113, did you know we even treat Americans free of charge if they come over on vacation, try to cross the street and look left instead of right? :) We don't even charge them for lifting the London bus off them! :) That socialised medicine's a real bummer! :rolleyes:
 
one need only do the math.

canada infant mortality 4.8 per thousand live births.
US infant mortality, 6.3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate


since there are 3,000,000 live births per year in the US, this means that about 6,000 US newborns die each year, that would not have died in Canada.

taking the best european case, Sweden with 3.2 deaths per 1000. so the difference is about 3 per thousand.

that means more than 10,000 US babies are dying EACH YEAR that wouldn't have, in Sweden. three times the total deaths of US soldiers in Iraq over several years. (taking France as more typical, generates a figure of about 8,000 US babies dying per year that would not have died in France.)

:rose:
In all fairness the population of the US is about 10 times that of Canada. Let's leave mortality figures out of the debate.

My community doesn't have enough doctors to be primary care physicians to all of the pregnant women, infants, children, aged and ill so the image of crammed waiting rooms is accurate. People are walking away to suffer through the long term of a condition that if treated would be cured quite quickly and painlessly. Even so, triage still works and those with the most urgent need are taken first.
 
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In all fairness the population of the US is about 10 times that of Canada. Let's leave mortality figures out of the debate.

My community doesn't have enough doctors to be primary care physicians to all of the pregnant women, infants, children, aged and ill so the image of crammed waiting rooms is accurate. People are walking away to suffer through the long term of a condition that if treated would be cured quite quickly and painlessly. Even so, triage still works and those with the most urgent need are taken first.

I'm sorry to take issue with you Champagne, I can understand that quoting those particular figures may be distressing to you, but the figures were per 1000 of the population, so population numbers are immaterial.

In my (as some people would have you believe) outdated and inefficient socialised health system I can see a doctor whenever I need to, on the same day if it's urgent, within two hours if I need to call the out-of-hours service, two to three weeks if there's no rush and I want to see a specific doctor.

Our waiting rooms are rarely full and the doctors take as long as you need. If I have to wait half-an-hour because they're running late, what the hell, it might be me that needs the extra time next time. If my problem is life threatening, I can have an ambulance and/or a paramedic with me in eight to fifteen minutes. Eight minutes is the target time.

If the paramedic is so concerned that they think my case is beyond the capacity of a land ambulance they can call on a helicopter air ambulance and have me in a teaching hospital in ten to fifteen minutes.

All this (except for the helicopter which is paid for by public subscription) is paid for from a part of Income Tax we call National Insurance, and it still costs half that per head of the population than the cost per head of American health care.

Yes, we do occasionally get glitches and have patients on gurneys in corridors, but these incidents are very rare and usually have an underlying cause, like a multiple injury road accident. Occasionally someone just plain gets it wrong, but what system is infallible?

As for pre-natal, maternity and post natal treatment, that is all undertaken by midwives, essentially specially trained nurses, who still have the doctors and the hospital to back them up if the need arises.

You can pay for healthcare in the UK, if, for example, you needed a hip replacement, you might have to wait two to three months on the NHS. If you wish you can pay however many £1000s it costs for private treatment and get it done in a couple of weeks, probably by the same surgeon! No reduction in choice there then.

I think that despite the best efforts of your President, you'll end up with a half-arsed system that serves nobody well and a lot of people not at all!
 
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