Mandatory Health Insurance?

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

It's not voluntary for the patients/subscribers but it is voluntary for the providers.

The hospital corporations made THAT point to the HMOs. Recall that HMOs were gonna rein in costs. Well, the hospitals tossed the HMO bums onto the street until they got more money. The HMO guys had their way with the kiddie psychiatric hospitals, but couldnt screw the big generals. So look for insurance costs to go nuts once the Feds take over.

 

[Teloz]

It isn't a matter of the US being able to afford socialized medicine, we can.

It is a matter that it doesn't work, ever, anyplace it has been tried. Care is rationed, waiting lines are untenable, procedures are determined by committee, and the society is taxed into bankruptcy to support the inevitable bureaucracy of the system.

Have you ever lived in any of those places Ami? If you haven't where do you get off making such sweeping statements? Isn't healthcare rationed in the US by the ability to pay for it?

But the most important reason is a small thing ignored by most, that of human dignity and individual rights. In America we cherish that very valuable aspect of human existence, individual freedom and the right to choose how we live our lives.

You folks on the other hand are eager to sacrifice the rights of medical professionals to determine their circumstances and happily turn their lives over to a committee of hired clerks and accountants. I would be interested to know if your rhetoric would change if you were suddenly left penniless, with no job, and a long term illness like diabetes.

Even in the UK someone rich or stupid enough can pay for healthcare if they wish and many doctors run private practices, some run them alongside their NHS practices. In particular surgeons and cosmetic surgeons.

As I said in this post or another, I wonder what mental deficiency lies at the root of those who desire to be enslaved, who will exchange their freedom for safety, comfort and security. Sheep are close, I guess, Porcine is more fitting.

I may have mentioned this before, but I'll say it again; amicus my friend, your intelligence is only exceeded by your ability to talk unutterable bollocks! I repeat the question, I would be interested to know if your rhetoric would change if you were suddenly left penniless, with no job, and a long term illness like diabetes?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

TELOZ

Duh! Everywhere on Earth the elites get preferential care. The old Soviet Empire showcased how preferences are made in an equal society. And every society milks the middle class to do it, and once they exhaust-deplete the middle class, the system fails. It has always been true and will forever be true.

Society always fails where the elites & peons produce nothing.

 

[lance gt]

Amicus has never been to Canada I take it. Our health care is primarily free. Our doctors are well compensated and enjoy self promotion to enter any field they desire to try. There are no bookkeepers or accountants to stop them. People enjoy a wide range of services that only requires a card to get them. It shows no signs of be weakened or lessened in its effectiveness, no matter what the influx of immigration is. Doctors who have studied here and attained their certificates, have gone to the States for the almighty dollar and are returning ,when they see how difficult a system it is to practice in. Come to Canada Ami, see what it's like to enjoy low-cost medications, full services and all at the presentation of a card. Once you have seen it first hand, then go back and look at what you have and say the things you are. Make your comments from first hand experience, not from third party rhetoric.

 

[rgraham666]

An former insurance executive ponders the U.S. health care debate.

 

[Teloz]

TELOZ

Duh! Everywhere on Earth the elites get preferential care. The old Soviet Empire showcased how preferences are made in an equal society. And every society milks the middle class to do it, and once they exhaust-deplete the middle class, the system fails. It has always been true and will forever be true.

Society always fails where the elites & peons produce nothing.

The point I was trying to make though James, is that the treatment isn't preferential. Okay, you may wait a while to get your ingrown toenail sorted, though usually something like that would be done at your GP's surgery, but if you are diagnosed with cancer your wait is a matter of days and you see a consultant, not a hanger-on.

Are you trying to tell me that all the people in the US who don't have health care are unemployed? If not then they must be producing something, even if it's only something to hold up the "middle class". By the way, what happened to the classless American society someone was bleating about earlier? What constitutes the "upper class"? Something else your soulless society measures by fame or fortune I surmise.

You lot wouldn't recognise real socialism if it jumped out and bit your leg!

 

[Teloz]

A former insurance executive ponders the U.S. health care debate.

I couldn't agree more! There are none so blind as those who will not see, and none so deaf as those who will not hear.

 

[Boxlicker101]

What do you think that deduction on your paycheck labeled FICA is? A lot pf people said that would never pass Constitutional muster either.

Now the grandchildren of those people are waving signs at town hall meetings, screaming "Don't touch my Social Security!"

That may be called insurance but it isn't. It's kind of like payments to a Ponzi scheme, where workers and their employees put money in and the people hope to get it back, with interest, many years in the future. Some do and some don't get it back. I have some doubt that the current SCOTUS would find it Constitutional if it were to be challenged.

 

[Boxlicker101]

An former insurance executive ponders the U.S. health care debate.

Isn't "The Star" a scandal sheet similar to "The Natiional Enquirer" or the British equivalent that was so castigated on another thread?

Possibly the one I am thinking of is only in the US.

 

[Liar]

Isn't "The Star" a scandal sheet similar to "The Natiional Enquirer" or the British equivalent that was so castigated on another thread?

Possibly the one I am thinking of is only in the US.

No idea which one you're thinking about. The Totonto Star is one of the more sober newspapers out there. It's got an open political bias, but that's nothing unique.

 

[Boxlicker101]

No idea which one you're thinking about. The Totonto Star is one of the more sober newspapers out there. It's got an open political bias, but that's nothing unique.

Okay, this is the one I was thinking of. Apparently there is no connection.

http://www.starmagazine.com/

ETA: I think most newspapers have an open political bias, usually Liberal or Dem.

 

[KarennaC]

I live in Massachusetts (only since June), where health insurance is mandatory. The state provides insurance through Medicaid and other funding for those who can't afford it and/or whose employer doesn't provide it.

 

[rgraham666]

Isn't "The Star" a scandal sheet similar to "The Natiional Enquirer" or the British equivalent that was so castigated on another thread?

Possibly the one I am thinking of is only in the US.

Liar nailed it.

If you want the Toronto equivalent of The Enquirer read The Sun. They do have one good columnist though.

 

[lance gt]

Liar nailed it.

If you want the Toronto equivalent of The Enquirer read The Sun. They do have one good columnist though.

The only reason anyone reads the "Sun", is for the Sunshine Girl On the second last page. They're what we scrapbook with, post on walls and generally fanatasize about, hoping to meet them. Most are strippers though, lol