We The People

[TE999]

As for the DHS, Napolitan released a memo that mention gun rights & pro life supporters as people to keep an eye on, along with returning combat Vets.! Needless to say the Vet part caused quite a stink. This was in March or April.

The electronic voting machines are too easy to mess with. Diebold has one that can't count accurately and doesn't have a paper trail. It is the worst but there is at least one other that is nearly as bad. I would rather go back to paper ballots and I'm a computer tech with some decent programming skills!

We need watermarked paper ballots, an independent non-partisan company to tabulate them, proper verifiable ID at polling places and to dye all voters thumbs purple.

That'd put a kink in ACORN's exhaust.

 

[DesertPirate]

We need watermarked paper ballots, an independent non-partisan company to tabulate them, proper verifiable ID at polling places and to dye all voters thumbs purple.

That'd put a kink in ACORN's exhaust.

I do like the way it is here, we have equal teams from both parties running the polling places. Makes it really hard to mess with it!

 

[Xelebes]

Obama, I believe is the worst thing that has happened to this country. The past hundred years have been a bad time for this county and the freedom guaranteed by the Constitution. There is tangible evidence of this in Washington DC this very minute.

Just want to see which page we are on - who made the 20th Century a bad time for the US?

 

[Boxlicker101]

For every belief there is an opposite belief.

For every argument there is an equally passionate opposing argument.

Without the forum of verbal intercourse no one would know anything of the other side of an argument.

What you believe in is your's, to do with as you wish.

What I believe in is mine. I usually believe in things that are tangible and can be touched, handled or have made their presence known. Those things that have no substance, are not tangible, can't be touched or have no presences are things I am not willing to believe.

Therefore :

Organized Religion is a waste of my time. I know of no one that has proven there is a God.

Global Warming, it was hotter out when I was a teenager. So far I have seen no tangible proof of global warming. No matter how many people scream and call me a denier.

Obama, I believe is the worst thing that has happened to this country. The past hundred years have been a bad time for this county and the freedom guaranteed by the Constitution. There is tangible evidence of this in Washington DC this very minute.

There has been no tangible proof of conspiracy. Of any kind.

That one was for all the people that asked if I believed in a conspiracy in Washington.

Without expressing any opinion on much of what you have said, I would take very strong issue with the statement I have bolded.

In the last hundred years, the vote has been extended to the half of the adult population to whom it had previously denied. The right of men and women who love each other but who happen to be of different races has been established by the striking down of the miscegnation laws that used to exist in most states.

And, the right of you and me and everybody else to write dirty stories on Literotica has been confirmed.

 

[Boxlicker101]

As for the DHS, Napolitan released a memo that mention gun rights & pro life supporters as people to keep an eye on, along with returning combat Vets.! Needless to say the Vet part caused quite a stink. This was in March or April.

She really did say that. Later, she apologized, but just barely, to veterans.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/fir...ending-veterans-dhs-eyes-rightwing-extremism/

 

[Liar]

As for the DHS, Napolitan released a memo that mention gun rights & pro life supporters as people to keep an eye on, along with returning combat Vets.! Needless to say the Vet part caused quite a stink. This was in March or April.

Oh, I remember the stink. The knee-jerk 'how daaaare she??!!' outrage from the right wing pundits, and the glib 'wtf are the right wing pundits screaming about this time?' recation from the left wing pundits. So I read the damn report. (A report issued by the Bush administration and Napolitano's predecessor, I might add.)

It calls for attention to the possible threat of domestic terrorism from "white supremacy extremist and militia/sovereign-citizen extremist groups". And within it's mentioned that those have been targeting, among others, Iraq and Afghanistan vets for recruitment. It also mentions pro gun rights and anti abortion as two of those extremist groups' key issues, combined with a willingness towards or a least a strong rhetoric advocating violence.

The main concerns in the report was two-fold. First, there was the recruitment thing. That among disgruntled vets (don't tell me those don't exist) there would be a certain amount impessionable enough (which is true for ANY given population), to join those groups and thereby lending them military training and combat experience. This somehow got twisted by the right wing attack dogs into "Napolitano says War Heros are Terrorists!!!"

The other concern was that the culture within those groups could drive individuals within or close to those groups to commit rnadom acts of violence. Which kind of happned not too long ago with that abortion doctor. So was the report wrong about that?

 

[amicus]

Liar...a reasonable response to a reasonable assessment of domestic threats that has perhaps been overblown, but still, to look upon Veterans of any war in that manner and publicize the assessment is clumsy at best.

One the other hand, intellectual radical such as myself, are truly concerned about the future of the nation regarding the obvious leftward drift and the dissolution of that which America used to think and be.

It could well be simply the changing times and my generation is not willing to accept the changes or it may well mean, as I tend to think it does, that a revolution is brewing from the bottom up because of the depression, unemployment and uncertainty on all fronts concerning the action and inaction of the new administration.

I, for one, and there are many more, and I know that because I remain in communication with them, who feel that a revolution to regain those basic rights is long overdue. I was writing reactionary revolutionary tracts in the late 60's and through the seventies into the eighties.

I sense change is afoot and I regret I am no longer the voice I was at one time in such matters.

Amicus

 

[Liar]

Liar...a reasonable response to a reasonable assessment of domestic threats that has perhaps been overblown, but still, to look upon Veterans of any war in that manner and publicize the assessment is clumsy at best.

In what manner? It says nothing about veterans per se. It merely states that those extremist groups views veterans as a demographic suitable to target for recruitment, for whatever reason.

They do. It is what it is. Should the report omit that, just because it might hurt somebody's feelings? I don't get it.

 

[amicus]

Liar...."...They do. It is what it is. Should the report omit that, just because it might hurt somebody's feelings? I don't get it...."

Yes, it is what it is, I don't question that, but thousands of wounded veterans and thousand more killed in action, there families, friends, relatives, to hear/read that there own government does not trust them...that is the part you don't get, I would imagine.

We shall see...

Amicus

 

[Liar]

Liar...."...They do. It is what it is. Should the report omit that, just because it might hurt somebody's feelings? I don't get it...."

Yes, it is what it is, I don't question that, but thousands of wounded veterans and thousand more killed in action, there families, friends, relatives, to hear/read that there own government does not trust them...that is the part you don't get, I would imagine.

The report does not in any way, shape or form say that the government distrusts war vererans. It says that right wing extremists think they can recruit them. That is not, I repeat, not the same. Not even close. The only indication that the government are distrusting war vets are coming from the partisan pundirty machine, who found a footnote to pervert to their own propagandistic purposes and pounce upon.

Again, I ask. This was a factor that the DHS investigation found. How would you have wanted them to handle it? Put their fingers in their ears and go la-la-la-la?

 

[DesertPirate]

Again, I ask. This was a factor that the DHS investigation found. How would you have wanted them to handle it? Put their fingers in their ears and go la-la-la-la?

Which is what they have been doing about Iran?
I have no confidence in the Spineless in Chief.

 

[Liar]

Which is what they have been doing about Iran?
I have no confidence in the Spineless in Chief.

Good off topic non answer.

 

[TE999]

The report does not in any way, shape or form say that the government distrusts war vererans. It says that right wing extremists think they can recruit them. That is not, I repeat, not the same. Not even close. The only indication that the government are distrusting war vets are coming from the partisan pundirty machine, who found a footnote to pervert to their own propagandistic purposes and pounce upon.

Again, I ask. This was a factor that the DHS investigation found. How would you have wanted them to handle it? Put their fingers in their ears and go la-la-la-la?

Interestingly enough, an essentially similar concern was raised in the aftermath of WWII. All these fresh faced young American soldier/patriots who initially returned to ticker tape parades were now feared as trained killers by psychologists and other pundits. I'm sure a few vets went off the rails, but in the main they returned to civilian life and began reproducing in record numbers. I guess that's where that slogan 'Make love, not war' started.

 

[Liar]

Interestingly enough, an essentially similar concern was raised in the aftermath of WWII. All these fresh faced young American soldier/patriots who initially returned to ticker tape parades were now feared as trained killers by psychologists and other pundits.

Who do you mean is having that concern now?

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Just want to see which page we are on - who made the 20th Century a bad time for the US?

Every president and senator and representative. Who else?

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Without expressing any opinion on much of what you have said, I would take very strong issue with the statement I have bolded.

In the last hundred years, the vote has been extended to the half of the adult population to whom it had previously denied. The right of men and women who love each other but who happen to be of different races has been established by the striking down of the miscegnation laws that used to exist in most states.

And, the right of you and me and everybody else to write dirty stories on Literotica has been confirmed.

True but, how many freedoms have been given up by us all?

 

[rgraham666]

If America is such an evil, corrupt place why are you still living there?

 

[TE999]

If America is such an evil, corrupt place why are you still living there?

Because the rest of the world's no better and in many places, even worse.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

If America is such an evil, corrupt place why are you still living there?

Because, it could be such a better place and besides I born here. And even though what is happening sucks, things just may turn around.

Oh and where would I go that I could support myself?

 

[Boxlicker101]

Originally posted by Zeb Carter:

Organized Religion is a waste of my time. I know of no one that has proven there is a God.

Global Warming, it was hotter out when I was a teenager. So far I have seen no tangible proof of global warming. No matter how many people scream and call me a denier.

Obama, I believe is the worst thing that has happened to this country. The past hundred years have been a bad time for this county and the freedom guaranteed by the Constitution. There is tangible evidence of this in Washington DC this very minute.
There has been no tangible proof of conspiracy. Of any kind.

That one was for all the people that asked if I believed in a conspiracy in Washington.

Originally Posted by Boxlicker101
Without expressing any opinion on much of what you have said, I would take very strong issue with the statement I have bolded.

In the last hundred years, the vote has been extended to the half of the adult population to whom it had previously denied. The right of men and women who love each other but who happen to be of different races has been established by the striking down of the miscegnation laws that used to exist in most states.

And, the right of you and me and everybody else to write dirty stories on Literotica has been confirmed.

True but, how many freedoms have been given up by us all?

I don't know, but you're the one who is making a claim. Personally, I don't know of any rights that I have lost since 1909. I do know that back then, I would not have been allowed to marry my wife and live with her.

Suppose you list these freedoms that we have all given up?

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Originally posted by Zeb Carter:

Originally Posted by Boxlicker101
Without expressing any opinion on much of what you have said, I would take very strong issue with the statement I have bolded.

In the last hundred years, the vote has been extended to the half of the adult population to whom it had previously denied. The right of men and women who love each other but who happen to be of different races has been established by the striking down of the miscegnation laws that used to exist in most states.

And, the right of you and me and everybody else to write dirty stories on Literotica has been confirmed.


I don't know, but you're the one who is making a claim. Personally, I don't know of any rights that I have lost since 1909. I do know that back then, I would not have been allowed to marry my wife and live with her.

Suppose you list these freedoms that we have all given up?

Just in the twentieth century now:

1. I have to give up almost half my paycheck to the government.
2. I really have no say in what congress does.
3. The money they make me contribute to Social Security will never pay me a dime.

There's three to start.

 

[Huckleman2000]

Just in the twentieth century now:

1. I have to give up almost half my paycheck to the government.
2. I really have no say in what congress does.
3. The money they make me contribute to Social Security will never pay me a dime.

There's three to start.

Not that you've made any sense up to this point, But you realize that those aren't "rights" you've lost, don't you? You just have some policy disagreements with the government. Those things have, at best, a tangential relationship to the Bill of Rights.

You don't have a "right" to have a government that does or doesn't do what you wished it would.

 

[amicus]

Huckleman:

"...You don't have a "right" to have a government that does or doesn't do what you wished it would...."

~~~

Actually we all have the right to object to the actions of our government.

And the 'rights' that have been lost in the last century are almost uncountable if you dare look into the tens of thousands of statutes in each State and at the Federal level, that limit the freedoms supposedly 'unalienable' as enumerated in our founding documents.

The first ten thousand: every, 'license', permission from government, that you must acquire before driving a car or riding a bicycle or steering a boat.

You won't understand even that and if you did, would reject it, but our form of government was created to 'protect' those innate rights of life, liberty and property, not regulate and control them.

Try real hard, Huck, a think your way out of a dictatorship, a monarchy, the collective that limits your actions to suit its' needs and just imagine what a totally 'free' existence would mean to you and all the other odd three hundred million Americans who once understood, fought for and acquired freedom, only to let it be frittered away.

I realize this is a little abstract for most, you can't even imagine living without the guidance of government. What ever would you do? How would you know which side of the road to drive on, which was the 'safe' loaf of bread to eat, whether or not to insure your life, your home, your car & boat...no need to think, you have allowed government to do it for you with the use of force.

A wasted effort on most, I know....but what the hell...I had a free moment...



Amicus

 

[DesertPirate]

Who do you mean is having that concern now?

The anti military/anti war types that Obama (who is one himself) has put in charge of most of the security aparatus of this country. DHS, Justice, CIA...

 

[DesertPirate]

The funniest part of the 10 Enemies list?

It's could be the outine the founding fathers based the Declaration of Independance, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights on. Which of those 10 are not protected by the Constitution or the Bill of Rights?

If people would think before spewing tripe...

Huck, you may now feel foolish.

Had to give Huck another chance to see this.