The everything about rape topic.

[kiss_of_sin]

If two people are both very drunk or otherwise impaired and sex occurs which probably wouldn't have occurred if they were not in that state, are they both rapists? are they both responsible?

actually, my brother went through this situation in college not a few years back. and they were both drunk, she lead him to her room, and they fucked. and guess who got blamed for rape... yup, my brother...

both their faults.

 

[ecstaticsub]

actually, my brother went through this situation in college not a few years back. and they were both drunk, she lead him to her room, and they fucked. and guess who got blamed for rape... yup, my brother...

both their faults.

As the mother of a teen son I warn him about that possibility. I agree it is the fault of both.

 

[kiss_of_sin]

As the mother of a teen son I warn him about that possibility. I agree it is the fault of both.

it is pretty pathetic for such an advanced and open-minded society, we still as a people cling to traditionalistic views.

 

[graceanne]

actually, my brother went through this situation in college not a few years back. and they were both drunk, she lead him to her room, and they fucked. and guess who got blamed for rape... yup, my brother...

both their faults.

I agree. If one person is sober and the other is drunk then it's rape, but if both people are drunk then it's a mistake, and you should learn not to drink like that.

 

[Betticus]

yah.... and i always sorta like it when i know a guy gets it...and gets what i am good for. even if im not happy about it in the moment.

I don't know you and yet, I already like you for some reason.

 

[Betticus]

If two people are both very drunk or otherwise impaired and sex occurs which probably wouldn't have occurred if they were not in that state, are they both rapists? are they both responsible?

Oh this has happened more than once with girls who were very close friends.


The last time that happened, in the morning after when we were both coming out of it I said something like "I had no idea you were so fucking good in bed" then bit her ear.

She's a dominant girl and we kind of raped each other back and forth, it was incredibly hot but didn't happen again. It got very rough and she liked to choke me.

 

[rumara]

hmm.

i don't believe that a prepubescent child has the mental and emotional faculties in place to consent to sex. if one cannot or does not consent, then as far as i'm concerned it's rape. rape being a term i define as nonconsensual sex.

that being said, i personally find forced sex can be very,very hot with the right person and i have fantasized about "being forced" since i was very young.

despite unpleasant firsthand experience.

so go figure..

 

[Betticus]

That's a good point. Depends on who the person is that's raping you at least in part.

Example: If the blonde cheerleader girl from Heroes happens for some unfathomable reason to be raping me I'm pretty sure that my token protests would be lies.... but if it is a gang of thugs in prison violently raping my pretty, tender white ass then I might be a bit upset about the whole thing and would be out for vengeance.

 

[rumara]

ahhhhh, your lips say no but your eyes are saying yes, yes!

in fact, i think i contradicted myself. i said that forced sex with the right person can be very hot. if i'm involved in a scenario like that, then it's entirely possible that i'm protesting verbally even as i am cumming. but..

my assumption is that my consent was given beforehand.

but i see your point about the cheerleader..

 

[nh23]

That's a good point. Depends on who the person is that's raping you at least in part.

Example: If the blonde cheerleader girl from Heroes happens for some unfathomable reason to be raping me I'm pretty sure that my token protests would be lies.... but if it is a gang of thugs in prison violently raping my pretty, tender white ass then I might be a bit upset about the whole thing and would be out for vengeance.

The first would be consensual. Or consensual non consent. The second rape. It's easy.

 

[ecstaticsub]

I find forced sex hot when it is with a person with whom I already have a sexual relationship. Otherwise, it's not hot.


Thinking more about this, I can think of one case where it would be hot. If my PYL tied me up and wanted to allow strangers to rape me. I would be able to enjoy the violence without the fear, and that is what would make it hot.

 

[kiss_of_sin]

i agree Betticus....

it is definitely the person. forced sex is mmmmmm delish! but if its someone i abhor... probably not so cool.

i believe that if someone is gonna get that drunk/plastered. its partially their fault for anything that happens. regardless.

 

[ecstaticsub]

i agree Betticus....

it is definitely the person. forced sex is mmmmmm delish! but if its someone i abhor... probably not so cool.

i believe that if someone is gonna get that drunk/plastered. its partially their fault for anything that happens. regardless.

Do you believe this even if the rapist is totally sober?

 

[kiss_of_sin]

yes and no.

Yes, becuase honestly, someone shouldnt get drunk when around questionable ppl. thats their mistake. their stupidity, and their partial fault.

and yet a huge resounding no, because if the rapist is sober, he/she should have enough heart not to. but then again he/she could just be a serial rapist.

in the end its still both their faults. to some degree.

 

[HisSexyPet]

Stemmed from an offshoot from another topic. Without being too judgemental of each other perhaps we can discuss rape, examine the different points of view.. rapist vs. raped. The different types from purely fantasy and hot all the way to destroyed lives.. basically an open topic that hits it from every angle.


Does incestual molestation count if you were too young to consent but didn't object?

Also, I'm just guessing that a good percentage of us here have been through at least a date rape in our pasts or even have crossed the line with someone as the aggressor or both.

I have been thinking about this very thing as I had a very loving grandfather. I was very young, but it was done lovingly with great tenderness and I loved it. I would climb in his lap so you would make me feel good. I don't consider this rape at all.

 

[ecstaticsub]

yes and no.

Yes, becuase honestly, someone shouldnt get drunk when around questionable ppl. thats their mistake. their stupidity, and their partial fault.

and yet a huge resounding no, because if the rapist is sober, he/she should have enough heart not to. but then again he/she could just be a serial rapist.

in the end its still both their faults. to some degree.

Isn't that sort of like saying that if a woman wears a super short skirt and revealing clothes is just asking to be raped?

I agree that it is not a smart thing to do but it shouldn't be a excuse for a person to rape.

 

[kiss_of_sin]

it doesnt make it any less wrong. children arent of the right mind to consent or to say no. regardless of intent, feeling good, or any other excuse.

 

[00Syd]

Its not rape if you yell "SURPRISE!"





/kidding

 

[kiss_of_sin]

Isn't that sort of like saying that if a woman wears a super short skirt and revealing clothes is just asking to be raped?

I agree that it is not a smart thing to do but it shouldn't be a excuse for a person to rape.

not really, i believe a woman can wear whatever she chooses its her right to do so.

but when a person becomes so drunk they cant consent or give a no... then yes, its their stupidity. and now they have to face the consequences of their actions. im not sayings its completely their fault, heck, its not even the majority their fault. just some.

my theory (for thats all it is...): if someone gets so plastered they cant control themselves and they get raped, its wrong. its rape, however, they cant FULLY blame the rapist. next time dont get so plastered as to have no control over your own body.

 

[nh23]

So the sober man who rapes a drunk woman, was just going with nature? It's ok because that's how he's made?

I think that's an insult to every decent man I've ever met.

 

[BiBunny]

So the sober man who rapes a drunk woman, was just going with nature? It's ok because that's how he's made?

I think that's an insult to every decent man I've ever met.

Yeah well it wasn't normal or natural to bathe either.

These are just a few reasons that I you out loud. I LOL-ed.

 

[Netzach]

The "normal and natural" folks are not paying much attention to the mammalian world.

Ducks reproduce with what we would consider gang rape. The majority of mammals, even if they go at it really rough, go through almost painfully elaborate mutual selections.

 

[kiss_of_sin]

So the sober man who rapes a drunk woman, was just going with nature? It's ok because that's how he's made?

I think that's an insult to every decent man I've ever met.

ummmm.... i dont know what you are talking about but if its against me then you didnt read my theory right.

its rape and its wrong. period. no ifs ands or buts. however, no one can tell me that male or female that gets completely plastered, at some party that they dont know, and has NO control over their body bears no blame.

they shouldnt have drunk that last shot or drink.

in a perfect world we should be able to do what we want. however thats not where we live. we live in reality. where ppl hurt others. so we need to take whatever precautions we can.

 

[ecstaticsub]

not really, i believe a woman can wear whatever she chooses its her right to do so.

but when a person becomes so drunk they cant consent or give a no... then yes, its their stupidity. and now they have to face the consequences of their actions. im not sayings its completely their fault, heck, its not even the majority their fault. just some.

my theory (for thats all it is...): if someone gets so plastered they cant control themselves and they get raped, its wrong. its rape, however, they cant FULLY blame the rapist. next time dont get so plastered as to have no control over your own body.

I disagree totally with you on this.

(this is an interesting subject...I'll be back later to discuss it further)

 

[kiss_of_sin]

we have a quote on my ship.. never used seriously just in jest...

"it aint rape if its willin' "

random humor.. but its funny.