The everything about rape topic.

[Betticus]

Stemmed from an offshoot from another topic. Without being too judgemental of each other perhaps we can discuss rape, examine the different points of view.. rapist vs. raped. The different types from purely fantasy and hot all the way to destroyed lives.. basically an open topic that hits it from every angle.


Does incestual molestation count if you were too young to consent but didn't object?

Also, I'm just guessing that a good percentage of us here have been through at least a date rape in our pasts or even have crossed the line with someone as the aggressor or both.

 

[MisterSir]

Yes. I'm not so sure it'd apply if the "molestee" instigated it or expressed desire for it happen, because then you can argue that's not even molestion, but simply not objecting to it isn't enough.

 

[Betticus]

Yes. I'm not so sure it'd apply if the "molestee" instigated it or expressed desire for it happen, because then you can argue that's not even molestion, but simply not objecting to it isn't enough.

It was a slightly forced via threat situation but deep down I knew I could have stopped it. Some part of me was a deviant and learning something forbidden and another part of me didn't care really. Thinking back on it I don't recall losing a whole lot of sleep over the whole thing.

After that, when I was 16 I was in a car accident and got hurt a bit. I was on muscle relaxers and really out of it and woke up to one of my sisters friends fucking me. I would have passed that off as a weird dream except that my sister told me a few months later that her friend was pregnant and it might be mine. I really barely have any recollection of that happening.

Then when I was around 20 I had been drinking with a buddy of mine and I was passing out on the sofa when his mom came down and had sex with me. I kept saying no but was too inebriated to do much about it. She kept sucking my cock and eventually I just got really angry and let that inner pent up beast come out and I ended up raping her pretty hard.. or so I thought but it turned out that she wanted to leave her family to be with me which was just too much so I moved to Texas. That whole thing was really weird.

 

[ecstaticsub]

Is it rape if someone continues to put themselves into the same position for "rape" to happen?

I thought of this both from the story that spurred this conversation and some of my own past history.

If a person finds wakes up to find themselves tied down and being forced to have sex (or wakes up from a drunken stupor) but doesn't say no, doesn't press charges, doesn't run away when untied...and instead knowingly goes out with that person again and once again waking up in a similar position..

Is that rape? Was the first time rape?

 

[CuteBrat]

Thats an interesting question, about the knowing going out again thing. i was basically date raped when i was 15...screaming...fighting...finally only consenting so he would wear a condom. but...i didnt really think of it as rape after...and we kept hooking up for a few months. i thought of him as a Dominant man who took what he wanted, which i thought was really hot.

 

[MisterSir]

Is it rape if someone continues to put themselves into the same position for "rape" to happen?

I thought of this both from the story that spurred this conversation and some of my own past history.

If a person finds wakes up to find themselves tied down and being forced to have sex (or wakes up from a drunken stupor) but doesn't say no, doesn't press charges, doesn't run away when untied...and instead knowingly goes out with that person again and once again waking up in a similar position..

Is that rape? Was the first time rape?

It's rape the first time - no consent was given, no consent was even asked, fairly textbook - but not thereafter. It is still rape if the victim decides not to follow up on it.

 

[ecstaticsub]

Thats an interesting question, about the knowing going out again thing. i was basically date raped when i was 15...screaming...fighting...finally only consenting so he would wear a condom. but...i didnt really think of it as rape after...and we kept hooking up for a few months. i thought of him as a Dominant man who took what he wanted, which i thought was really hot.

Thanks for your response. I was held down and forced to have both vaginal and anal sex while in college, but I didn't consider it rape until later. I considered it my fault because Iwas too drunk, I had gone willingly to his hotel room and I even put in a Today sponge just in case. But I honestly hated this man, even before I went willingly to his hotel room. I hated him even more the morning after. I woke up naked on his hotel balcony and I remember being so pissed because he wouldn't even help me find my clothes and his roommates were in the room just staring at me. But I still considered the whole situation my own fault. I never allowed myself to be drunk in his presence again though.

 

[ecstaticsub]

It's rape the first time - no consent was given, no consent was even asked, fairly textbook - but not thereafter. It is still rape if the victim decides not to follow up on it.

Even if the person doesn't say no?

 

[MisterSir]

Yah. The way I see it, you have to GIVE consent - not not consenting ain't good enough

 

[ecstaticsub]

Yah. The way I see it, you have to GIVE consent - not not consenting ain't good enough

Hmmm..interesting. Thanks for answering.

There was more than a few cases in college that I had sex out of fear rather then actually consenting to it.

 

[CuteBrat]

Thanks for your response. I was held down and forced to have both vaginal and anal sex while in college, but I didn't consider it rape until later. I considered it my fault because Iwas too drunk, I had gone willingly to his hotel room and I even put in a Today sponge just in case. But I honestly hated this man, even before I went willingly to his hotel room. I hated him even more the morning after. I woke up naked on his hotel balcony and I remember being so pissed because he wouldn't even help me find my clothes and his roommates were in the room just staring at me. But I still considered the whole situation my own fault. I never allowed myself to be drunk in his presence again though.

see, i guess where i get all screwed up is...while i would have been totally pissed about that....i also would have found it entirely hot...and wanted to do it again

 

[rosco rathbone]

I feel bad that the topic of rape gives me tight pants

 

[MisterSir]

I feel bad that the topic of rape gives me tight pants

Aye. It would appear you are not alone in that.

 

[CuteBrat]

I feel bad that the topic of rape gives me tight pants

why would You feel bad about that? i think its natural. i think the whole concept of laws and penalties for rape are societys attempt to put artificial controls on a natural occurance. i mean...i guess it has to happen to have society function...but its not natural or normal to have those restrictions

 

[rosco rathbone]

why would You feel bad about that? i think its natural. i think the whole concept of laws and penalties for rape are societys attempt to put artificial controls on a natural occurance. i mean...i guess it has to happen to have society function...but its not natural or normal to have those restrictions

Funny when you think about it.

Nobody thinks it's weird to say "I wanted to kill my boss".

But if you say "I wanted to rape my boss" everyone looks at you askance.

At least here in bdsm we can admit that our primal urges for murder and forcible nonconsensual sex are closer to the surface than we might like to admit.

 

[CuteBrat]

Funny when you think about it.

Nobody thinks it's weird to say "I wanted to kill my boss".

But if you say "I wanted to rape my boss" everyone looks at you askance.

At least here in bdsm we can admit that our primal urges for murder and forcible nonconsensual sex are closer to the surface than we might like to admit.

yah.... and i always sorta like it when i know a guy gets it...and gets what i am good for. even if im not happy about it in the moment.

 

[kiss_of_sin]

considering my own past, and the experiences i have experienced, rape is very common.

if a man or woman puts themselves in a situation where rape is possible, its still rape but not 100% of the rapists fault.

what i have a question about is if a person was a child, and was molested by several people, and was taught to like it. what if they didnt even know it was wrong until later on in life? could that person say they were molested, or couldnt they becuase they liked it or taught to like it?

i like forced sex, but straight up rape, where male or female has no say no power nothing, and genuinely did not want it... i get pretty pissed about that subject. some serious issues could come from experiences like that.

 

[CuteBrat]

considering my own past, and the experiences i have experienced, rape is very common.

if a man or woman puts themselves in a situation where rape is possible, its still rape but not 100% of the rapists fault.

what i have a question about is if a person was a child, and was molested by several people, and was taught to like it. what if they didnt even know it was wrong until later on in life? could that person say they were molested, or couldnt they becuase they liked it or taught to like it?

i like forced sex, but straight up rape, where male or female has no say no power nothing, and genuinely did not want it... i get pretty pissed about that subject. some serious issues could come from experiences like that.

but back in the stone age, did women have power or the right to say no? or are those artificial constructs we've added in, blocking what is natural? just askin'....

 

[nh23]

but back in the stone age, did women have power or the right to say no? or are those artificial constructs we've added in, blocking what is natural? just askin'....

Yeah well it wasn't normal or natural to bathe either.

 

[ecstaticsub]

see, i guess where i get all screwed up is...while i would have been totally pissed about that....i also would have found it entirely hot...and wanted to do it again

I didn't find it hot at all. Mostly because of the person involved. He was arrogant in a repulsive way that for years afterwards when I would have to be in the same room with him for professional reasons I would get to my stomach. I do know that his view of the night was totally different then mine (except the part that we both agree it was my fault that it wasn't stopped)

 

[ecstaticsub]

If two people are both very drunk or otherwise impaired and sex occurs which probably wouldn't have occurred if they were not in that state, are they both rapists? are they both responsible?

 

[rosco rathbone]

but back in the stone age, did women have power or the right to say no? or are those artificial constructs we've added in, blocking what is natural? just askin'....

If you are talking about "marriage rape", that is very recent.

If you are talking about rape rape...in the Stone Age her brothers would have hunted you down.

 

[rosco rathbone]

If two people are both very drunk or otherwise impaired and sex occurs which probably wouldn't have occurred if they were not in that state, are they both rapists? are they both responsible?

How many rapists can rape on the head of a pin?

 

[kiss_of_sin]

you know even in nature most females dont have a choice... then comes the glorious independant female tiger....ROAR! *go tigers* lol... *go baths!!!!*

 

[rosco rathbone]

you know even in nature most females dont have a choice... then comes the glorious independant female tiger....ROAR! *go tigers* lol... *go baths!!!!*

I like the way tigers fuck.

The male holds the female down and keeps her from moving by biting the scruff of her neck. Then he sexes her from behind.

Tigers taught me alot.