A House Divided

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090614/D98QA80G0.html

THE PROBLEM IS, SOONER OR LATER ALL THESE DIVERSE GROUPS ARE GONNA WANT IT THEIR WAY, SO THERE WILL BE VIOLENT STRIFE AND A POLITICAL DIVISION. WE DID THIS BACK IN 1861. IT WASNT GOOD.

ABE SAID IT WOULD BE ALL OF ONE THING OR ALL OF ANOTHER, BUT CEASE TO BE DIVIDED. HE WAS RIGHT.

 

[amicus]

Following the Civil War, which had been brewing since before the Constitution was created, the legitimate function of government has been to protect the life, liberty and property of each individual, not a group or an interest group.

Unfortunately with government assisting some with 'affirmative action', and others by 'gender', government itself has created conflicting groups that seek subsidies and perquisites of which there are not enough to go around.

A legitimate government should go back to protecting individuals and letting groups compete as they may.

Amicus

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

We're cutting our throats treating ethnic groups as special interests.

 

[DesertPirate]

Individuals are mostly decent folks.
Groups are a collective of assholes.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

DP

Very true. But birds of a feather soon want their own roost. And that's where we're headed.

 

[DesertPirate]

DP

Very true. But birds of a feather soon want their own roost. And that's where we're headed.

It's the influence of the left. Look back, did this country publish government documents in anything but English to help the Germans, Poles, Irish, or Italians? No, but we now have to cater to the newcomers. Where is the incentive to become American and learn English? This fosters small groups in conflict intead of a large group working to improve things.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

It's the influence of the left. Look back, did this country publish government documents in anything but English to help the Germans, Poles, Irish, or Italians? No, but we now have to cater to the newcomers. Where is the incentive to become American and learn English? This fosters small groups in conflict intead of a large group working to improve things.

DP

Like I said, we treat ethnic groups like special interests with deep pockets filled with gold.

 

[DesertPirate]

DP

Like I said, we treat ethnic groups like special interests with deep pockets filled with gold.

Funny thing is, they can be a great resource. The talent gets wasted when they fall into welfare.

 

[DesertPirate]

Couldn't resist putting this one up.

I voted Democrat because I love the fact that I can now marry whatever I want. And...I've decided to marry my horse. I voted Democrat because I believe oil companies' profits of 4% on a gallon of gas are obscene but the government taxing the same gallon of gas at 15% isn't. I voted Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of spending the money I earn than I would. I voted Democrat because freedom of speech is fine as long as nobody is offended by it. I voted Democrat because when we pull out of Iraq I trust that the bad guys will stop what they're doing because they now think we're good people. I voted Democrat because I'm way too irresponsible to own a gun, and I know that my local police are all I need to protect me from murderers and thieves. I voted Democrat because I believe that people who can't tell us if it will rain on Friday can tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years if I don't start driving a Prius. I voted Democrat because I'm not concerned about the slaughter of millions of babies so long as we keep all death row inmates alive. I voted Democrat because I believe that business should not be allowed to make profits for themselves. They need to break even and give the rest away to the government for redistribution as it sees fit. I voted Democrat because I believe liberal judges need to rewrite The Constitution every few days to suit some fringe kooks who would never get their agendas past the voters. I voted Democrat because my head is so firmly planted up where the sun doesn't shine that it is unlikely that I'll ever have another point of view.. "A Liberal is a person who will give away everything they don't own." "A Liberal is also a person who will give another person the shirt off your back."

 

[Pure]

Following the Civil War, which had been brewing since before the Constitution was created, the legitimate function of government has been to protect the life, liberty and property of each individual, not a group or an interest group.

exactly. so long as the individual was white and male and owned property, he was golden (protected).

 

[Pure]

hey, neat!

a meeting place for the booboisie!

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

PURE

You need some help with your American History.

 

[Handley_Page]

I think different cultures in a single country will be separate for as long as a would-be politician considers the votes of a single "block".

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

HP

You need someone like Tito to hold diverse groups together, otherwise they soon split and you have civil wars. I cant name one nation that has permanently endured diverse ethnic groups.

 

[doormouse]

Following the Civil War, which had been brewing since before the Constitution was created, the legitimate function of government has been to protect the life, liberty and property of each individual, not a group or an interest group.

Unfortunately with government assisting some with 'affirmative action', and others by 'gender', government itself has created conflicting groups that seek subsidies and perquisites of which there are not enough to go around.

A legitimate government should go back to protecting individuals and letting groups compete as they may.

Amicus

OMG I LOVE YOUR AV she is my fave character!!

*going back to read thread...

 

[DesertPirate]

HP

You need someone like Tito to hold diverse groups together, otherwise they soon split and you have civil wars. I cant name one nation that has permanently endured diverse ethnic groups.

Gee, bet that was the reason behind the whole melting pot idea. Blend the best from everywhere and the whole becomes greater than the sum of the parts.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

DP

Let's look at it from a different perspective.

Back in 1776 Americans were as diverse as they are now. maybe more so. The National Government we created existed as an equal with the State Governments, except where they were distinguished in the Constitution. The States werent subordinant to the Federal Government. So there was plenty of wiggle room for diversity.

And then the Civil War changed the relationship. The political majority suddenly had the power to impose its will on everyone, everywhere.

What we're trying to do now is change the arrangement so that political minorities can rule the majority rather than themselves.

 

[TE999]

In todays' more enlightened world, diversity is valued over competence, causes overrule common sense, immediacy trumps deliberation and ignorance is strength.

 

[xssve]

In todays' more enlightened world, diversity is valued over competence, causes overrule common sense, immediacy trumps deliberation and ignorance is strength.

True, though on a brighter note, the republicans are out now thanks to epic fail, so things ought to be looking up shortly.

 

[JamesSD]

True, though on a brighter note, the republicans are out now thanks to epic fail, so things ought to be looking up shortly.

Given the title, I expected this to be a thread about the Republican party.

Back in 1776 Americans were as diverse as they are now. maybe more so.

I'm not sure I agree with this. Latinos didn't really live in the original colonies. An asian or arab would have been a shocking sight. Heck, the majority of citizens in the "British Colonies" were, well, british (With some Dutch and French sprinkled in lightly). The German, Italian, Irish and Scandinavian immigration waves came significantly later. Recall there was a time that those ethnic groups were not considered "white".

 

[xssve]

The myth of White supremacy was invented because Black slaves and White indentured servants, equally oppressed, were finding common cause against the numerically inferior Colonial aristocracy. Documented historical fact.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The myth of White supremacy was invented because Black slaves and White indentured servants, equally oppressed, were finding common cause against the numerically inferior Colonial aristocracy. Documented historical fact.

Please explain why there were no slave revolts during the Civil War, and how the KKK was able to intimidate blacks after the war.

 

[xssve]

Pax Romana.

 

[xssve]

In fact there were many fugitive slave riots before the war (just as there were many insurrections of combined slaves and indentured servants before they were economically segregated - virtually the entire population of Ireland had been slaughtered or sold into slavery during Cromwell's Irish pogroms), not surprisingly, these typically occurred in areas of the country where anti-slavery sentiment was the highest.

http://books.google.com/books?id=22...=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#PPA74,M1

Go figure.

 

[xssve]

It's often a very fine line between right and wrong, between justice and mere law.

The fruits of ethnophobia: an informal calculation of the number of illegal immigrants imprisoned in the Phoenix suburbs at any given moment is currently about 54,000, given a one month turnover rate.

In short, we have a classic industry professionalization, value-chain integration, and market consolidation.

According to U.S. and Mexican police, this is partly an unintended consequence of a border crackdown.

Making crossings more difficult drove up their cost, attracting brutal Mexican crime rings that forced the small operators out of business.
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We’ve already seen that the smuggling value chain has become more complex. Complexity requires management. It also requires organization, and the development of systems – electronic or people – to coordinate activity. Scaling up also encourages capital investment (e.g. in vacant houses) and specialization (e.g. in front-men renters):

AHI: Dead-drop housing: Part 1, the value chain.


Now, what are the externalities here? If you're house is a drug on the market and you're trying to rent it out to reduce your outstanding liabilities, how closely do you inquire about potential renters? Do you check up on property you've rented out? Would you want to know?

Second, as the obstacles to immigration legal, or illegal were raised, the laws of supply and demand led to market consolidation and specialization: operations have shifted from the independent "Coyotes", to organized gangs - how long before they can afford to start buying State reps, or Congressmen?

Whats the opportunity cost between futily attempting to stick you're finger in the dyke rather increase the number of taxpaying citizens (taxbase)?

Where you suppose those excess, untaxed profits go?

Take a wild guess, o' culture of life.