Christian Fundamentalist Terrorism

[Huckleman2000]

This is just abortion-related, and doesn't include cases such as the Tennessee Unitarian Church shootings.
From the Associated Press:

A look at recent cases of abortion-related violence:

_ May 31, 2009: Prominent late-term abortion provider George Tiller is shot and killed in a Wichita church where he was serving as an usher. The gunman fled but a city official said a suspect is in custody.

_ April 25, 2007: Authorities say Paul Ross Evans placed a homemade bomb in the parking lot of the Austin Women's Health Center in Texas. A bomb squad disposes of the device, which contained two pounds of nails. There are no injuries.

_ Oct. 23, 1998: Dr. Barnett Slepian is fatally shot in his home in a suburb of Buffalo, N.Y. Militant abortion opponent James Kopp is convicted of the murder in 2003 and sentenced to 25 years to life in prison.

_ Jan. 29, 1998: A bomb explodes just outside a Birmingham, Ala., abortion clinic, killing a police officer and wounding several others. Eric Rudolph later pleads guilty to that incident and the deadly bombing at the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta. He justifies the Alabama bombing in an essay from prison, writing that Jesus would condone "militant action in defense of the innocent."

_ Jan. 16, 1997: Two bomb blasts an hour apart rock an Atlanta building containing an abortion clinic. Seven people are injured. Rudolph is charged by federal authorities in October 1998.

_ Dec. 30, 1994: John Salvi opens fire with a rifle inside two Boston-area abortion clinics, killing two receptionists and wounding five others. Sentenced to life without parole, he kills himself in prison in 1996.

_ Nov. 8, 1994: Dr. Garson Romalis, who performs abortions in Vancouver, Canada, is shot in the leg while eating breakfast at home.

_ July 29, 1994: Dr. John Bayard Britton and his volunteer escort, James H. Barrett, are slain outside a Pensacola, Fla., abortion clinic. Barrett's wife, June, is wounded in the attack. Paul J. Hill, 40, a former minister and anti-abortion activist, is later convicted of murder and sentenced to death.

_ Aug. 19, 1993: Dr. George Tiller is shot in the arms as he drives out of parking lot at his Wichita, Kan., clinic. Rachelle "Shelley" Shannon is later convicted and sentenced to 11 years in prison.

_ March 10, 1993: Dr. David Gunn is shot to death outside Pensacola, Fla., clinic, becoming the first U.S. doctor killed during an anti-abortion demonstration. Michael Griffin is convicted and serving a life sentence.

 

[THROBBS]

No matter what they may believe, they are not followers of Christ.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

This is just abortion-related, and doesn't include cases such as the Tennessee Unitarian Church shootings.
From the Associated Press:

A look at recent cases of abortion-related violence:

_ May 31, 2009: Prominent late-term abortion provider George Tiller is shot and killed in a Wichita church where he was serving as an usher. The gunman fled but a city official said a suspect is in custody.

_ April 25, 2007: Authorities say Paul Ross Evans placed a homemade bomb in the parking lot of the Austin Women's Health Center in Texas. A bomb squad disposes of the device, which contained two pounds of nails. There are no injuries.

_ Oct. 23, 1998: Dr. Barnett Slepian is fatally shot in his home in a suburb of Buffalo, N.Y. Militant abortion opponent James Kopp is convicted of the murder in 2003 and sentenced to 25 years to life in prison.

_ Jan. 29, 1998: A bomb explodes just outside a Birmingham, Ala., abortion clinic, killing a police officer and wounding several others. Eric Rudolph later pleads guilty to that incident and the deadly bombing at the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta. He justifies the Alabama bombing in an essay from prison, writing that Jesus would condone "militant action in defense of the innocent."

_ Jan. 16, 1997: Two bomb blasts an hour apart rock an Atlanta building containing an abortion clinic. Seven people are injured. Rudolph is charged by federal authorities in October 1998.

_ Dec. 30, 1994: John Salvi opens fire with a rifle inside two Boston-area abortion clinics, killing two receptionists and wounding five others. Sentenced to life without parole, he kills himself in prison in 1996.

_ Nov. 8, 1994: Dr. Garson Romalis, who performs abortions in Vancouver, Canada, is shot in the leg while eating breakfast at home.

_ July 29, 1994: Dr. John Bayard Britton and his volunteer escort, James H. Barrett, are slain outside a Pensacola, Fla., abortion clinic. Barrett's wife, June, is wounded in the attack. Paul J. Hill, 40, a former minister and anti-abortion activist, is later convicted of murder and sentenced to death.

_ Aug. 19, 1993: Dr. George Tiller is shot in the arms as he drives out of parking lot at his Wichita, Kan., clinic. Rachelle "Shelley" Shannon is later convicted and sentenced to 11 years in prison.

_ March 10, 1993: Dr. David Gunn is shot to death outside Pensacola, Fla., clinic, becoming the first U.S. doctor killed during an anti-abortion demonstration. Michael Griffin is convicted and serving a life sentence.

You forgot the strong archeological evidence that the early Christians really were responsible for the burning of Rome, just like Nero claimed. Not that he would have know, of course. That nutcase was out of the city when the fires broke out.

Unfortunately, there seems to be a strong strain of jihadiism in any religion. All it takes is a true believer with access to home make explosives, incendiaries, a gun, etc.

 

[THROBBS]

You forgot the strong archeological evidence that the early Christians really were responsible for the burning of Rome, just like Nero claimed. Not that he would have know, of course. That nutcase was out of the city when the fires broke out.

Unfortunately, there seems to be a strong strain of jihadiism in any religion. All it takes is a true believer with access to home make explosives, incendiaries, a gun, etc.

All it takes is a misguided nincompoop...

 

[Stella_Omega]

No matter what they may believe, they are not followers of Christ.

The true followers had better get a movement going to reclaim their religion, then.

 

[THROBBS]

The true followers had better get a movement going to reclaim their religion, then.

Yes, we had, better.

The "Christian Fundamentalists" have missed the fundamentals and been concentrating on the mental.

(another case of mislabelling!)

 

[voluptuary_manque]

The true followers had better get a movement going to reclaim their religion, then.

IMO, the country is getting thoroughly tired of the histrionics of the heretics. Just give us a few more elections and we should be able to chase them back under the rocks they crawled out from.

 

[THROBBS]

IMO, the country is getting thoroughly tired of the histrionics of the heretics. Just give us a few more elections and we should be able to chase them back under the rocks they crawled out from.

under the rocks? Let's just stone them with those rocks!!

 

[impressive]

No matter what they may believe, they are not followers of Christ.

Yes. I'm quite certain that Jesus wouldn't do THAT.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Yes, we had, better.

The "Christian Fundamentalists" have missed the fundamentals and been concentrating on the mental.

(another case of mislabelling!)

I would totally support that movement, I promise!

 

[THROBBS]

I would totally support that movement, I promise!

It's in the works. As with most movements, many still don't quite get it.

And it really doesn't make as good headlines as what the stupid people do!


Love you enemies as your self! HAHAHAHahhahahhahaahahah
That shit is not nearly as exciting as: Dr. killed in his own church. or 16 insurgents (and a handfull of civilians) killed by a groovy drone! OR......

 

[voluptuary_manque]

It's in the works. As with most movements, many still don't quite get it.

And it really doesn't make as good headlines as what the stupid people do!


Love you enemies as your self! HAHAHAHahhahahhahaahahah
That shit is not nearly as exciting as: Dr. killed in his own church. or 16 insurgents (and a handfull of civilians) killed by a groovy drone! OR......

That's the other problem. Journalists are just like sixth graders, fascinated by explosions and bloodshed. If there's no serious conflict, they won't report it.

 

[Dragonlipz]

If it bleeds, it leads......

 

[THROBBS]

That's the other problem. Journalists are just like sixth graders, fascinated by explosions and bloodshed. If there's no serious conflict, they won't report it.

Not sure it is all the fault of the journalists. The readers/VIEWERS (customers) prefer the "train wreck".

I know I get bored with the serious too.





(in fact, would like to be drawing erotic pics right now... typical)

 

[DesertPirate]

No matter what they may believe, they are not followers of Christ.

Thanks, thought I might be alone in that thought. They sure don't belong to any "True" Christian Religion if they think this is acceptable.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Though it be madness, there is method to it!

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Thanks, thought I might be alone in that thought. They sure don't belong to any "True" Christian Religion if they think this is acceptable.

Some people who claim to be Christian never managed to get beyond "Thou Shalt Not . . . " Whereas once you get to the New Testament . . . well, Doonesbury says it well.

 

[DesertPirate]

That's the other problem. Journalists are just like sixth graders, fascinated by explosions and bloodshed. If there's no serious conflict, they won't report it.

In our voyueristic society, bad news sells and good news is boring.

Honestly, they would rather report on something a hollywood twit has to say than any "real" news.
Does anything a celebrity does or says have any actual impact on your life? It doesn't affect me at all.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

In our voyueristic society, bad news sells and good news is boring.

Honestly, they would rather report on something a hollywood twit has to say than any "real" news.
Does anything a celebrity does or says have any actual impact on your life? It doesn't affect me at all.

It all depends on who else hears them. That's the problem with democracy. The vote of a doofus is the same as yours and mine.

 

[sr71plt]

The media reports what sells. It's sort of like all that criticism you guys dump on the politicians you elect.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

The media reports what sells. It's sort of like all that criticism you guys dump on the politicians you elect.

If I believed that, there would be no reason to study marketing. What sells is what gets sold.

 

[sr71plt]

If I believed that, there would be no reason to study marketing. What sells is what gets sold.

As in supply and DEMAND.

 

[Stella_Omega]

"I'd hope they wouldn't try to broad-brush the entire pro-life movement as some sort of extremist movement because of what happened in Wichita," Mahoney said. "That's really important - don't use this personal loss for a political gain."Because only the right wing is allowed to do that.

And also, because it's only a personal loss-- nothing to do with anti-choice.

 

[Huckleman2000]

"I'd hope they wouldn't try to broad-brush the entire pro-life movement as some sort of extremist movement because of what happened in Wichita," Mahoney said. "That's really important - don't use this personal loss for a political gain."Because only the right wing is allowed to do that.

And also, because it's only a personal loss-- nothing to do with anti-choice.

Meanwhile, Randall Terry is calling the murdered doctor a "mass-murderer" and worries that the Obama administration "will use Tiller's killing to intimidate pro-lifers into surrendering our most effective rhetoric and actions."

Effective only for inciting terrorism.

 

[Huckleman2000]

Weren't Conservatives all worked up recently about that report that talked about terrorist attacks from Right-wing organizations? What are they saying now?

Suspect supported killing abortion providers, friends say
Judy L. Thomas | Kansas City Star

last updated: May 31, 2009 11:39:56 PM

The suspect in custody for the slaying of Wichita abortion doctor George Tiller was a member of an anti-government group in the 1990s and a staunch opponent of abortion.

Scott P. Roeder, 51, of Merriam, Kan., a Kansas City suburb, was arrested on Interstate 35 near Gardner in suburban Johnson County, Kan., about three hours after the shooting. Tiller was shot to death around 10 a.m. inside Reformation Lutheran Church in Wichita.

In the rear window of the 1993 blue Ford Taurus that he was driving was a red rose, a symbol often used by abortion opponents. On the rear of his car was a Christian fish symbol with the word "Jesus" inside.

Those who know Roeder said he believed that killing abortion doctors was an act of justifiable homicide.

"I know that he believed in justifiable homicide," said Regina Dinwiddie, a Kansas City anti-abortion activist who made headlines in 1995 when she was ordered by a federal judge to stop using a bullhorn within 500 feet of any abortion clinic. "I know he very strongly believed that abortion was murder and that you ought to defend the little ones, both born and unborn."

Dinwiddie said she met Roeder while picketing outside the Kansas City Planned Parenthood clinic in 1996. Roeder walked into the clinic and asked to see the doctor, Robert Crist, she said.

"Robert Crist came out and he stared at him for approximately 45 seconds," she said. "Then he (Roeder) said, 'I've seen you now.' Then he turned his back and walked away, and they were scared to death. On the way out, he gave me a great big hug and he said, 'I've seen you in the newspaper. I just love what you're doing.'^"

Roeder also was a subscriber to Prayer and Action News, a magazine that advocated the justifiable homicide position, said publisher Dave Leach, an anti-abortion activist from Des Moines, Iowa.

"I met him once, and he wrote to me a few times," Leach said. "I remember that he was sympathetic to our cause, but I don't remember any details."

Leach said he met Roeder in Topeka when he went there to visit Shelley Shannon, who was in prison for the 1993 shooting of Tiller.

"He told me about a lot of conspiracy stuff and showed me how to take the magnetic strip out of a five-dollar bill," Leach said. "He said it was to keep the government from tracking your money."

Roeder, who in the 1990s was a manufacturing assemblyman, also was involved in the "Freemen" movement.

"Freemen" was a term adopted by those who claimed sovereignty from government jurisdiction and operated under their own legal system, which they called common-law courts. Adherents declared themselves exempt from laws, regulations and taxes and often filed liens against judges, prosecutors and others, claiming that money was owed to them as compensation.

In April 1996, Roeder was arrested in Topeka after Shawnee County sheriff's deputies stopped him for not having a proper license plate. In his car, officers said they found ammunition, a blasting cap, a fuse cord, a one-pound can of gunpowder and two 9-volt batteries, with one connected to a switch that could have been used to trigger a bomb.

Jim Jimerson, supervisor of the Kansas City ATF's bomb and arson unit, worked on the case.

"There wasn't enough there to blow up a building,'' Jimerson said at the time, ``but it could make several powerful pipe bombs...There was definitely enough there to kill somebody.''

Roeder, who then lived in Silver Lake, Kan., was stopped because he had an improper license plate that read "Sovereign private property. Immunity declared by law. Non-commercial American.'' Authorities said the plate was typical of those used by Freemen.

Roeder was arraigned on one count of criminal use of explosives and misdemeanor charges of driving on a suspended license, failure to carry a Kansas registration and failure to carry liability insurance.

He was found guilty and sentenced in June 1996 to 24 months of probation with intensive supervision and ordered to dissociate himself from anti-government groups that advocated violence.

But in December 1997, his probation ended six months early when the Kansas Court of Appeals overturned his conviction. The court held that evidence against Roeder was seized by authorities during an illegal search of his car.

Morris Wilson, commander of the Kansas Unorganized Citizens Militia in the mid-1990s, said he knew Roeder fairly well.

"I'd say he's a good ol' boy except he was just so fanatic about abortion," said Wilson, who now lives in western Nebraska. "He was always talking about how awful abortion was. But there's a lot of people who think abortion is awful."

Suzanne James, former director of victim's services for Shawnee County, said she remembered Roeder.

"He was part of the One Supreme Court, a Freemen group based out of Shawnee County," James said. "He was fanatic about a lot of things. I went to one of his court appearances and thought, 'This guy is dangerous.' There were a lot of red flags that came up about him."

In recent years, someone using the name Scott Roeder has posted anti-Tiller comments on various Internet sites. One post, dated Sept. 3, 2007 and placed on a site sponsored by Operation Rescue called chargetiller.com, said that Tiller needed to be "stopped."

"It seems as though what is happening in Kansas could be compared to the 'lawlessness' which is spoken of in the Bible," it said. "Tiller is the concentration camp 'Mengele' of our day and needs to be stopped before he and those who protect him bring judgment upon our nation."

On May 19, 2007, a Scott Roeder commented on an invitation by Operation Rescue to join an event being held May 17-20 in Wichita, "the 'Nation's Abortion Capital,' to pray for an end to George R. Tiller's late-term abortion business and for all pre-born babies everywhere to once again come under the protection of law."

The post said: "Bless everyone for attending and praying in May to bring justice to Tiller and the closing of his death camp. Sometime soon, would it be feasible to organize as many people as possible to attend Tillers church (inside, not just outside) to have much more of a presence and possibly ask questions of the Pastor, Deacons, Elders and members while there? Doesn't seem like it would hurt anything but bring more attention to Tiller."