right wing indignation....

[richard_daily]

OBAMA!

PELOSI!

SOCIALISM!

NAZIS! (you do realize Nazis were RIGHT wing, right??)


RANDOM RAMBLING...


50 THREADS ABOUT IT!

Hey wait... are we just talking to ourselves?

((LIPSTICK))

 

[Ham Murabi]

National socialists were right wing?
Yeah, right.

 

[Luk]

OBAMA!

PELOSI!

SOCIALISM!

NAZIS! (you do realize Nazis were RIGHT wing, right??)


RANDOM RAMBLING...


50 THREADS ABOUT IT!

Hey wait... are we just talking to ourselves?

((LIPSTICK))

Maybe... If you're lucky... A right-wing troll will post a pick of your penis. Again.

 

[Shugahhhh]

OBAMA!

PELOSI!

SOCIALISM!

NAZIS! (you do realize Nazis were RIGHT wing, right??)


RANDOM RAMBLING...


50 THREADS ABOUT IT!

Hey wait... are we just talking to ourselves?

((LIPSTICK))

This is the up side of having most of them on ignore.

Maybe... If you're lucky... A right-wing troll will post a pick of your penis. Again.

This is the down side of having most of them on ignore.

 

[richard_daily]

National socialists were right wing?
Yeah, right.

Sorry if you lack a basic understanding about history and the political spectrum... but yes.

 

[Ham Murabi]

Sorry if you lack a basic understanding about history and the political spectrum... but yes.

I repeat, National SOCIALISTS were not right wing. Perhaps it's your basic lack of understanding of English.
Idiot.

 

[richard_daily]

I repeat, National SOCIALISTS were not right wing. Perhaps it's your basic lack of understanding of English.
Idiot.

And the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is clearly a DEMOCRACY, right?

Hitler was right wing, totalitarian, and oppressive of liberals, gays, and trade unions...

But yeah, you've got that whole Nationals SOCIALISM thing... Clearly that's what it was...

Read a book.

 

[Atropos1]

And the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is clearly a DEMOCRACY, right?

Hitler was right wing, totalitarian, and oppressive of liberals, gays, and trade unions...

But yeah, you've got that whole Nationals SOCIALISM thing... Clearly that's what it was...

Read a book.

How about more than one, so that we're well-rounded and stuff. One source of information is no way to go about things, yes?

 

[where]

How about more than one, so that we're well-rounded and stuff. One source of information is no way to go about things, yes?

Dick a day reads lots of books, it's Ham who doesn't get it.

 

[KingOrfeo]

From The Lion and the Unicorn: Socialism and the English Genius, by George Orwell (1941):

Socialism is usually defined as “common ownership of the means of production”. Crudely: the State, representing the whole nation, owns everything, and everyone is a State employee. This does NOT mean that people are stripped of private possessions such as clothes and furniture, but it DOES mean that all productive goods, such as land, mines, ships and machinery, are the property of the State. The State is the sole large-scale producer. It is not certain that Socialism is in all ways superior to capitalism, but it is certain that, unlike capitalism, it can solve the problems of production and consumption. At normal times a capitalist economy can never consume all that it produces, so that there is always a wasted surplus (wheat burned in furnaces, herrings dumped back into the sea etc etc) and always unemployment. In time of war, on the other hand, it has difficulty in producing all that it needs, because nothing is produced unless someone sees his way to making a profit out of it. In a Socialist economy these problems do not exist. The State simply calculates what goods will be needed and does its best to produce them. Production is only limited by the amount of labour and raw materials. Money, for internal purposes, ceases to be a mysterious all-powerful thing and becomes a sort of coupon or ration-ticket, issued in sufficient quantities to buy up such consumption goods as may be available at the moment.

However, it has become clear in the last few years that “common ownership of the means of production” is not in itself a sufficient definition of Socialism. One must also add the following: approximate equality of incomes (it need be no more than approximate), political democracy, and abolition of all hereditary privilege, especially in education. These are simply the necessary safeguards against the reappearance of a class system. Centralised ownership has very little meaning unless the mass of the people are living roughly upon an equal level, and have some kind of control over the government. “The State” may come to mean no more than a self-elected political party, and oligarchy and privilege can return, based on power rather than on money.

But what then is Fascism?

Fascism, at any rate the German version, is a form of capitalism that borrows from Socialism just such features as will make it efficient for war purposes. Internally, Germany has a good deal in common with a Socialist state. Ownership has never been abolished, there are still capitalists and workers, and—this is the important point, and the real reason why rich men all over the world tend to sympathise with Fascism—generally speaking the same people are capitalists and the same people workers as before the Nazi revolution. But at the same time the State, which is simply the Nazi Party, is in control of everything. It controls investment, raw materials, rates of interest, working hours, wages. The factory owner still owns his factory, but he is for practical purposes reduced to the status of a manager. Everyone is in effect a State employee, though the salaries vary very greatly. The mere EFFICIENCY of such a system, the elimination of waste and obstruction, is obvious. In seven years it has built up the most powerful war machine the world has ever seen.

But the idea underlying Fascism is irreconcilably different from that which underlies Socialism. Socialism aims, ultimately, at a world-state of free and equal human beings. It takes the equality of human rights for granted. Nazism assumes just the opposite. The driving force behind the Nazi movement is the belief in human INEQUALITY, the superiority of Germans to all other races, the right of Germany to rule the world. Outside the German Reich it does not recognise any obligations. Eminent Nazi professors have “proved” over and over again that only nordic man is fully human, have even mooted the idea that nonnordic peoples (such as ourselves) can interbreed with gorillas! Therefore, while a species of war-Socialism exists within the German state, its attitude towards conquered nations is frankly that of an exploiter. The function of the Czechs, Poles, French, etc is simply to produce such goods as Germany may need, and get in return just as little as will keep them from open rebellion. If we are conquered, our job will probably be to manufacture weapons for Hitler’s forthcoming wars with Russia and America. The Nazis aim, in effect, at setting up a kind of caste system, with four main castes corresponding rather closely to those of the Hindu religion. At the top comes the Nazi party, second come the mass of the German people, third come the conquered European populations. Fourth and last are to come the coloured peoples, the “semi-apes” as Hitler calls them, who are to be reduced quite openly to slavery.

However horrible this system may seem to us, IT WORKS. It works because it is a planned system geared to a definite purpose, worldconquest, and not allowing any private interest, either of capitalist or worker, to stand in its way. British capitalism does not work, because it is a competitive system in which private profit is and must be the main objective. It is a system in which all the forces are pulling in opposite directions and the interests of the individual are as often as not totally opposed to those of the State.

 

[richard_daily]

How about more than one, so that we're well-rounded and stuff. One source of information is no way to go about things, yes?

It's best to start them out with baby steps...

 

[Ham Murabi]

And the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is clearly a DEMOCRACY, right?

Hitler was right wing, totalitarian, and oppressive of liberals, gays, and trade unions...

But yeah, you've got that whole Nationals SOCIALISM thing... Clearly that's what it was...

Read a book.

North Korea is a democracy just like East Germany (German Democratic Republic) was.
Explain the free market principles of the Nazis. Tell me how eugenics, abortion and euthanasia fit in with a conservative right to life position. Tell me how nationalizing businesses is right wing.
Golly, all those things seem left wing to me.

 

[KingOrfeo]

How about more than one, so that we're well-rounded and stuff. One source of information is no way to go about things, yes?

Here's a good one.

 

[where]

North Korea is a democracy just like East Germany (German Democratic Republic) was.
Explain the free market principles of the Nazis. Tell me how eugenics, abortion and euthanasia fit in with a conservative right to life position. Tell me how nationalizing businesses is right wing.
Golly, all those things seem left wing to me.

eugenics and euthanasia are left wing ideas? does that mean the USA is a socialist haven then?

 

[unregistered]

 

[richard_daily]

North Korea is a democracy just like East Germany (German Democratic Republic) was.
Explain the free market principles of the Nazis. Tell me how eugenics, abortion and euthanasia fit in with a conservative right to life position. Tell me how nationalizing businesses is right wing.
Golly, all those things seem left wing to me.

Nazi Germany was all about the free market... Ford, Disney, IBM, Standard Oil, and W's Grand-daddy all knew it... and were involved in it.

In 1933 (their first year in power), after the Weimar liberation, the Nazi Party OUTLAWED abortion...

Forced sterilization? Sounds pretty right wing to me (I hear you wingnuts advocating it for the poor brown folk all the time).

Tell me who the Freikorps were? Tell me who the Sturm Abteilung were?

Tell me who Hitler's political influences were when he was in Austria after WW1?

Do a little research and then come back when you've got a little more knowledge on the subject... and then try to argue that Hitler or the Nazi's were left wing with a straight face.

 

[Recidiva]

"Socialist!" is just the new boogedy label.

It's like Liberal only...newer.

Fortunately it's nice that Americans have gotten a little smarter and wiser and started reading te labels - yes, even the ones like "Clean Air Act" and "No Children Left Behind" that result in more pollution and disenfranchised school districts.

 

[where]

Nazi Germany was all about the free market... Ford, Disney, IBM, Standard Oil, and W's Grand-daddy all knew it... and were involved in it.

In 1933 (their first year in power), after the Weimar liberation, the Nazi Party OUTLAWED abortion...

Forced sterilization? Sounds pretty right wing to me (I hear you wingnuts advocating it for the poor brown folk all the time).

Tell me who the Freikorps were? Tell me who the Sturm Abteilung were?

Tell me who Hitler's political influences were when he was in Austria after WW1?

Do a little research and then come back when you've got a little more knowledge on the subject... and then try to argue that Hitler or the Nazi's were left wing with a straight face.

The US was at the forefront of the eugenics movement and carried on forcibly sterilizing people with learning difficulties right up until the 1970s

 

[JohnnySavage]

"Socialist!" is just the new boogedy label.

It's like Liberal only...newer.

Fortunately it's nice that Americans have gotten a little smarter and wiser and started reading te labels - yes, even the ones like "Clean Air Act" and "No Children Left Behind" that result in more pollution and disenfranchised school districts.

Boogedy?

Did you make that up?

 

[richard_daily]

The US was at the forefront of the eugenics movement and carried on forcibly sterilizing people with learning difficulties right up until the 1970s

Damn those liberal socialist nazis!

 

[unregistered]

 

[Recidiva]

Boogedy?

Did you make that up?

No, sorry.

Part of scary stories and Toe Jam and Earl myth.

Derivative of "boogey man"

In fact if you Google, like I just did, you'll see the word in the context of "Oogedy-Boogedy" used as a Republican tactic. So...it's not just me.

 

[JohnnySavage]

No, sorry.

Part of scary stories and Toe Jam and Earl myth.

Derivative of "boogey man"

In fact if you Google, like I just did, you'll see the word in the context of "Oogedy-Boogedy" used as a Republican tactic. So...it's not just me.

It's what Daryl Waltrip says at the start of the race.

"boogedy boogedy boogedy, lets go racin'!"

 

[where]

What department in government carried this out?

I'd have to go into my text books for the exact reference, but it is fairly common knowledge.

If it makes you feel better the US has been in the vanguard of disability discrimination since.

 

[Recidiva]

It's what Daryl Waltrip says at the start of the race.

"boogedy boogedy boogedy, lets go racin'!"

Well, there's boogey as in dance...

So there's slang crossover. But I truly didn't make it up.