"Broken Britain..."

[amicus]

I heard that phrase from a Brit Journalist discussing the case of the 13 year old father and 15 year old mother currently in the news.

The Journalist stated, "British parents let their kids drink and smoke at home are not strict about them having sex and do not force them to attend school." (I paraphrase not having the quote at hand.)

The British Courts have imposed a 'gag order', with no further news following this date to be released on the case.

It was stated that the 15 year old girl had been having sex with several different young boys and older men, but had been counseled to claim that the 13 year old boy was the father because the 'story would be more valuable...'

The Journalist claimed this sort of behavior was a nationwide occurrence, with Britain having the highest teen age birth rate in Europe.

Of course you know where I am going with this...socialist Europe is beginning to reap the rewards of a progressive liberal ethical and moral climate.

Who could ask for anything more?

I welcome any British resident to confirm or deny or expand on what I heard on the news.

Thank you.



Amicus...

 

[DesertPirate]

England died last year when they allowed Sharia law to have any meaning there at all.

 

[sr71plt]

England died last year when they allowed Sharia law to have any meaning there at all.

Wow, that goes off 180 degrees from the connection Amicus was straining to make. Love it, though.

 

[amicus]

Ann Coulter, being interviewed on the Larry King Show tonight, guest hosted by that 'The View' twat, Joy Bayhar(sp?), was asked if she had ever dated a Liberal...she laughed and said she tried once but hated the little electric car the guy drove.

Believe that or not...she also said, in answer to a statement that Conservative women had more orgasms than Liberal women, that, "it is because sex is more important and meaningful to conservative women who do not sleep around with every Tom and Harry Dick that came along and that they enjoy being a woman not trying to 'be on top', or manage intercourse in a feminine manner.

I busted a gut laughing at that line.

What was the question? Oh, no question just a slur. Extreme promiscuity leads to a jaded approach to sexual encounters and leads these satiated hedonists to find kinky and perverted forms of sexual recreation to sate their gluttonous appetites.

I did good.

But still...I was hoping to find some comments from the many British folk who are here from time to time about the accuracy of the report I heard and their take on this particular incident.

amicus...

 

[Lauren Hynde]

Tomorrow, Amicus is doing the French. He's here all week. Try the veal.

 

[amicus]

& da Portuguese be next...hang on sweetie!



Amicus (you know you want me)

 

[NoJo]

Actually that news item was inadvertantly very funny -- I think bathos is the word:

When the kid was interviewed (his voice was high, and he looked more like eleven than thirteen), he said he was really worried about how he was going to bring up the kid because he didn't get enough pocket money.

 

[Scotsman69]

Well here's a comment from Scotland. Which is part of the UK by the way. And I do wish some of our transatlantic cousins would learn that 'English' does not mean 'British', or apply to all UK citizens. Most folk from Wales, Northern Ireland, and Scotland go apoplectic if called English, for good reasons if you know anything of UK history and politics.

I watch no TV and do not read prurient tabloid newspapers, so have no knowledge of the story which triggered this thread.

But I can tell you with conviction that the UK has a high teen pregnancy rate, compared to most of the rest of Europe, for two main reasons:

1. Sex education in UK schools is pathetically inadequate compared to much of Europe. Neither boys nor girls learn much about contraception at school. (I speak as the parent of two post-teen daughters and a teen son.)

2. No doubt linked, the provision of advice and contraception was until recently not considered the role of our Health Service, but of a voluntary organisation, the Family Planning Association.

Put the two together and you have a terribly high teen pregnancy rate.

But woe betide any UK politician who tries to tackle the issue. They will be crucified by the prurient right-wing tabloid 'redtop' press, which makes its money by peddling pictorial porn, but retires to a hypocritical 'moral majority' view of any attempt to tackle real issues. Like sex education in schools....

Britain's (and Europe's) problems do not lie in any Socialist tradition. Most lie, as do so many problems the world over, in the blinding hypocrisy of the right.

 

[Guest]

Tomorrow, Amicus is doing the French. He's here all week. Try the veal.

Coffee spew.



(Though the idea of ami "doing" anyone or anything is quite repugnant.)

 

[dr_mabeuse]

Tomorrow, Amicus is doing the French. He's here all week. Try the veal.

I won't be going. You've seen one Amicus show, you've seen them all.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Theodore Dalrymple/Anthony Daniels MD writes about the decline of Britain in many of his columns. He saw it first-hand as a physician in the prisons and hospitals.

 

[oggbashan]

The UK teenage pregnancy rate, although high compared with many countries in Europe, has been falling in recent years.

One exceptional case doesn't prove anything. According to the 15-year-old mother she was taking contraceptive pills but missed one.

Forty-five years ago the younger sister of one of my employees was pregnant at 12 years old. She didn't know which of four 15-year-old boys was the father and there was no DNA testing then. She thought that one of their rubbers had split or slipped off.

All that is different about Britain compared with fifty, one hundred, or two hundred years ago - is that such things are now reported with banner headlines.

Og

 

[sacrificedangel]

Well here's a comment from Scotland. Which is part of the UK by the way. And I do wish some of our transatlantic cousins would learn that 'English' does not mean 'British', or apply to all UK citizens. Most folk from Wales, Northern Ireland, and Scotland go apoplectic if called English, for good reasons if you know anything of UK history and politics.

I watch no TV and do not read prurient tabloid newspapers, so have no knowledge of the story which triggered this thread.

But I can tell you with conviction that the UK has a high teen pregnancy rate, compared to most of the rest of Europe, for two main reasons:

1. Sex education in UK schools is pathetically inadequate compared to much of Europe. Neither boys nor girls learn much about contraception at school. (I speak as the parent of two post-teen daughters and a teen son.)

2. No doubt linked, the provision of advice and contraception was until recently not considered the role of our Health Service, but of a voluntary organisation, the Family Planning Association.

Put the two together and you have a terribly high teen pregnancy rate.

But woe betide any UK politician who tries to tackle the issue. They will be crucified by the prurient right-wing tabloid 'redtop' press, which makes its money by peddling pictorial porn, but retires to a hypocritical 'moral majority' view of any attempt to tackle real issues. Like sex education in schools....

Britain's (and Europe's) problems do not lie in any Socialist tradition. Most lie, as do so many problems the world over, in the blinding hypocrisy of the right.

Agreed. Plus, now that they are testing out bringing certain aspects of sex ed into primary schools (which has been highly sucessful in denmark I believe), it is being raged against by some of the country not wanting their "children" subjected to such adult topics. Well sorry, but I think its about bloody time they taught our UK youngsters sex education early, since they are having sex, experimenting, etc younger and younger. Im only 23, I didnt get sex ed in our school until I was 13, and what we did get taught was WOEFULLY inadequate. Learning about periods at 13 was about as much use as a poke in the fucking eye since most of us knew about all that for at least 2 years already. So hell, I lost my virginity at 14, dont regret it much, just wish Id waited longer...HOWEVER...thanks to my rather chatty older sister, I at least knew about contraception. <--again...something that was woefully hinted upon in our sex ed class.

So now...here the UK is with the Highest rate of teen pregnancy...there are enough people joining in the "public outcry" but fuck all being done about it that will actually help, but then here are these people, hoping to bring the sex education in at an earlier age here to help the situation like it did in Denmark...and another handful of people have a "public outcry" about that! Children are having CHILDREN. Its not like 100 or 200 years ago, where children were considered to be ready...and were forced to be adult. These children are so very much younger than their ages and most dont understand the level of responsibility they have to take for their actions.

There are some, that are quite remarkable though, it is unfair for me to lump all really young parents into the same mix. I know one mum here who was 14 when she had her wee boy, and her boyfriend at the time was 15. They are no longer together, but she works her arse off, and so does the father to make sure their boy has nice clothes, has toys. He is four now and I can honestly say that she has looked after him so much better than some of the older parents that live around here.

In this story, of the 13 yr old boy though, one thing caught my attention and stuck...was that the parents of both parties gave their consent for the sex to occur. Now...I can perhaps understand the parents of 16 yr olds allowing this grudgingly because you wouldnt want them in some alley etc...but to allow a 13 yr old and a 15 year old to engage in sex with your permission...something right there...is wrong with that mentality.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

ANGEL

Either goddamned way the kiddies are too irresposnsible to use birth control.

You act like kids will do their math homework if you teach them how to do it, or wash the dishes, or clean their bedrooms.

 

[sacrificedangel]

lol I suppose you have a point there. LOL I know kids will probably not do their math homework...but...you have to admit...having the knowledge in order to make a decision is a good thing. Teaching them young I think will help the situation, they may well still have sex...but there might just be more of them willing to use protection if they are shown the consequnces of not. Perhaps...hell Im only going by my own experience and those that I know from around here.
Kids are kids...the best we can do is provide some level of teaching on the subject since inevitabley we all do what the hell we want to at that age if we can get away with it.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

ANGEL

There needs to be toxic stigma attached to teenage pregnancy. If Miley Cyrus made it known that she thinks teenage moms are lower than whale shit, the kids would respond.

 

[sacrificedangel]

Most likey true...but then she would get her arse sued.

 

[oggbashan]

...In this story, of the 13 yr old boy though, one thing caught my attention and stuck...was that the parents of both parties gave their consent for the sex to occur. Now...I can perhaps understand the parents of 16 yr olds allowing this grudgingly because you wouldnt want them in some alley etc...but to allow a 13 yr old and a 15 year old to engage in sex with your permission...something right there...is wrong with that mentality.

There are toxic parents that have no idea that saying "no" or "don't do that" is necessary.

There are toxic parents who will not accept any criticism of their children.

There are toxic parents who have no idea that children need set boundaries and rules.

There are toxic parents who think that their children having children is a good way to get entry to the benefit system.

There are toxic parents who make money from selling the story of their childrens' underage sex to tabloid newspapers - and have no concept that they might be doing wrong.

Ask any teacher who works in the class that takes children for their first introduction to schooling - they could tell you by the end of the first hour which children have toxic parents who haven't thought about their child's welfare at all. Those children will be the ones in trouble with the authorities long before they finish their schooling.

It isn't the school's fault. The ideas that we can have rights without responsibilities and that children don't need discipline or attention as infants produce children who start school with no idea of right and wrong, nor how to consider other people as well as themselves.

Og

Edited for PS: Mainland China has similar problems with the one child per family policy. Many of those single children are known as "Little Emperors" because they are spoilt and have too high an opinion of themselves, with no idea of cooperation with other children.

 

[sr71plt]

There are toxic parents that have no idea that saying "no" or "don't do that" is necessary.

There are toxic parents who will not accept any criticism of their children.

There are toxic parents who have no idea that children need set boundaries and rules.

There are toxic parents who think that their children having children is a good way to get entry to the benefit system.

There are toxic parents who make money from selling the story of their childrens' underage sex to tabloid newspapers - and have no concept that they might be doing wrong.

Ask any teacher who works in the class that takes children for their first introduction to schooling - they could tell you by the end of the first hour which children have toxic parents who haven't thought about their child's welfare at all. Those children will be the ones in trouble with the authorities long before they finish their schooling.

It isn't the school's fault. The ideas that we can have rights without responsibilities and that children don't need discipline or attention as infants produce children who start school with no idea of right and wrong, or how to consider other people as well as themselves.

Og

And I guess the joke is that Amicus thinks toxic parents only come in British varieties.

 

[oggbashan]

And I guess the joke is that Amicus thinks toxic parents only come in British varieties.

To a certain extent he has a point.

Our welfare state perversely rewards toxic parents and their children, despite politicians' efforts to change the system.

But they are a minority of parents.

Most British children are as great as they always were. The amount of money they will raise for Comic Relief shortly will be amazing.

The number of schoolchildren who support their communities efforts to improve where they live is heartening.

However one or two individuals can ruin the hard work of many others by a few minutes of criminal damage.

Og

 

[Scotsman69]

Teen pregnancy rate in the USA?

Just a wee thought. 'Amicus' (strange name for such a belligerent free-market proponent) seems to think the UK has a bigger problem than the USA in teen pregnancies, and by inference in other regards.

(But hey, the current world recession was triggered by the unregulated anarchy of the US banking/mortgage system, which allowed sub-prime to happen... Ach, sorry, I digress...)

But, re teen pregnancies, does ANYONE know what the real US rate actually is? The published rate is for births which either occurred in the formal healthcare system, or were registered by the parents, or both. I draw your attention to two facts:

1. A significant proportion of the US population consists of illegal immigrants. By definition, nobody actually KNOWS how many there are.

2. Healthcare in the USA is notoriously virtually a private sector monopoly. It seems reasonable to assume that a significant proportion of illegal immigrants, like many of the rest of the US poor, have no health insurance. It seems also reasonable to assume that many teen and other pregnancies amongst illegal immigrants are not registered, for the process of appearing in a legal record would reveal the illegality of their presence in the country.

So, can anyone honestly put their hand on their heart, and tell me what the REAL rate of teen pregnancies in the USA is? At least the public nature of UK healthcare provision means that we know the accurate figure here! And I completely accept, for the reasons I outlined above, that it is disgracefully high.

So 'Amicus', or any US author, have you an answer?

 

[sr71plt]

So 'Amicus', or any US author, have you an answer?

Stay healthy and keep your legs crossed?

 

[sacrificedangel]

Stay healthy and keep your legs crossed?

LMAO. Promotion of the fun of masturbation? Posters charting how expensive partners are and that its more fulfilling to fullfill yourself?

 

[DesertPirate]

All that is different about Britain compared with fifty, one hundred, or two hundred years ago - is that such things are now reported with banner headlines.

Og

I suspect it's the same here too

 

[oggbashan]

Wiki and other sources suggest that the rate of teenage pregnancies in the developed world is led by the US with the UK next worst on half the US's figure per 1000 population.

Og