Anybody who thinks they have a cold winter...

[Safe_Bet]

Just another way for you to ignore the actual science, eh Ami?

Snow is precipitation. More water evaporating in the tropics means more snow for you when the jet stream brings it down from the Gulf of Alaska.

Of course, you knew that. You are just being a twat, as usual.

Hey, Bel! 79F and climbing at 10:20 am, not a cloud in the sky, PLENTY of sunshine and thinking about going for a swim...

Muahahahaha! How you doing?

 

[Belegon]

Hey, Bel! 79F and climbing at 10:20 am, not a cloud in the sky, PLENTY of sunshine and thinking about going for a swim...

Muahahahaha! How you doing?

My fingers and toes may be cold, but my heart is constantly warmed by my proximity to my love...

 

[Safe_Bet]

My fingers and toes may be cold, but my heart is constantly warmed by my proximity to my love...

Yup. Same with me and mine! Only diff is I get to have a warm heart while wearing flip flops, shorts and a halter top.

 

[3113]

Yup. Same with me and mine! Only diff is I get to have a warm heart while wearing flip flops, shorts and a halter top.

Ah, another day in SoCal. Lemonade anyone?

 

[amicus]

Moi? A TWAT? Hmmm...Belegon, you have the honor of being the first to refer to me in that manner.

I might suggest a glance at Trysail's recent pasting concerning the SCIENCE behind the coming ice age and that the inconsequential amount of CO2 claimed to be anthropogenic, is not a drop in the ocean to deter either extreme of global climate change.

But...keep on drinking the kool-ade, it won't kill you in this lifetime, just make dying more expensive for everyone.

ami

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Ah, another day in SoCal. Lemonade anyone?

Only if its spiked. On the other hand, a cold beer would be welcome . . .

 

[trysail]

I admit it. I have difficulty quickly translating temperature-related posts from our various European ( Liar, Ogg, Tarakin, Munachi, Neon... ) and antipodean correspondents ( Starrkers ). So, for those of us to whom 10°C. sounds chilly or 70°F. sounds infernally hot, here's a quick conversion table:

Temperature Conversion Table

-30 C = -22 F
-29 C = -20 F
-28 C = -18 F
-27 C = -17 F
-26 C = -15 F
-25 C = -13 F
-24 C = -11 F
-23 C = -9 F
-22 C = -8 F
-21 C = -6 F
-20 C = -4 F
-19 C = -2 F
-18 C = -0 F
-17 C = 1 F
-16 C = 3 F
-15 C = 5 F
-14 C = 7 F
-13 C = 9 F
-12 C = 10 F
-11 C = 12 F
-10 C = 14 F
-9 C = 16 F
-8 C = 18 F
-7 C = 19 F
-6 C = 21 F
-5 C = 23 F
-4 C = 25 F
-3 C = 27 F
-2 C = 28 F
-1 C = 30 F
0 C = 32 F
1 C = 34 F
2 C = 36 F
3 C = 37 F
4 C = 39 F
5 C = 41 F
6 C = 43 F
7 C = 45 F
8 C = 46 F
9 C = 48 F
10 C = 50 F
11 C = 52 F
12 C = 54 F
13 C = 55 F
14 C = 57 F
15 C = 59 F
16 C = 61 F
17 C = 63 F
18 C = 64 F
19 C = 66 F
20 C = 68 F
21 C = 70 F
22 C = 72 F
23 C = 73 F
24 C = 75 F
25 C = 77 F
26 C = 79 F
27 C = 81 F
28 C = 82 F
29 C = 84 F
30 C = 86 F
31 C = 88 F
32 C = 90 F
33 C = 91 F
34 C = 93 F
35 C = 95 F
36 C = 97 F
37 C = 99 F
38 C = 100 F
39 C = 102 F
40 C = 104 F
41 C = 106 F
42 C = 108 F
43 C = 109 F

 

[elfin_odalisque]

Just another way for you to ignore the actual science, eh Ami?

Snow is precipitation. More water evaporating in the tropics means more snow for you when the jet stream brings it down from the Gulf of Alaska.

Of course, you knew that. You are just being a twat, as usual.

Why screw it Bel. The arctic ice cover is greater than for thirty years. The northern hemisphere winter is colder than 1997. Global temperatures have been falling for a decade. The hockey stick temperature graph (and Hansen) is totally discredited and reports that Antartica is warming are based on admittedly made up numbers. Global temperatures today are lower than the era when dinosaurs became extinct and they didn't drive SUV's, fly Boeing or breed cows.

There's a distinct lack of joined-up thinking here.

 

[freshface]

Why screw it Bel. The arctic ice cover is greater than for thirty years. The northern hemisphere winter is colder than 1997. Global temperatures have been falling for a decade. The hockey stick temperature graph (and Hansen) is totally discredited and reports that Antartica is warming are based on admittedly made up numbers. Global temperatures today are lower than the era when dinosaurs became extinct and they didn't drive SUV's, fly Boeing or breed cows.

There's a distinct lack of joined-up thinking here.

Sources please. According to NASA, using data going back to 1880, the ten warmest years occurred between 1997 and 2008. Doesn't sound like cooling to me. http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2008/

 

[trysail]

Sources please. According to NASA, using data going back to 1880, the ten warmest years occurred between 1997 and 2008. Doesn't sound like cooling to me...

Washington DC, Jan 27th 2009:
NASA warming scientist James Hansen, one of former Vice-President Al Gore’s closest allies in the promotion of man-made global warming fears, is being publicly rebuked by his former supervisor at NASA.

Retired senior NASA atmospheric scientist, Dr. John S. Theon, the former supervisor of James Hansen, NASA’s vocal man-made global warming fear soothsayer, has now publicly declared himself a skeptic and declared that Hansen “embarrassed NASA” with his alarming climate claims and said Hansen was “was never muzzled.” Theon joins the rapidly growing ranks of international scientists abandoning the promotion of man-made global warming fears.

“I appreciate the opportunity to add my name to those who disagree that global warming is man made,” Theon wrote to the Minority Office at the Environment and Public Works Committee on January 15, 2009. “I was, in effect, Hansen’s supervisor because I had to justify his funding, allocate his resources, and evaluate his results,” Theon, the former Chief of the Climate Processes Research Program at NASA Headquarters and former Chief of the Atmospheric Dynamics & Radiation Branch explained.

“Hansen was never muzzled even though he violated NASA’s official agency position on climate forecasting (i.e., we did not know enough to forecast climate change or mankind’s effect on it). Hansen thus embarrassed NASA by coming out with his claims of global warming in 1988 in his testimony before Congress,” Theon wrote.

Theon declared “climate models are useless.” “My own belief concerning anthropogenic climate change is that the models do not realistically simulate the climate system because there are many very important sub-grid scale processes that the models either replicate poorly or completely omit,” Theon explained. “Furthermore, some scientists have manipulated the observed data to justify their model results. In doing so, they neither explain what they have modified in the observations, nor explain how they did it. They have resisted making their work transparent so that it can be replicated independently by other scientists. This is clearly contrary to how science should be done. Thus there is no rational justification for using climate model forecasts to determine public policy,” he added.

“As Chief of several of NASA Headquarters’ programs (1982-94), an SES position, I was responsible for all weather and climate research in the entire agency, including the research work by James Hansen, Roy Spencer, Joanne Simpson, and several hundred other scientists at NASA field centers, in academia, and in the private sector who worked on climate research,” Theon wrote of his career. “This required a thorough understanding of the state of the science. I have kept up with climate science since retiring by reading books and journal articles,” Theon added. Theon also co-authored the book “Advances in Remote Sensing Retrieval Methods.” [Note: Theon joins many current and former NASA scientists in dissenting from man-made climate fears. A small sampling includes: Aerospace engineer and physicist Dr. Michael Griffin, the former top administrator of NASA, Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology, and formerly of NASA, Geophysicist Dr. Phil Chapman, an astronautical engineer and former NASA astronaut, Award-Winning NASA Astronaut/Geologist and Moonwalker Jack Schmitt, Award-winning NASA Astronaut and Physicist Walter Cunningham of NASA's Apollo 7, Chemist and Nuclear Engineer Robert DeFayette was formerly with NASA's Plum Brook Reactor, Hungarian Ferenc Miskolczi, an atmospheric physicist with 30 years of experience and a former researcher with NASA's Ames Research Center, Climatologist Dr. John Christy, Climatologist Dr. Roy W. Spencer, Atmospheric Scientist Ross Hays of NASA's Columbia Scientific Balloon Facility]

Gore faces a much different scientific climate in 2009 than the one he faced in 2006 when his film “An Inconvenient Truth” was released. According to satellite data, the Earth has cooled since Gore’s film was released, Antarctic sea ice extent has grown to record levels, sea level rise has slowed, ocean temperatures have failed to warm, and more and more scientists have publicly declared their dissent from man-made climate fears as peer-reviewed studies continue to man-made counter warming fears.

A U.S. Senate Minority Report released in December 2008 details over 650 international scientists who are dissenting from man-made global warming fears promoted by the UN and yourself. Many of the scientists profiled are former UN IPCC scientists and former believers in man-made climate change that have reversed their views in recent years. The report continues to grow almost daily. We have just received a request from an Italian scientist, and a Czech scientist to join the 650 dissenting scientists report. A chemist from the U.S. Naval Academy is about to be added, and more Japanese scientists are dissenting. Finally, many more meteorologists will be added and another former UN IPCC scientist is about to be included. These scientists are openly rebelling against the climate orthodoxy promoted by Gore and the UN IPCC.

The prestigious International Geological Congress, dubbed the geologists’ equivalent of the Olympic Games, was held in Norway in August 2008 and prominently featured the voices of scientists skeptical of man-made global warming fears. Reports from the conference found that Skeptical scientists overwhelmed the meeting, with ‘2/3 of presenters and question-askers hostile to, even dismissive of, the UN IPCC. In addition, a 2008 canvass of more than 51,000 Canadian scientists revealed 68% disagree that global warming science is “settled.” A November 25, 2008, article in Politico noted that a “growing accumulation” of science is challenging warming fears, and added that the “science behind global warming may still be too shaky to warrant cap-and-trade legislation.” More evidence that the global warming fear machine is breaking down. Russian scientists “rejected the very idea that carbon dioxide may be responsible for global warming”. An American Physical Society editor conceded that a “considerable presence” of scientific skeptics exists. An International team of scientists countered the UN IPCC, declaring: “Nature, Not Human Activity, Rules the Climate”. India Issued a report challenging global warming fears. International Scientists demanded the UN IPCC “be called to account and cease its deceptive practices.”

The chorus of skeptical scientific voices grow louder in 2008 as a steady stream of peer-reviewed studies, analyses, real world data and inconvenient developments challenged the UN’s and former Vice President Al Gore’s claims that the “science is settled” and there is a “consensus.”

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/01/...ys-hansen-embarrassed-nasa-was-never-muzzled/

 

[freshface]

*shrugs* I find my souce more credible than yours.

 

[NoJo]

The Isle of Sodor of the West Coast of Britain has adopted the Smurdley, from Knuth's Potrzebie system of Weights and measures, 27 Degrees C is 100 Degrees Smurdley, the optimum temperature for eating halavah.

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