1 in 5 young adults has personality disorder - yahoo.news

[ellynei]

Well, with all the people calling "paranoia!" and "not paranoia!" it'd be very nice to get a name on the study mentioned in the first post, to read up on what that study actually was.

Going off for the weekend now though.

Have a nice weekend, people

 

[AllardChardon]

ellynei, this is what I found at the bottom of the article on yahoo.news.

Archives of General Psychiatry
Vol. 65 No. 12, December 2008

Mental Health of College Students and Their Non–College-Attending Peers
Results From the National Epidemiologic Study on Alcohol and Related Conditions

Carlos Blanco, MD, PhD; Mayumi Okuda, MD; Crystal Wright, BS; Deborah S. Hasin, PhD; Bridget F. Grant, PhD, PhD; Shang-Min Liu, MS; Mark Olfson, MD, MPH

Arch Gen Psychiatry. 2008;65(12):1429-1437.

Context: Although young adulthood is often characterized by rapid intellectual and social development, college-aged individuals are also commonly exposed to circumstances that place them at risk for psychiatric disorders.

Objectives: To assess the 12-month prevalence of psychiatric disorders, sociodemographic correlates, and rates of treatment among individuals attending college and their non–college-attending peers in the United States.

Design, Setting, and Participants: Face-to-face interviews were conducted in the 2001-2002 National Epidemiologic Survey on Alcohol and Related Conditions (N = 43 093). Analyses were done for the subsample of college-aged individuals, defined as those aged 19 to 25 years who were both attending (n = 2188) and not attending (n = 2904) college in the previous year.

Main Outcome Measures: Sociodemographic correlates and prevalence of 12-month DSM-IV psychiatric disorders, substance use, and treatment seeking among college-attending individuals and their non–college-attending peers.

Results: Almost half of college-aged individuals had a psychiatric disorder in the past year. The overall rate of psychiatric disorders was not different between college-attending individuals and their non–college-attending peers. The unadjusted risk of alcohol use disorders was significantly greater for college students than for their non–college-attending peers (odds ratio = 1.25; 95% confidence interval, 1.04-1.50), although not after adjusting for background sociodemographic characteristics (adjusted odds ratio = 1.19; 95% confidence interval, 0.98-1.44). College students were significantly less likely (unadjusted and adjusted) to have a diagnosis of drug use disorder or nicotine dependence or to have used tobacco than their non–college-attending peers. Bipolar disorder was less common in individuals attending college. College students were significantly less likely to receive past-year treatment for alcohol or drug use disorders than their non–college-attending peers.

Conclusions: Psychiatric disorders, particularly alcohol use disorders, are common in the college-aged population. Although treatment rates varied across disorders, overall fewer than 25% of individuals with a mental disorder sought treatment in the year prior to the survey. These findings underscore the importance of treatment and prevention interventions among college-aged individuals.

Author Affiliations: New York State Psychiatric Institute/Department of Psychiatry, College of Physicians and Surgeons (Drs Blanco, Okuda, Hasin, Grant, and Olfson and Mss Wright and Liu), and Department of Epidemiology, Mailman School of Public Health (Drs Hasin and Grant), Columbia University, New York; and Laboratory of Epidemiology, Division of Intramural Clinical and Biological Research, National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, Maryland (Dr Grant).

 

[freshface]

Volupt,

Do you need to have "the last word" and tell us all to "Give it a break" at the same time. I think this is the third time you have tried to end a thread that I have been enjoying. I just don't understand your tactic. What's the use? Do we listen? Does the thread end? Do we give it a break when you tell us to?

Not really.

Allard

Doesn't seem to me like he was trying to have the last word or kill the thread. Do you really only want to hear from people who subscribe to your views? Not much of a discussion that way.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

I don't want anyone to shut up, just do the math. There are approximately a hundred million children in school in the U.S. $24M is therefore about fifty cents each. What kind of mental health screening can you do for a half buck? An individual IQ test takes an hour, at least, and costs over a hundred dollars to administer and assess. The Minnesotta Multiphasic Personality Index (MMPI) is more subtle, takes longer and is more expensive. From a pure economic standpoint, this article is dubious. Then check with your local school system. We can't even get a full- or even half-time counselor on campus let alone a staff of psychiatrists to screen, assiss, diagnose and treat 20% of the population. The whole thing simply makes no sense so why are people so eager to believe?

And I was one of those college students who definitely had mental health issues. Fortunately, my university had an excellent counseling center and so I was prevented from comitting 'suicide by police officer' like that poor guy in the Texas tower with the brain tumor.

 

[cloudy]

I don't want anyone to shut up, just do the math. There are approximately a hundred million children in school in the U.S. $24M is therefore about fifty cents each. What kind of mental health screening can you do for a half buck? An individual IQ test takes an hour, at least, and costs over a hundred dollars to administer and assess. The Minnesotta Multiphasic Personality Index (MMPI) is more subtle, takes longer and is more expensive. From a pure economic standpoint, this article is dubious. Then check with your local school system. We can't even get a full- or even half-time counselor on campus let alone a staff of psychiatrists to screen, assiss, diagnose and treat 20% of the population. The whole thing simply makes no sense so why are people so eager to believe?

And I was one of those college students who definitely had mental health issues. Fortunately, my university had an excellent counseling center and so I was prevented from comitting 'suicide by police officer' like that poor guy in the Texas tower with the brain tumor.

Our schools have a full-time counselor in each school, but it seems that overall our schools are better funded than most, though I don't know why. We still have art and music programs where a lot of schools have cut them.

But yeah, I agree...the article is just paranoia fodder. That's all.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

"Conclusions: Psychiatric disorders, particularly alcohol use disorders, are common in the college-aged population. Although treatment rates varied across disorders, overall fewer than 25% of individuals with a mental disorder sought treatment in the year prior to the survey. These findings underscore the importance of treatment and prevention interventions among college-aged individuals. "

Ah! The assholes are partying too much. Sorry! This is NOT mental disorder fodder. Its conduct.

It can certainly lead to traumatic experiences...like rape or murder or jail time or expulsion from school, but mederating the fun almost always reduces or eliminates the hangover.

 

[AllardChardon]

Maybe one of the reasons that the testing never showed up in schools was the fact that Ron Paul brought this subject to the attention of parents across the United States with his congressional acts. Maybe not. Either way, testing like this would never start in California. Maybe Texas, like the Texas Medication Algorithm Project, that was in the article XssVe posted. Either way, if they never screen pre-schoolers, it will be a better world. They are not fully developed yet.

And whether the article is valid or not, it still raises awareness of what is happening with our young people and is probably part of a study to understand the rash of college shootings.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Maybe one of the reasons that the testing never showed up in schools was the fact that Ron Paul brought this subject to the attention of parents across the United States with his congressional acts. Maybe not. Either way, testing like this would never start in California. Maybe Texas, like the Texas Medication Algorithm Project, that was in the article XssVe posted. Either way, if they never screen pre-schoolers, it will be a better world. They are not fully developed yet.

And whether the article is valid or not, it still raises awareness of what is happening with our young people and is probably part of a study to understand the rash of college shootings.

Despite the outroar and justifiable horror that occurs whenever some child goes on a killing spree, schools are (statistically) still safer than homes, sad to say. Still, when a Virginia Tec or a Columbine happens the first thing that must be done is understand how it could have happened. In Virginia there was a gap (since closed!) in the law that didn't permit the publishing of the judge's ruling that the shooter was a threat to himself and others. Thus the gun store had no reason to refuse to sell him one. In Columbine, the shooters were the butt of abuse from their fellow students and the faculty either didn't see it or refused to take any action against the 'Beautiful People' who were the offenders. Most of these disasters can be prevented by awareness of what is happening within the hormonally turbulent mob of growing brains and bodies that inhabit schools. It doesn't take mental health screening, just professional watchfulness on the part of the adults in charge.

 

[AllardChardon]

Truly, schools are a safe haven for many children. We live in a very poor area and our local school serves hot, made at the school, breakfast and lunch. Some of these kids have only this sustinence for the entire day. They never have dinner and on weekends I shudder at the thought of their meager existence. Their parents are in the bar or at the meth lab.

 

[cloudy]

Truly, schools are a safe haven for many children. We live in a very poor area and our local school serves hot, made at the school, breakfast and lunch. Some of these kids have only this sustinence for the entire day. They never have dinner and on weekends I shudder at the thought of their meager existence. Their parents are in the bar or at the meth lab.

I hate to shatter your illusions, but people don't "hang out at the meth lab."

They may do meth, but that's the last place they want to hang out.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

That link to the article seems to be broken. I'm very suspicious of this article. I think it's bullshit. It's not legal to do medical testing on children for diagnostic purposes without parental permission. It's simply against the law. It's a violation of their civil rights.

It's certainly illegal to treat minors without their parents' permission. That just isn't done. You can't just start giving kids drugs without their parents' okay.

You can't be treated for anything without your permission as long as you're mentally competent.

And no one was ever committed for failing an "are you depressed?" test. You can be hospitalized as a danger to yourself or others under most state laws but it takes an MD to put you away and a court order to keep you there.

At the same time, it's pretty funny to take the "are you depressed?" tests the manufacturers of anti-depressants hand out to doctors. Questions like: "sometimes I feel sad." "At night I get sleepy." "I don't have as much energy as I'd like." "I'm not as happy as I used to be."

 

[dr_mabeuse]

Conclusions: Psychiatric disorders, particularly alcohol use disorders, are common in the college-aged population. Although treatment rates varied across disorders, overall fewer than 25% of individuals with a mental disorder sought treatment in the year prior to the survey. These findings underscore the importance of treatment and prevention interventions among college-aged individuals.

They're considering binge drinking among college-aged students a personality disorder?

And it's only 1 out of 5?

Move along, people. Nothing to see here. Nothing to see.

 

[AllardChardon]

Cloudy,

I live in one of the largest and poorest counties in California amongst the evergreens. There are meth labs in the forest and the addicts carry on for days, leave the shit behind and find a new place to cook. In the middle of the night, especially full moons, they go on old garbage dumps runs, digging until dawn looking for precious objects covered in debris. One acquaintance of mine told me he had to shoot his shotgun off over their heads to scare them off his property during the last full moon. He has an aged dump on his 20 acres and alot of trouble keeping them out. We have very few police officers in the area and no one was concerned about the shotgun at 3am on Crag View Drive. It is an usual occurrence.

So they do hang at the lab around here. And make new ones anywhere they like. The Shasta/Trinity National Forest is one of my nearest neighbors and the Pacific Crest Trail is not far, either.

Allard

 

[xssve]

I'm sorry but I think this article is a crock. If Congress appropriated $24M for mandatory mental health screening, how come the mandate has never reached the school level? Huh? There is no mandatory mental health screening in my school, none! Occasionally we come across a child with rather obvious psycho/emotional problems. The procedures it takes to get treatment for the poor little bugger are extensive and if the parent doesn't sign off on them they don't happen. Give it a break, folks. This is either an urban myth or an attention ploy by Ron Paul.

Mandating it and actually providing the funds are two different things when it comes to congress - as far as I know, it's based on a program implemented only in Texas thus far, TMAP - you might do better to read about that.

 

[dr_mabeuse]

Mandating it and actually providing the funds are two different things when it comes to congress - as far as I know, it's based on a program implemented only in Texas thus far, TMAP - you might do better to read about that.

The article doesn't say anything. It says that pharmaceutical companies provided funding for for the Texas Medication Algorithm Project (TMAP), a decision-tree medical algorithm which is apparently a guide to prescribing medication to hospitalized patients.

You're extrapolating to see this as some sort of enforced-medication mandate?

 

[xssve]

It is not an uncommon tactic of fascist regimes to label their detractors "mentally ill", the logic being, "if you oppose us, you must be crazy".

There is a definite historical right wing obsession with differentiating "normal" from "abnormal" - see the history of phrenology for example, or the whole same sex issue, even racism - combined with this whole "pre-emptive" philosophy, and corporate smelling a profit and you have a recipe for something very unfortunate.

MKULTRA was an experiment to see if drugs could be used for mind control, it was real, not an urban myth - unfortunately for them, LSD only made people ask more questions, so it became illegal, in spite of the fact that it was one of the only really effective treatments for schizophrenia: the whole reason it was synthesized in the first place.

Another one of those Alfred Nobel moments.

 

[xssve]

Wisconsin, and Michigan, to some extent, have been a test beds for a lot of those conservative philanthropy ideologies - you really should check these people out, they are the same people who were behind the eugenics movement in the Thirties and Forties, and at one point even managed to push compulsory sterilization through. They essentially took over Margaret Sanger's Family Planning, and the irony of conservatives problems with abortion is that it's essentially a conservative movement, funded by conservative philanthropies, closely tied to the eugenics movement of the Thirties.

George H. Bush was ran eugenics programs in Africa with his mentor and friend of his fathers, General Wycliffe Draper (who, among other things, ran a study for the air force to prove that White pilots were better than Black ones, see the WSJ article on the subject), where compulsory sterilizations were performed without the patients knowledge, a practice that still continues.

This is a conspiracy, and one of long standing - mediatransparency has a lot of stories on the subject of conservative philanthropies, whose other projects include deregulation, and privatization of schools, prisons, etc., to which end they seek to infiltrate the legal system - "judicial activism" is a code phrase popular with the evangelical movement which they hijacked to get elected in the last two elections.

I'm sure I'll end up being called paranoid again, but you can follow the money for yourself, and whether or not you question how much influence they might have, their motives, and the attempts to implement them with varying degrees of success are patently clear and well documented, this just looks like the latest twist.

 

[xssve]

I'll end the hijack into eugenics for the moment, but one last one, you might find this interesting - I just read it in an old issue of Wired I found in a box of old magazines out in my shed: Wired: The Remastered Race.

Nothing particularly sinister about it, just thought I'd throw in something less conspiratorial, the issues involved here are a with posthuman genetics and genetic tampering in general, and it really deserves a separate thread - my own take on it is that I really don't trust myopic researchers to be able to effectively second guess millions of years of intricate evolutionary trial and error, but if I know anything about humans, it's that if it can be done, somebody, somewhere, will do it - it's just too soon to endorse genetic modification kiosks (TM) in the mall, IMO.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

I'm sure I'll end up being called paranoid again, but you can follow the money for yourself, and whether or not you question how much influence they might have, their motives, and the attempts to implement them with varying degrees of success are patently clear and well documented, this just looks like the latest twist.

Like I said, just 'cuz you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get ya.

 

[Pure]

asking the shrink if you have a treatable disorder is a bit like asking the barber if you need a haircut.

 

[AllardChardon]

XssVe articles brought back to mind a young female woman I met at a bar. Her parents allowed the state to implant her with a device in her arm that would deliver contraceptive chemicals into her blood for five years. When I met her the five years was over and the damned thing was still in her arm. No removal procedure scheduled.

As a teenager, she had been pregnant and given birth three times, in about five years, was a horrible addict and shouldn't have been birthing any child. I understood why her parents did this, but I was shocked to learn this truth. She is not in much better shape now and, of the two children she did keep, her daughter is a militant lesbian and her son is a Jehoval Witness.

I wanted to look up the name of the stuff they implanted in her but could not remember the name. Maybe Norplant or something. Anyway, I looked up compulsary contraception given to crminals and this is what I got.

I knew nothing of this until today and frankly, I was shocked.

Allard

Compulsory sterilization
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The first state to introduce compulsory sterilization legislation was Michigan, in 1897 but the law failed to garner enough votes by legislators to be adopted. Eight years later Pennsylvania's state legislators passed a sterilization bill that was vetoed by the governor. Indiana became the first state to enact sterilization legislation in 1907,[18] followed closely by Washington and California in 1909. Sterilization rates across the country were relatively low (California being the sole exception) until the 1927 Supreme Court case Buck v. Bell which legitimized the forced sterilization of patients at a Virginia home for the mentally retarded. The number of sterilizations performed per year increased until another Supreme Court case, Skinner v. Oklahoma, 1942, complicated the legal situation by ruling against sterilization of criminals if the equal protection clause of the constitution was violated. That is, if sterilization was to be performed, then it could not exempt white-collar criminals."


"California sterilized more than any other state by a wide margin, and was responsible for over a third of all sterilization operations. Information about the California sterilization program was produced into book form and widely disseminated by eugenicists E.S. Gosney and Paul B. Popenoe, which was said by the government of Adolf Hitler to be of key importance in proving that large-scale compulsory sterilization programs were feasible.[23] In recent years, the governors of many states have made public apologies for their past programs beginning with Virginia and followed by Oregon and California. None have offered to compensate those sterilized, however, citing that few are likely still living (and would of course have no affected offspring) and that inadequate records remain by which to verify them. At least one compensation case, Poe v. Lynchburg Training School & Hospital (1981), was filed in the courts on the grounds that the sterilization law was unconstitutional. It was rejected because the law was no longer in effect at the time of the filing. However, the petitioners were granted some compensation as the stipulations of the law itself, which required informing the patients about their operations, had not been carried out in many cases."

 

[voluptuary_manque]

XssVe articles brought back to mind a young female woman I met at a bar. Her parents allowed the state to implant her with a device in her arm that would deliver contraceptive chemicals into her blood for five years. When I met her the five years was over and the damned thing was still in her arm. No removal procedure scheduled.

As a teenager, she had been pregnant and given birth three times, in about five years, was a horrible addict and shouldn't have been birthing any child. I understood why her parents did this, but I was shocked to learn this truth. She is not in much better shape now and, of the two children she did keep, her daughter is a militant lesbian and her son is a Jehoval Witness.

I wanted to look up the name of the stuff they implanted in her but could not remember the name. Maybe Norplant or something. Anyway, I looked up compulsary contraception given to crminals and this is what I got.

I knew nothing of this until today and frankly, I was shocked.

Allard

Oh yes, California was not always the forward-thinking, bellweather state that we like to believe it is now. Remember that Earl Warren, that Chief Justice hailed as a bringer of civil rights while on the Supreme Court, was also the governor who drove the Japanese Detention at Manzanar through the Roosevelt White House. Remember the Yellow Peril, the Vigilantes and many other insults to the 14th Amendment. We done 'em all.

And Norplant is the name of the inserted constraceptive.

 

[JackLuis]

Recap from First

To get back to the first Article cited:

What were the criteria for judging 1 in 5 as being "abnormal" or crazy?
I'd bet that at least 20% of College aged kids are crazy at any one time and most of them are just trying out different personas. Sort of trying a suit to see if it fits.

The researchers may have had an interest in "Finding a Problem" that only more funding could solve.

It sounds to me like there are at least three or four stories that could come out of this discussion.

1. Proff looks at his funding and needs to generate a controversy.

2. Grad Student takes part and finds that asking the Questions of participants identifies the Girls (Boys) that are trying out their Nymph-personas. He/She takes charge of those records, He He.

3. Unscrupulous Politician seizes on the Study to run on in the special election for School Board. Makes friends with the Proff and the Grad Student to "interview" selected participants.

4. "Tenure and future glory spark the need for "Deviant Research at Area College," Read the headline in the local paper. I was always up for deviance and called the Writer of the story, Ms. Farleigh Goodpuss. "

This is the Author's Hang Out folks, come up with a good story the covers the hall with.... Well what ever.

Instead of yelling about the "Big Pharma", "The Creeping Eastern Establishment Conspiracy", or "Big Brother" running our lives.

Write, Write, Write!
Put a shot across their bows and let the "(insert paranoia here) see that there is at least one brave and lusty soul who will not stand for such shit!

As long as one College Stands up for "Sex Drugs and Rock and Roll" the American way is not lost, covered in the "Multi-curtualisim" of the left wing pansies’.

I'll bet that each of you could write a 750 to 1,000 (or more) word story about (your fav Paranoid Fantasy) that would make your points a lot more fun.

 

[AllardChardon]

"Put a shot across their bow." Oh I love a man that can write.

That was a great response. If I were not so busy dawdling around and avoiding submitting my first humorous historical erotica novel to Kensington, I just might take up that challenge.

 

[JackLuis]

"Put a shot across their bow." Oh I love a man that can write.

That was a great response. If I were not so busy dawdling around and avoiding submitting my first humorous historical erotica novel to Kensington, I just might take up that challenge.

Humourous Historical Erotica? Now that sounds like fun.

Mebby: Richard Nixon trying to get laid w/o Pat finding out about his alternate Persona of Submissive crossdressing with J. Edger Hoover in the National Archives with the Democratic Cacus?

Or was it the Republican Congressional Cacus?