Pilgrims & Indians...

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… or in politically correct speech:

“Disease Infested European Butchers and Victimized First Americans”​

My favorite holiday is Thanksgiving. I like it because I get to bake stuff and share it with family, catch up on family news (often we are a wide-spread lot), and it’s not religious. Also, there’s lots of left-overs for sandwiches, football and yes, a moment for the expression of gratitude (to God or the fates or whatever), and it usually meant a four (4) day vacation from school. Yessss !!!!

However, the nut-jobs here in California (and probably other places similarly situated) have decided that, like all traditional American holidays, Turkey Day ought not be celebrated in the politically incorrect manner: having little kids dress up in costumes made of poster paper with half being Pilgrims and half being Indians.

Claremont parents at odds over
proper dress for Thanksgiving feast​

By Wes Woods II, Staff Writer​
Created: 11/21/2008 09:45:58 PM PST


CLAREMONT - Audience members at the school board meeting argued among themselves about whether elementary school students should dress in costume for a Thanksgiving feast.

"The Thanksgiving story has been disproved (sic) as a myth," parent Diana Linden told the Claremont Unified school board on Thursday night.

The board meeting - held for the first time in new district offices at 170 W. San Jose Ave. - was packed with opinionated people on both sides of the issue.
The audience cheered loudest for speakers in favor of having the feast in costume.

One parent told the school board not to be "wimps" about the issue or simply cancel every holiday.

Parent Stephanie Wilbur, who said she was of Yaki Indian descent and in favor of having the costumes this year, noted that her grandmother did wear feathers and "terrible things happen to people ... it's part of what America is."

But parent Michelle Raheja, whose mother is a Seneca Indian, was angered at what she saw as "racist stereotypes" and said "it's wrong to dress up as a Native American."

At the conclusion of the nearly three-hour meeting, Superintendent David Cash said Condit and Mountain View elementary schools had tentatively decided to have the feast but not dress in costume. * * * *


http://www.dailybulletin.com/ci_11047198?source=most_viewed

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As for The First Thanksgiving:

It is not a myth, irrespective of the wanabe authoritarian secular progressive slack-jaw blow-hards. In fact, here is the likely menu:

The Pilgrims' Menu

Seafood: Cod, Eel, Clams, Lobster
Wild Fowl: Wild Turkey, Goose, Duck, Crane, Swan, Partridge, Eagles
Meat: Venison, Seal
Grain: Wheat Flour, Indian Corn
Vegetables: Pumpkin, Peas, Beans, Onions, Lettuce, Radishes, Carrots
Fruit: Plums, Grapes
Nuts: Walnuts, Chestnuts, Acorns
Herbs and Seasonings: Olive Oil, Liverwort, Leeks, Dried Currants, Parsnips
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Not:
Surprisingly, the following foods, all considered staples of the modern Thanksgiving meal, didn't appear on the pilgrims's first feast table:
Ham: There is no evidence that the colonists had butchered a pig by this time, though they had brought pigs with them from England.

Sweet Potatoes/Potatoes: These were not common.

Corn on the Cob: Corn was kept dried out at this time of year.

Cranberry Sauce: The colonists had cranberries but no sugar at this time.

Pumpkin Pie: It's not a recipe that exists at this point, though the pilgrims had recipes for stewed pumpkin.

Chicken/Eggs: We know that the colonists brought hens with them from England, but it's unknown how many they had left at this point or whether the hens were still laying.

Milk: No cows had been aboard the Mayflower, though it's possible that the colonists used goat milk to make cheese.

Source: Kathleen Curtin, Food Historian at Plimoth Plantation.


= = = = = = = =

Video from The History Channel regarding the holiday:

http://link.history.com/services/link/bcpid1902518783/bclid1672079702/bctid1586348651
 
I'm thankful the US Constitution is actually based on Tribal Law. (Specifically the Iriquois tribe "Great Law of Peace" document.

:cool:
 
… or in politically correct speech:

“Disease Infested European Butchers and Victimized First Americans”​

My favorite holiday is Thanksgiving. I like it because I get to bake stuff and share it with family, catch up on family news (often we are a wide-spread lot), and it’s not religious. Also, there’s lots of left-overs for sandwiches, football and yes, a moment for the expression of gratitude (to God or the fates or whatever), and it usually meant a four (4) day vacation from school. Yessss !!!!

However, the nut-jobs here in California (and probably other places similarly situated) have decided that, like all traditional American holidays, Turkey Day ought not be celebrated in the politically incorrect manner: having little kids dress up in costumes made of poster paper with half being Pilgrims and half being Indians.

I like a man in touch with his feminine side.
 
… or in politically correct speech:

“Disease Infested European Butchers and Victimized First Americans”​

My favorite holiday is Thanksgiving. I like it because I get to bake stuff and share it with family, catch up on family news (often we are a wide-spread lot), and it’s not religious. Also, there’s lots of left-overs for sandwiches, football and yes, a moment for the expression of gratitude (to God or the fates or whatever), and it usually meant a four (4) day vacation from school. Yessss !!!!

However, the nut-jobs here in California (and probably other places similarly situated) have decided that, like all traditional American holidays, Turkey Day ought not be celebrated in the politically incorrect manner: having little kids dress up in costumes made of poster paper with half being Pilgrims and half being Indians.

Claremont parents at odds over
proper dress for Thanksgiving feast​

By Wes Woods II, Staff Writer​
Created: 11/21/2008 09:45:58 PM PST


Karen:

To address all the assholes in the U.S., we should dress as automatons and have tofukey for uhmmm... "Thanksgiving" WTF
 
It's a great traditional holiday that brings family together without requiring huge amounts of alcohol. It does require good food and good fun. Fuck anything else.

Oh, an if we shouldn't dress as American Indians should we also not dress as French artists or Bavarian Gypsies?
 
It's a great traditional holiday that brings family together without requiring huge amounts of alcohol. It does require good food and good fun. Fuck anything else.

Oh, an if we shouldn't dress as American Indians should we also not dress as French artists or Bavarian Gypsies?

Or tree huggers.
 
Oh, an if we shouldn't dress as American Indians should we also not dress as French artists or Bavarian Gypsies?

Bollicky bareass is the only way you can dress without offending someone..

Get with the program, Slowlane....:)
 
People still dress up in that shit? Why not just get real Indians to show up? If that's offensive (or not) I think you have your answer.
 
… or in politically correct speech:

“Disease Infested European Butchers and Victimized First Americans”​

My favorite holiday is Thanksgiving. I like it because I get to bake stuff and share it with family, catch up on family news (often we are a wide-spread lot), and it’s not religious. Also, there’s lots of left-overs for sandwiches, football and yes, a moment for the expression of gratitude (to God or the fates or whatever), and it usually meant a four (4) day vacation from school. Yessss !!!!

However, the nut-jobs here in California (and probably other places similarly situated) have decided that, like all traditional American holidays, Turkey Day ought not be celebrated in the politically incorrect manner: having little kids dress up in costumes made of poster paper with half being Pilgrims and half being Indians.

Claremont parents at odds over
proper dress for Thanksgiving feast​

By Wes Woods II, Staff Writer​
Created: 11/21/2008 09:45:58 PM PST


CLAREMONT - Audience members at the school board meeting argued among themselves about whether elementary school students should dress in costume for a Thanksgiving feast.

"The Thanksgiving story has been disproved (sic) as a myth," parent Diana Linden told the Claremont Unified school board on Thursday night.

The board meeting - held for the first time in new district offices at 170 W. San Jose Ave. - was packed with opinionated people on both sides of the issue.
The audience cheered loudest for speakers in favor of having the feast in costume.

One parent told the school board not to be "wimps" about the issue or simply cancel every holiday.

Parent Stephanie Wilbur, who said she was of Yaki Indian descent and in favor of having the costumes this year, noted that her grandmother did wear feathers and "terrible things happen to people ... it's part of what America is."

But parent Michelle Raheja, whose mother is a Seneca Indian, was angered at what she saw as "racist stereotypes" and said "it's wrong to dress up as a Native American."

At the conclusion of the nearly three-hour meeting, Superintendent David Cash said Condit and Mountain View elementary schools had tentatively decided to have the feast but not dress in costume. * * * *


http://www.dailybulletin.com/ci_11047198?source=most_viewed

_ _ _ _

As for The First Thanksgiving:

It is not a myth, irrespective of the wanabe authoritarian secular progressive slack-jaw blow-hards. In fact, here is the likely menu:

The Pilgrims' Menu

Seafood: Cod, Eel, Clams, Lobster
Wild Fowl: Wild Turkey, Goose, Duck, Crane, Swan, Partridge, Eagles
Meat: Venison, Seal
Grain: Wheat Flour, Indian Corn
Vegetables: Pumpkin, Peas, Beans, Onions, Lettuce, Radishes, Carrots
Fruit: Plums, Grapes
Nuts: Walnuts, Chestnuts, Acorns
Herbs and Seasonings: Olive Oil, Liverwort, Leeks, Dried Currants, Parsnips
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Not:
Surprisingly, the following foods, all considered staples of the modern Thanksgiving meal, didn't appear on the pilgrims's first feast table:
Ham: There is no evidence that the colonists had butchered a pig by this time, though they had brought pigs with them from England.

Sweet Potatoes/Potatoes: These were not common.

Corn on the Cob: Corn was kept dried out at this time of year.

Cranberry Sauce: The colonists had cranberries but no sugar at this time.

Pumpkin Pie: It's not a recipe that exists at this point, though the pilgrims had recipes for stewed pumpkin.

Chicken/Eggs: We know that the colonists brought hens with them from England, but it's unknown how many they had left at this point or whether the hens were still laying.

Milk: No cows had been aboard the Mayflower, though it's possible that the colonists used goat milk to make cheese.

Source: Kathleen Curtin, Food Historian at Plimoth Plantation.


= = = = = = = =

Video from The History Channel regarding the holiday:

http://link.history.com/services/link/bcpid1902518783/bclid1672079702/bctid1586348651


What exactly is your point?
 
Yeah - we're having thanksgiving at my sister's and I asked - where are we going to smoke pot this year? :D

God, you have a cool family. Mine (on my Mom's side) would probably call the cops if they saw me with pot... and they threaten to do so anyway, if they believe I'm high. Which is yet another reason I almost never see them.

I'm not doing anything for Thanksgiving, this year. We won't have the kidlet, we're not seeing my family, and his parents aren't driving up for another month. We'll probably end up watching football drunk.
 
God, you have a cool family. Mine (on my Mom's side) would probably call the cops if they saw me with pot... and they threaten to do so anyway, if they believe I'm high. Which is yet another reason I almost never see them.

I'm not doing anything for Thanksgiving, this year. We won't have the kidlet, we're not seeing my family, and his parents aren't driving up for another month. We'll probably end up watching football drunk.

Well we still 'hide' it from the parents. My other sister had a garage which we called the smokers place. I'm pretty sure my parents at least guess at this point that we might be smoking something other than cigarettes out there.... But this sister has no garage but she does have a basement.

You should come party with us! lol :D
 
What exactly is your point?

Who, me?

Oh.

Ummm..... my point was that I like Thanksgiving as a holiday for several reasons. I thought the deal with the PC crap down in Claremont was just that, and... let's see.... oh: and I thought it was interesting about the way we celebrate the feast now as compared with the way they say it was celebrated back then... and the whole video about Lincoln and FDR was also interesting.


But cha-know.... there are a lot of other threads with more interesting topics if you prefer.

;)
 
Bollicky bareass is the only way you can dress without offending someone..

Get with the program, Slowlane....:)

When I was still young enough to run around bare-assed (without drawing ridicule) We could dress however we wanted.

The world always seems to run backward.
 
Scholls SHOULD be teaching about how the US Constitution was based on Native Tribal Law.
 
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