Obama's Agenda (political, of course)

[DesertPirate]

Of course the fact that Obama started saying it was an income of $500,000 a year to be rich and it has now dropped below $250,000 has nothing to do with it.
He can't go below $200,000 because it would effcet everyCongresscritter and we know that will never happen.

Simple fact, his steal from the rich plan has fallen apart because there are a lot fewer rich than a month ago.
There is also not enough money to pay for his nanny state programs unless he has a vast amount printed. Welome to the Carter years.

Dems sure get a lot of mileage for helping the poor at subsistance levels. They never give more than that so they can say "I know it's tough but we are the ones helping". The Dems want to keep them there and not get them above that level because they might not want to give the Govt. money.

 

[epiphany65]

Of course the fact that Obama started saying it was an income of $500,000 a year to be rich and it has now dropped below $250,000 has nothing to do with it.
He can't go below $200,000 because it would effcet everyCongresscritter and we know that will never happen.

Simple fact, his steal from the rich plan has fallen apart because there are a lot fewer rich than a month ago.
There is also not enough money to pay for his nanny state programs unless he has a vast amount printed. Welome to the Carter years.

Dems sure get a lot of mileage for helping the poor at subsistance levels. They never give more than that so they can say "I know it's tough but we are the ones helping". The Dems want to keep them there and not get them above that level because they might not want to give the Govt. money.

So, are you suggesting that the gov't should give more to poor people than they already do? That's admirable and I agree with that, but it sounds like a nanny state to me.

 

[Shwenn]

It like how some people scream "terrorist" at anyone who doesn't agree with Bush's policies. ANY of Bush's policies; doesn't have to his policy on actual terrorism. And I am SO SICK OF IT.

Remember when Rod Paige called the National Education Association a terrorist organization?

Remember that?

 

[Selena_Kitt]

I wanna tickle your pumpkin.

 

[DeeZire]

..Even if this charge made any sense, which it doesn't, how does a person make the leap in logic that Obama is some kind of socialist/Muslim time-bomb?

They invoke their right to ignorance. It's what being an American is all about.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

The NEA is a division of Special Olympics.

 

[DesertPirate]

So, are you suggesting that the gov't should give more to poor people than they already do? That's admirable and I agree with that, but it sounds like a nanny state to me.

No but it should be workfare not welfare. Show them a way out instead of holding them down.That's all todays system does is hold them down.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

No but it should be workfare not welfare. Show them a way out instead of holding them down.That's all todays system does is hold them down.

What's the difference between corporate welfare and tax welfare to the middle class?

Lipstick!?

 

[DesertPirate]

Remember when Rod Paige called the National Education Association a terrorist organization?

Remember that?

Sadly the NEA is what's wrong with education. Conning every state to require an "Education" degree to teach. When my Mom taught 8th and 9th Home Ec, teachers had a degree in the subject taught, not an "education" degree. All they did was establish another fiefdom at each University called the "College of Education" and lower the standards for 30 years.

 

[Shwenn]

Sadly the NEA is what's wrong with education. Conning every state to require an "Education" degree to teach. When my Mom taught 8th and 9th Home Ec, teachers had a degree in the subject taught, not an "education" degree. All they did was establish another fiefdom at each University called the "College of Education" and lower the standards for 30 years.

And that makes them terrorists how?

 

[epiphany65]

No but it should be workfare not welfare. Show them a way out instead of holding them down.That's all todays system does is hold them down.

I tend to agree with you, except that programs like workfare have been tried in places and proven to be ineffective. In Ontario there were some people who actually lost their jobs because they were replaced by people who had been drawing welfare and were part of the workfare program. These workers ended up on welfare themselves. All this program does is give with one hand and take with another and it does not address those with physical or mental disabilities who have a legitimate reason for not being able to work -- no matter how willing they may be.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

DP

Youre right.

Engineering schools dont re-invent their science; a post remains a post, and a beam remains a beam, regardless of what follows them.

But teacher schools take their stuff, put it in a bag, shake it up, dump it out, and exclaim Voila! WE HAVE A BREAKTHRU!

 

[DesertPirate]

And that makes them terrorists how?

It doesn't, it just makes them stupid. Look at what they have done to education in the public schools.

 

[DesertPirate]

What's the difference between corporate welfare and tax welfare to the middle class?

Lipstick!?

I have not supported the bailout at all. It's a free market let em fail, prosecute those that deserve it, including the Congresscritters involved like Barney Frank, who's lover made a fortune.
Put every public figure who got a sweetheart loan from Countrywide, Fannie, or Freddie in jail for fraud.

 

[sweetness6280]

Handing out cash to people who refuse to work is not socialism either.

It's kind of communism, in a roundabout way.

I know, hon. I really didn't mean to imply that it was. Those statements were not intended to be together, but I just got too irritated double check it. Thanks for catching it.

 

[3113]

Yeah but a hell of boxlicker. We all have our strong points.

He does know how to wag his tongue. I just wish he'd lick a different box.

 

[3113]

Ahh, the "The other guy did it, so it's ok for Obama to do it even more" argument.

Quite right! Just because it's okay for McCain to be a socialist and argue that the wealthy should pay more doesn't mean it's okay for Obama to do that!

Oh...I'm sorry, Box, didn't you know? McCain's a socialist too. I hope you're going to give him your little --><-- face now. He really deserves it as he's been arguing for such things since 2000....

McCain the Socialist

 

[Boxlicker101]

He does know how to wag his tongue. I just wish he'd lick a different box.

How about yours?

 

[Katyusha]

Remember when Rod Paige called the National Education Association a terrorist organization?

Remember that?

Yes. Because the NEA balked at No Child Left Behind. That really made my stomach sick.

Now, if the NEA had started bombing schools in districts that embraced No Child Left Behind, that would have been a much different story.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Quite right! Just because it's okay for McCain to be a socialist and argue that the wealthy should pay more doesn't mean it's okay for Obama to do that!

Oh...I'm sorry, Box, didn't you know? McCain's a socialist too. I hope you're going to give him your little --><-- face now. He really deserves it as he's been arguing for such things since 2000....

McCain the Socialist

This is an extreme example of quoting out of context. The Daily Kos takes a bunch of second-long sound bites and puts them together as if they meant something. You could pobably do that with just anybody. If you put together the right ones, you could have Obama saying things such as: "I am a Marxist" or "I am a Muslim" or just about anything you wanted him to appear to be saying. This may be a new low, even for the Kos, but probably not.

Most people favor some kind of progressive income tax. Obama favors a much higher rate on those with high incomes, and little or no taxes for those with low or moderate incomes. McCain favors progressive taxes more like we have now. Personally, I don't think either plan is workable in the curent situation.

There is a poblem with soaking the rich. Above a certain level, it no longer does any good to make more money. Why should people bust their asses when all it means is paying more money to the IRS. Everybody knows better than to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs, but even crippling the goose will cut down on the flow of eggs.

 

[Boxlicker101]

And it's not going to change their vote unless they're pretty much divorced from reality.

Even if this charge made any sense, which it doesn't, how does a person make the leap in logic that Obama is some kind of socialist/Muslim time-bomb?

I think this is the first time on this thread that anybody has even mentioned "Muslim."

 

[Boxlicker101]

I find it telling (and hilarious) that the people screaming, "Socialism!" the loudest are the very people that don't even know what socialism is.

English is a living language, and meanings constantly change. What that means is that words mean what most people peceive them to mean. At one time, Socialism may have meant government (or community) ownership. However, the meaning has, by now, come to mean something more than that.

 

[epiphany65]

English is a living language, and meanings constantly change. What that means is that words mean what most people peceive them to mean. At one time, Socialism may have meant government (or community) ownership. However, the meaning has, by now, come to mean something more than that.

Yes, but I would add that even socialists can't agree on a definition. It means different things to different people, depending on how far left they are. Used by the right, it's a watch word used to invoke fear -- like "Communism", "terrorist" or "Un-American".

 

[Stella_Omega]

There is a poblem with soaking the rich. Above a certain level, it no longer does any good to make more money. Why should people bust their asses when all it means is paying more money to the IRS. Everybody knows better than to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs, but even crippling the goose will cut down on the flow of eggs.

I.... See.

What level is that?

 

[Boxlicker101]

I.... See.

What level is that?

It varies from one person to another.