teacher/student clichés

[Jagged]

clichés

Well the problem is that people continue to do exactly the same thing over and over instead of looking at an old plot in a new way. Go in different directions with things...have good back stories and other things going on around the principals.

For example there have been a million stories about invaders from Mars, but each time an author approaches the topic they add something new. It is all in how you repackage something.

 

[LusciousLoralie]

I watched an admittedly quite weird German movie called "Atomised" recently - there you have a student teacher scene (high school), which is really powerful. The teacher fantasizes about her, even cums over one of her papers (told you it's a tad weird - the paper is about sexuality though) and then eventually gives it back to her after she stays behind in class. There he tries to touch her, roaming up her leg. First she lets him a little, but then she takes his hand and moves it away. He goes on and takes his cock out, but despite being freaked out, she just tells him that she is leaving, gets up and goes. He gets himself committed into a mental institution after that.

What makes it so powerful is her reaction really, because you see that she really likes him, but of course not in that way and that she handles his overstepping of boundaries and basically abusing the trust and admiration she has for him well and still befitting her age and character. It actually causes him to realise that there is something seriously wrong with him.

What I wanted to say with this is that even with those clichés, you can create powerful and conflict-laden stories (Munachi's contest entry "I put a spell on you" is actually another good example), if you put some thought into it.

I LOVE weird movies like that. Anything thats deals with taboo sexuality and is not released in theaters. Like "Palindromes".

 

[LusciousLoralie]

One cliché I've noticed is the female student stereotype. As if they are only three types of girls that have sex with their teachers.

1) The Slut: most common. The girl who shows cleavage, wears make up and usually has a thong on under her skirt. She'll do obviously "slutty" things like lick her lips, wink, cross and uncross her legs. The teacher is always fantisizing about fucking her. he knows that she's done at least half the boys in school. If she has an attitude, then he'll "teach her a lesson", often by spanking her or forcing her to give him a blowjob.

2) The Idiot: probably the silliest and most fun to write. She's not actually stupid. She's just oblivious the her dirty old teacher is wanting to screw her like he's the Big Bad Wolf. No doubt her grades are slipping and she'll do anything to raise them, not thinking that that would involve using her body. She is shocked at the proposal but ALWAYS ends up loving it.

3)The Loser: more prominent in film than in literature. Also the one I find most interesting. Her grades can either be good or bad, its doesn't matter. Her parents are probably divorced, she has little or no friends, maybe someone she knows just died or is in prison. Shes not an absolute prude but socially she is the opposite of the slut. Her emotional vulnerability makes her easy sexual prey to anyone with authority or offering guidance. Shes lonely a lot and somehow just wants a nice warm cock to suck.

I would like to know: what made The Slut so slutty? Why is The Idiot always so naive yet eager to please? How many men are actually attracted to The Loser type?

 

[Munachi]

I LOVE weird movies like that. Anything thats deals with taboo sexuality and is not released in theaters. Like "Palindromes".

oh but if he meant the movie i think he meant, it was released in theatres here... i saw it in a theatre... but i guess what is in theatres also varies by country...

 

[past_perfect]

I mean this one: Atomised

Atomised was the UK title, the US title is apparently "Elementary Particles".

Am going to watch Palindromes soon, sounds intriguing.

 

[Samuel667]

whats in every story that you are sick of seeing?

I'm so tired of Person X walking in on Person Y masturbating and/or changing clothes and that leads to sex between the two of them. This situation just leads me to believe the author couldn't really come up with a convincing enough reason for the two people to get it on other than mere, raw sex drives. While this has it's place, this is definitely a cliched way of bringing these emotions out.

 

[LusciousLoralie]

I'm so tired of Person X walking in on Person Y masturbating and/or changing clothes and that leads to sex between the two of them. This situation just leads me to believe the author couldn't really come up with a convincing enough reason for the two people to get it on other than mere, raw sex drives. While this has it's place, this is definitely a cliched way of bringing these emotions out.

I think that it is most often used in the brother sister incest type stories. I also think it is uncreative.

 

[LusciousLoralie]

oh but if he meant the movie i think he meant, it was released in theatres here... i saw it in a theatre... but i guess what is in theatres also varies by country...

Or city. I live in a fairly small town and some things are never released here.

 

[DeepInsideYou]

My story

OK critics let me know whether I have completely failed to muster anything original in this area of cliché!!!

http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=386674
Teacher-student Forced Sex

Any views would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

 

[Munachi]

Or city. I live in a fairly small town and some things are never released here.

yeah i guess i am lucky in that respect - i live in a big city with a lot of alternative cinemas showing all kinds of unknown movies... now if i just had the money to actually go there regularly...

 

[Tanuki]

OK critics let me know whether I have completely failed to muster anything original in this area of cliché!!!

http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=386674
Teacher-student Forced Sex

Any views would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

well it's pretty good - I read the whole thing, which for me means a lot cause i have a short attention span.

I'd want to see more of Suzy's responses, have her speak more, since it's hard for me to imagine she enduring all that without saying or doing much. And there's so many cliches describing the sex act - well they're not cliches, I've never heard many of them, but it just seemed like an over-the-top encyclopedia of sex expressions. Good learning experience for me then.

 

[DeepInsideYou]

Understand you on both points, it would probably be good to include more of her side of the story. Would still want to keep it focussed on him mind you. Also I did go a little bit overboard in use of ranging sexual descriptions, a crescendo of them at the end as he really loses touch with reality.

Thanks for the helpful feedback and for checking it out

 

[LusciousLoralie]

the best parts were "pumping river of hot man filth" and "semen rich cum "

 

[LusciousLoralie]

that's the kinda thing I'm thinking about doing . . . . or writing about anyway.

Yes, I'm quoting myself.

Basically she (the student) wants it desperately more than he (the teacher) does. She vigilantly tries to convince him till one back he breaks down and agrees. They don't just fuck right away. They just start kissing and everytime it builds from there. After a while he's just as into it as she is, if not much much more. Very intimate things happens between them until he needs absolutely no convincing to finally get in bed with her.

I'm hoping to have this be quite a few chapters long. It would also be nice to have a co-author.

 

[Kikori]

Though I enjoy the idea of it with costumes and in person, most roles that could be played with simple costumes (nurse-patient, maid-employer, etc) are usually extremely boring.

The best I've seen actually involved a story that involved two lesbians and playing with each others' bums. That's the only one that applied a 'nurse' well because it wasn't puns and vanilla sex, it was actually interesting.

There's not really much I "can't stand" about the stories except the English itself. My trouble's finding a story that focuses on a certain fetish, but that's an issue of people writing diversely. Boring stories that could be interesting are the biggest turn-off in stories.

EDIT:

One cliché I've noticed is the female student stereotype. As if they are only three types of girls that have sex with their teachers.

That makes me want to write a story with a female student that actually fits none of the three stereotypes.

 

[LusciousLoralie]

That makes me want to write a story with a female student that actually fits none of the three stereotypes.

me too

 

[Kikori]

Currently I'm working on a mother-son one. If I don't go back to any other stories I'll get started on the student one next. ^_^

 

[SimonBrooke]

OK, such a lot to reply to here...

whats in every story that you are sick of seeing?

The professor/student. teacher/pupil story is common here for several reasons. It's something that happens in real life, frequently - probably much more frequently than anyone admits. It's also something which is taboo, transgressive of social norms - like incest, BDSM, non consent. Transgressive sex pushes a lot of people's buttons. There are real life drivers to it, too - classrooms are places where young people just beginning to explore their sexuality are under the authority of a more mature, more experienced person. Finally, it's a situation - the classroom - which all of us have experienced, all of us can relate to. All of us can imagine it, because we've all been there.

When I was growing up there was a PE teacher at a local school - not the school I went to, but one a lot of friends did - who was well known among the kids as a serial seducer of pupils. The year the scandal broke publicly - which was five years after I'd left school, so he'd been doing it a while - it broke because he'd got three girls pregnant in the same year. So those girls definitely knew what they were getting into - but as far as I know none of the girls complained.

One cliché I've noticed is the female student stereotype. As if they are only three types of girls that have sex with their teachers.

1) The Slut: most common...

2) The Idiot: probably the silliest ...

3)The Loser: more prominent in film than in literature. Also the one I find most interesting. ..

At university, both as a student and later as an academic, I knew many student/lecturer relationships. I know of two cases of very able, very attractive female students deliberately (and successfully) seducing married lecturers. These definitely were not women who were looking for grades - neither of them needed to - and definitely were not 'sluts', 'losers' or 'idiots'. In both cases, if I'd been the person targetted, I would definitely have succumbed - both of them were really interesting, intelligent, sexy women.

Finally, yes, of course it's a cliche. My novella Pornstar is partly about it, But that does not prevent it being the subject of some extraordinarily good stories. There are only so many plots in fiction; it's not which plot you choose, but what you do with it, that counts. As Jagged says:

clichés

Well the problem is that people continue to do exactly the same thing over and over instead of looking at an old plot in a new way. Go in different directions with things...have good back stories and other things going on around the principals.

For example there have been a million stories about invaders from Mars, but each time an author approaches the topic they add something new. It is all in how you repackage something.

 

[LusciousLoralie]

When I was growing up there was a PE teacher at a local school - not the school I went to, but one a lot of friends did - who was well known among the kids as a serial seducer of pupils. The year the scandal broke publicly - which was five years after I'd left school, so he'd been doing it a while - it broke because he'd got three girls pregnant in the same year. So those girls definitely knew what they were getting into - but as far as I know none of the girls complained.

OMG! Thats hilarious AND has the potential to be a wicked hot story.

 

[LusciousLoralie]

At university, both as a student and later as an academic, I knew many student/lecturer relationships. I know of two cases of very able, very attractive female students deliberately (and successfully) seducing married lecturers. These definitely were not women who were looking for grades - neither of them needed to - and definitely were not 'sluts', 'losers' or 'idiots'. In both cases, if I'd been the person targeted, I would definitely have succumbed - both of them were really interesting, intelligent, sexy women.

Finally, yes, of course it's a cliche. My novella Pornstar is partly about it, But that does not prevent it being the subject of some extraordinarily good stories. There are only so many plots in fiction; it's not which plot you choose, but what you do with it, that counts.

Obviously there are tons of other kinds of people (men & woman) who do have sex with their teachers, professors, deans, principals, and what have you. Those are just the three stereotypes that I feel I always encounter on this website, or while watching a porn, or even a regular movie.

A story can be filled to the brim with clichés and that doesn't make it instantly horrible. Its how people rely on those clichés to tell their stories and make it so cookie-cutter; often very cheesy & unrealistic. I'm asking people because I want to attempt to do something fresh.

 

[SimonBrooke]

A story can be filled to the brim with clichés and that doesn't make it instantly horrible. Its how people rely on those clichés to tell their stories and make it so cookie-cutter; often very cheesy & unrealistic. I'm asking people because I want to attempt to do something fresh.

The thing about Literotica - love it or hate it - is there's a very low barrier to entry. There are some superb stories here, but you have to find them, and the scoring system does not particularly reward literary merit... Yes, there are a lot of crap stories.

For what it's worth, here's the bones of a story which I've had sitting waiting to be written for about ten years, and which I've never really fleshed out. It is using this general story area, but I don't think it's cliched.

A is a bright, innocent, female first year student from an ethnic/cultural group with very strict views on sex outside marriage.

B (the viewpoint character) is a more worldly female student, in her second or third year. She's bisexual, sexually experienced, and fancies both A and C.

C is a male lecturer who teaches one of A's first-year courses - one that B had done well in in her own first year.

B tries to persuade A to go to a social event. A doesn't really want to go, and, when B comes round on the evening of the event to take her, says she can't go because she hasn't finished an essay. B says that she got really good marks for that essay, and, as A changes in the room with her, quickly merges bits from her own successful essay into A's draft. B and A go to the social event, but, to B's disappointment, she fails to seduce A.

A few days later both A and B get a 'see me in my office' note from C. B realises they've been detected in plagiarism, has a powerful fantasy about C blackmailing them with expulsion and forcing them to have threesome sex with him - in B's fantasy, A doesn't consent and B has to hold her down while C rapes her. B is intensely turned on by this fantasy.

Before the appointment B dresses in her most provocative clothes and buys a box of condoms. She arrives at C's office to find A is there before her. C is lecturing A sternly about plagiarism, but would probably have left it at that, but B still has her fantasy running in her head and makes it obvious to C she's trying to buy him off with sex. C gets angry (because tempted) and tells them to leave, and that they'll hear from the Dean later.

That evening B goes to C's house to apologise, and beg that A be forgiven. She's dressed deliberately unsexily, and she's left the condoms behind. When she gets there she finds A is again there ahead of her; A is pleading that B should be forgiven. The three of them talk, frankly, about what has happened, over a bottle of wine. It gets late. Without really understanding how it's happened B finds herself in C's bed with both A and C. She does hold A while C deflowers her, but in a very gentle, tender way that's completely different from her fantasy. C then has sex with B while A and B kiss - again, gentle and tender, not like the much stronger sex in her fantasy, but very satisfactory.

B wakes up much later, watches the other two sleep, realises she had not brought the condoms, realises she may be pregnant or infected, realises she doesn't care.

 

[SimonBrooke]

OK critics let me know whether I have completely failed to muster anything original in this area of cliché!!!

http://www.literotica.com/stories/showstory.php?id=386674
Teacher-student Forced Sex

Any views would be greatly appreciated.

Can I start by saying, you really could do with a careful proof read? We all make typos, there's no shame in it, but it helps to clean them up before you submit. The volunteer editor programme might well help you here.

Second, I understand what you're trying to do, and I applaud your courage in trying to present an unsympathetic POV character. And you succeed in making him deeply unsympathetic - the manipulative act of setting her up as a thief is sharply unsympathetic even in a character we know is a rapist. But I had trouble with the story, and it's around that issue, I think. Loralie's commented on phrases like 'hot man filth'... for me, these are redolent of the sleaziest and least pleasant stories on this site. If you're trying to tell us that these are the terms in which your POV character thinks about his victim, then that would be a powerful thing to do, but it doesn't quite work for me; the language reads too much like the language of misogynist porn.

It may be that you're struggling with your own attitudes here - that you feel the attraction of the misogynist rape fantasy (and I admit, so can I) but at the same time are wanting to reject them.

I don't think this story works as it stands - at least, not for me. There's the bones of an excellent story there. But I think that to make the 'unsympathetic narrator' work you have to persuade the reader to ride along with him a bit more, to feel complicit, to feel that in the same circumstances the reader too could have behaved as the narrator does - there but for the grace of God'.... And for me, the manipulation even more than the misogyny stopped my riding along with him. He's too blatantly mean too early, before the reader has made a commitment to the story. And his misogyny is too crudely expressed - for me, anyway. I'm not saying I can't get off on rape stories. I can - rather too easily for my own comfort. But you have to take me along with your character, make me understand hid motives and his drives... and I didn't really, here.

Basically, what I'm saying is that, to give the story a more powerful kick, you need to make him less unsympathetic at least at first, and you have to make her more characterful so that the reader can understand and feel the narrator's erotic attraction. As it is, she's bland.

 

[LusciousLoralie]

I agree

 

[LOAnnie2]

"My Scholarship"
"Keeping on the Team"

Both available on this site

 

[LusciousLoralie]

"My Scholarship"
"Keeping on the Team"

Both available on this site

are they good or full of clichés?