Response and Comments to Amicus and his dislike of all minorities:

[Selena_Kitt]

AMICUS is the road you didnt take; I'm more like the path to Hell.

OMG they're fighting over who's worse, now?

 

[rgraham666]

Of course.

There can be only one!

 

[Selena_Kitt]

Of course.

There can be only one!

Crap! There goes my raspberry tea!

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

SR71PLT

Tallahassee was certainly filled with Eppes and Randolphs in the 1820s. Randolph is a common name on my Johnson line, and most of my lines are from Virginia. I know that Thomas Randolph was the US Marshal for Tallahassee in the 1820s, and he was a grandson of Jefferson.

Here's one of the problems: You cant always believe what you read in the old newspapers.

A famous Florida gunfight occurred between my ancestor George Taliaferro Ward and a Militia Captain named Augustus Alston, back in 1836 at Tallahassee. There are maybe 4 versions of this event, and all of them are different in significant ways. None of the eye-witness accounts jive with each other.

So I spent years collecting primary and secondary and collateral facts about the gunfight, and cobbled together a plausible story thats as dramatic as the various versions, but different in important ways. I have West Point official records, I have the finding of an Army board of enquiry, I have a diary of an army officer who witnessed what happened, I have a letter Ward's family sent to kin in Virginia, etc. I uncovered some surprises that werent common knowledge in Tallahassee.

Another mystery I'm working on is a claim that Emperor Napoleon III came to Tallahassee while in exile. His cousin Prince Achille Murat lived at Tallahassee then (Murat was a 2nd in the Ward-Alston duel), and there were plenty of French immigrants at Tallahassee. One said she saw him with Murat.

 

[sr71plt]

Here's one of the problems: You cant always believe what you read in the old newspapers.

No, actually, living in the Jefferson heartland, having gone to and being connected with Jefferson's university, and living within sight of Monticello, I probably know enough about the topic of Jefferson not be be bamboozled by you (and I probably know enough about it to choke a horse and make me want to run out of Albemarle Country screaming from time to time).

Your problem (or one of them) is that you tend to make it up as you go along and, like amicus, you state a falsehood of something incomplete as fact and build your house of cards on that.

 

[Sweet_Madness]

Let's end this

Dear Amicus,

LOL you're a fag and your shit's all retarded.

Love,

Sweet_Madness

Dear Elizabetht,

Your post was wise, and intelligent, and thought out. However, Amicus is clearly a troll, and not a good one at that. He's got the crazy, he's got the stupid, but his attacks are simply too lazy in the end. A good troll would bother to memorize one or two actual facts to throw in between his hateful rants, not simply sprout off a bunch of old ass sterotypes like he was the first person to make them up. At the end of the day I would give him only a 2 out of 10 (try harder next time, douchebag). Someone as clever (and pretty) as you shouldn't lower yourself to his level by responding intelligently to some hateful old man trying to look cool on the internet.

Sweet_Madness

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Of course.

There can be only one!

Thanks. I needed a good laugh after the absolute buzzkill that is Amicus.

 

[sweetness6280]

Of course.

There can be only one!

Crap! There goes my raspberry tea!

And my 7up!

 

[Safe_Bet]

Of course.

There can be only one!

Crap! There goes my raspberry tea!

And my 7up!

Coffee.

 

[Guest]

Of course.

There can be only one!

Dammit Rob do you know how hard it is to get marinara sauce off a laptop keyboard. sheesh

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Dammit Rob do you know how hard it is to get marinara sauce off a laptop keyboard. sheesh

You have a minority lick it off for you!

 

[Safe_Bet]

You have a minority lick it off for you!

 

[rgraham666]

Crap! There goes my raspberry tea!

Thanks. I needed a good laugh after the absolute buzzkill that is Amicus.

Coffee.

And my 7up!

Dammit Rob do you know how hard it is to get marinara sauce off a laptop keyboard. sheesh

Thanks every one! I'm here all week.

Don't forget to try the prime rib from the buffet.

 

[Svenskaflicka]

I must agree with Eliza on one point - even though ami is an idiot who gets off on enraging people, there ARE people stupid enough to believe him. My best friend M actually MET such a person in real life.
This person chose what political party to vote for by listening for 5 seconds to a campaign speech that started "we want to make Sweden a better place", but stopped listening after that, because it was too much of a strain for her miniature brain to ask herself "oh, yeah? And just HOW are you planning to do that?"

Which is pretty much the reason why we have our current government, and why the naziparty came to power in Germany in the late 30'ies, and why we STILL, in 2008, have morons attacking black, Asian, jewish, native American, homosexual people.

Because some people are just so heart-breakingly stupid that they listen to someone who can polish up their BS with multi-syllable words to make them more impressive, and BELIEVE what they hear is true!

Idiots like ami need to be stopped. Ignoring "it" can give US peace of mind, but his rants can also screw up the brains of stupid people, causing them to get violent. I suggest we report every shitty psot by ami, until we've persuaded Manu and Laurel to ban his IP.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I must agree with Eliza on one point - even though ami is an idiot who gets off on enraging people, there ARE people stupid enough to believe him. My best friend M actually MET such a person in real life.
This person chose what political party to vote for by listening for 5 seconds to a campaign speech that started "we want to make Sweden a better place", but stopped listening after that, because it was too much of a strain for her miniature brain to ask herself "oh, yeah? And just HOW are you planning to do that?"

Which is pretty much the reason why we have our current government, and why the naziparty came to power in Germany in the late 30'ies, and why we STILL, in 2008, have morons attacking black, Asian, jewish, native American, homosexual people.

Because some people are just so heart-breakingly stupid that they listen to someone who can polish up their BS with multi-syllable words to make them more impressive, and BELIEVE what they hear is true!

Idiots like ami need to be stopped. Ignoring "it" can give US peace of mind, but his rants can also screw up the brains of stupid people, causing them to get violent. I suggest we report every shitty psot by ami, until we've persuaded Manu and Laurel to ban his IP.

The fact that most people don't agree with him shouldn't be reason enough to stifle him. I rarely agree with him, but that's not enough reason to violate his First Amendment rights.

I realize that there is no such thing as "First Amendment rights" on a privately owned site such as this one, but you still know what I mean.

ETA: Some of his rants, although you may hate to admit it, are correct, at least in part.

 

[cloudy]

The fact that most people don't agree with him shouldn't be reason enough to stifle him. I rarely agree with him, but that's not enough reason to violate his First Amendment rights.

I realize that there is no such thing as "First Amendment rights" on a privately owned site such as this one, but you still know what I mean.

ETA: Some of his rants, although you may hate to admit it, are correct, at least in part.

Which part? Show me just one.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxlicker101
The fact that most people don't agree with him shouldn't be reason enough to stifle him. I rarely agree with him, but that's not enough reason to violate his First Amendment rights.

I realize that there is no such thing as "First Amendment rights" on a privately owned site such as this one, but you still know what I mean.

ETA: Some of his rants, although you may hate to admit it, are correct, at least in part.

Which part? Show me just one.

Okay. Here is a recent rant of his, which raised most people's hackles, including mine:

Originally Posted by amicus
Quote:
Originally Posted by amicus
teach tolerance for blacks and gays

Cloudy, you self inflicted blindness affects you only, most can see that during a natural disaster the looters are 99 percent black. Everyone knows that blacks commit 70 percent of all violent crime in the country. Everyone knows that blacks are the drug dealers and suppliers from coast to coast. Everyone knows that those who chose to stay in New Orleans were black.

Everyone knows that the forced busing and forced integration of the 60's and 70's, the result of Brown vs The school board, has failed abysmally. Everyone knows that affirmative action and quotas for blacks has failed and worsened race relations with the white population.

Everyone knows that 70 percent of blacks are born out of wedlock and that the largest welfare and food stamp recipients are black.

And don't try to sell the liberal agenda that whites are to blame because we enslaved them and the oppressed them and that we should pity them and pay compensation for the past.

This is not taught in the public schools even though it is common knowledge.

And, black penis's are on the average, 1/4 inch longer than white penis's, so I guess that makes the difference. But one cannot even whispers that the average black IQ is fifteen percent lower than the average white, now can one? For surely if one did, one would be a dreaded bigot and/or racist, right?

Open your eyes, kid, face reality.

I guess the slightly bigger dick makes up for the slightly smaller brain and thas why they don't go to school but play football and basketball and marry white women instead, eh?

Amicus...(a really, really bad person)

I think that if you look at informed sources, such as US government statistics, you would see that the illegitamacy rate for Blacks is quite close to 70%.

Those two percentages in the first paragraph are probably too high, but the actual percentages are much higher than the percentage of Blacks in the overall population.

There are White drug dealers and Hispanic drug dealers, but, if you are interested, you can do some research that says a plurality are Black.

I don't believe that forced busing and affirmative action are as bad as Ami says they are, but I do consider them to be more negative than positive.

I also don't think any reparations are owed to Black persons.

The rest is jst vituperation, so I will ignore it.

And, remember, you did emphasize your wish to see ONE thing.

 

[matriarch]

None of his rants are correct, nothing he says has any value, and the fact that you even read or listen to his vicious, racist, minority-intolerant vitriol, has me seriously worried.

 

[Liar]

The fact that most people don't agree with him shouldn't be reason enough to stifle him. I rarely agree with him, but that's not enough reason to violate his First Amendment rights.

I realize that there is no such thing as "First Amendment rights" on a privately owned site such as this one, but you still know what I mean.

I'll have to agree there.

Contributors to a privately owned site has as much freedom of speech as it's owners grant, and Laurel and Manu have apparently granted us all the rights in the world, including the spreading of outright lies about them (case in point, scouries).

How about we respect their desicion?

None of his rants are correct, nothing he says has any value

Maybe so. And...?

 

[rgraham666]

I just put the loon on ignore and moved on with my life.

I've got better things to do than listen to the rants of a person with a fatal case of information disease.

 

[cloudy]

I think that if you look at informed sources, such as US government statistics, you would see that the illegitamacy rate for Blacks is quite close to 70%.

Those two percentages in the first paragraph are probably too high, but the actual percentages are much higher than the percentage of Blacks in the overall population.

There are White drug dealers and Hispanic drug dealers, but, if you are interested, you can do some research that says a plurality are Black.

I don't believe that forced busing and affirmative action are as bad as Ami says they are, but I do consider them to be more negative than positive.

I also don't think any reparations are owed to Black persons.

The rest is jst vituperation, so I will ignore it.

And, remember, you did emphasize your wish to see ONE thing.

...and I think you're wrong. You come up with so much trash just out of left field that I don't believe anything you say (statistically, politically, etc) anymore. You just make crap up, use posts made by some yahoo on a stupid political forum as a "reference" or cite youtube videos as the god's honest truth. Beats all I've ever seen. (newsflash: anyone can make a video and upload it to YouTube...even my eight-year-old)

Before you tell me its right, YOU do your damn homework. I'm not doing it for you.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Amicus is correct.

The greatest social problem blacks have is themselves.

My next door neighbor is black. She has a nice home and a good job. She says she lives HERE because she doesnt want the problems she'd have in a black neighborhood.

ROB

When you put people on IGNORE they like it.

To many youre the BTK of ass-hats.

 

[jomar]

Ami's posts tend to amuse me. As does the fallout. I suspect Ami loves this thread.

 

[amicus]

I don't mind being ostracized for presenting themes that others disagree with, thas the name of the game of discussion and debate and being popular was never my goal.

However, being accused of inaccuracies does tickle me pickle and like it or not, if you take the time to research you will discover, to your chagrin, that every assertion I have ever made on this forum is based on fact, is documented and can be confirmed as accurate reflections of true factual information.

Here are just a few examples, since a recent post pushed the 'hot' button of the 'Usual Suspects' on this fickle forum:

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http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm

Racial differences exist, with blacks disproportionately represented among homicide victims and offenders

In 2005, homicide victimization rates for blacks were 6 times higher than the rates for whites.

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http://www.hrw.org/backgrounder/usa/race/

Out of a total population of 1,976,019 incarcerated in adult facilities, 1,239,946 or 63 percent are black or Latino, though these two groups constitute only 25 percent of the national population.4

In twelve states, between 10 and 15 percent of adult black men are incarcerated.

· In ten states, between 5 and 10 percent of black adults are incarcerated.


· In twelve states, black men are incarcerated at rates between twelve and sixteen times greater than those of white men.


· In fifteen states, black women are incarcerated at rates between ten and thirty-five times greater than those of white women.


· In six states, black youth under age eighteen are incarcerated in adult facilities at rates between twelve and twenty-five times greater than those of white youth.

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http://www.mankindquarterly.org/winter2003_meisenberg.pdf

http://www.indiana.edu/~intell/bellcurve.shtml#part3

Ethnic Differences in Cognitive Ability - East Asians typically earn higher IQ scores than white Americans, especially in the verbal intelligence areas. African-Americans typically earn IQ scores one full standard deviation below those of white Americans. The IQ difference between African-Americans and whites remains at all levels of socioeconomic status (SES), and is even more pronounced at higher levels of SES.

http://www.crusader.net/texts/ygg/y21.html

Members of all racial-ethnic groups can be found at every IQ level. The bell curves of different groups overlap considerably, but groups often differ in where their members tend to cluster along the IQ line. The bell curves for some groups (Jews and East Asians) are centered somewhat higher than for whites in general. Other groups (blacks and Hispanics) ale centered somewhat lower than non-Hispanic whites.


The bell curve for whites is centered roughly around IQ 100; the bell curve for American blacks roughly around 85; and those for different subgroups of Hispanics roughly midway between those for whites and blacks. The evidence is less definitive for exactly where above IQ 100 the bell curves for Jews and Asians are centered.

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In the early days of my career as a talk radio and television show personality, it did not take long for me to become aware that my words, thoughts, assumptions and statements were heard by many, including experts, college professors, professional people from all walks of life, plus the common caller who could be left or right, moderate or extreme and radical, religious, upset, ranting, raving or just plain full of shit.

Suffice it to say, I quickly learned not to utter a word, a conclusion or a premise unless I could document it and back it up.

That holds true yet today as a matter of principle on this and all other venues I speak to.

Your hatred, disagreement, name calling and the exposure of your total ignorance of the subject under discussion, does not trouble me in the least, but your assault on my veracity, integrity and honesty, requires defense.

From this point on, you might show the common courtesy to do your own research before you criticize...that is if you have a shred of honesty in your persona.

Amicus...the accurate one...

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

AMICUS

What you propose isnt gonna happen. If the usual suspects did their homework they wouldnt be the usual suspects.

I keep up with whats happening because two of my grandkids are biracial, and I get the 'black' perspective on things, in addition to other viewpoints.

There really are two mindsets in the black community. One camp wants nothing more than an opportunity to go as far as they can with their natural talents, and to be left alone by do-gooders and uplifters. The other camp belongs to the poverty pimps who exploit problems for federal funds, affirmative-action, and political influence.

The latter have a vested interest in chaos, turmoil, and suffering.