Republican Convention notes from Amicus...Governor Palin

[amicus]

Romney, Huckabee and Guiliani loaded the bases and Palin put it out of the Park!

Drill, Baby, Drill, was the chant from the audience, along with USA! USA! USA! As the McCain crowd clobbered the left in no uncertain terms on all fronts...

Almost embarrassing how Guiliani ripped Obama from every direction, I even felt sorry for the poor guy.

McCain and Palin, two mavericks that will shake up Washington, eh, I like that!

And the pregnant Palin daughter, holding her baby brother with a 'sucky -thing' is what I call em, with Mrs. McCain taking over...family, babies, mothers, wow...what a visual impact that no commentator spoke of.

Patient, well spoken, as she begins her speech after an extended welcome by the delegates.

Played, 'mother card', early...

Son and nephew in middle east, high on military...

Family....special needs children....touched a nerve in audience...

Reference to Truman also touching....

Hockey mom, PTA....difference between a hockey mom and a Pit Bull....lipstick....grins...

Ripped Obama better that Hillary did, over 'community organizer' and flip flop attitude on issues before different crowds....

Slapped the media up longside da head....

We, the people, shook things up in Alaska...I put their luxury jet on Ebay...

40 billion dollar, privately funded, to bring natural gas to Americans...

Foreign policy, Russia using energy to blackmail Europe, middle east oil used as coercive political power ....another nice touch...

Explicit plan for energy independence...well stated...

Back at Obama, big time...and well done...

"Take the Maverick, (McCain) out of the Congress and put him in the White House..." In commentary following words about Harry Reed and the current, 'do nothing' Congress.
And she did put it out of the park.

If you missed it, you missed a memorable event.

Perfectly delivered exquisitely spoken and tempered, that was without a doubt the best speech of the current political season.

I finally figured out why she was chosen....her verbosity and ability is equal to and better than Obama in his best Ivy League moments.

McCain can sit back and talk issues for the next two months, Palin will dog Obama into the dirt.

verrrrry....interrrressssting....

Amicus...

 

[DesertPirate]

She did what I hoped she would.
It was fun listening to it.

 

[jomar]

She couldn't have done better. Really. And I thought her "I put it on eBay" was her best line. But...like all these speeches, the misdirection and sins of omission conceal the whole story, and I'm not excluding the Dems from this. Case in point - she said she said no to federal money for the bridge. And she did, but only after accepting federal money for the bridge...you know the story. A Kennedyesqe reference with the McCain is a profile in courage...a good speech, but barely veiled nasty politics as usual. I wondered if 'drill, baby drill" was prompted.

I did lose respect for Giuliani for his petty, mocking, adolescent tone. But I might not know his style.

The debates will be interesting, no?

 

[sweetness6280]

I have to be the dissenting vote here. I was expecting to be wowed, and moved. I wasn't.
It wasn't a homerun for me... just maybe a double.

She had some great lines, delivered pretty well. I take issue with some of her facts, but then both parties work hard to spin things their way at the conventions. She rocked the convention house, but then the house is not who she needs to reach.

I listened with my head, and a little with my heart, wanting Gov. Palin to really reach out and grab me. She just didn't. I think there was a choice that was unfortunate for Palin. The choice was made to go ahead and use the speech that Bush speechwriter Scully wrote before he knew who would be the VP nominee. There was a marked difference between the parts that were pure Palin, and the parts that were Party.

I think they should have let Sarah be Sarah. On her own, she probably could have hit a grand slam.

Just my observations....

 

[DesertPirate]

On the drilling I liked her line that it may not solve the problem but it is better than doing nothing

If the Dems hadn't been obstructing drilling and Nuke pwer for the last 30 years would things be better now? Probably.

 

[Guest]

She couldn't have done better. Really. And I thought her "I put it on eBay" was her best line. But...like all these speeches, the misdirection and sins of omission conceal the whole story, and I'm not excluding the Dems from this. Case in point - she said she said no to federal money for the bridge. And she did, but only after accepting federal money for the bridge...you know the story. A Kennedyesqe reference with the McCain is a profile in courage...a good speech, but barely veiled nasty politics as usual. I wondered if 'drill, baby drill" was prompted.

I did lose respect for Giuliani for his petty, mocking, adolescent tone. But I might not know his style.

The debates will be interesting, no?

The debates will be very interesting.

 

[amicus]

Yes, we will see what we see, I suppose and what we want to see perhaps, dunno...

As many suspect, I am not fond of women in politics and I suppose I expected a Clintonesque performance, shallow and memorized, but that was not the case.

This woman came across as real, very real, and down to earth and if you did not know she was either using a teleprompter or had memorized the speech, you could easily believe it was her words, her passion and her drive behind the words and the ideas.

Yes, I was impressed and I very seldom am, with men or women orators.

She also has the stage presence of a professional, not a professional politician, as with Obama and Clinton, but a true, easy going stage presence of knowing when to pause, when to speak and when to smile and make a light comment.

For one who has had a share of being before a crowd, she did exceptionally well and I think others will take note of that.

Also, I posted my comment before I heard any commentary from the news media, so, those are my thoughts, influenced by no one else...

not that it matters...


amicus...

 

[DeeZire]

On the drilling I liked her line that it may not solve the problem but it is better than doing nothing

If the Dems hadn't been obstructing drilling and Nuke pwer for the last 30 years would things be better now? Probably.

If the R's hadn't been obstructing alternative energy for the past 8 years, would things be better now? Probably. Out here in Arizona, there's a solar power installation waiting to be built. They need the tax incentive legislation that's being blocked by the R's, the same type of tax incentive legislation that was given to the oil industry.
(Sorry to butt into this sacred thread, but incomplete information needs to be amended to reflect reality.)

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Back OT - did Jesus show up? Or did He at least send some Angels? Or cause a few Miracles? That would be the litmus test for me. I mean, if she's doing God's Will, she's going to be getting some Help from Above, right?

 

[sweetness6280]

She also has the stage presence of a professional, not a professional politician, as with Obama and Clinton, but a true, easy going stage presence of knowing when to pause, when to speak and when to smile and make a light comment.

Also, I posted my comment before I heard any commentary from the news media, so, those are my thoughts, influenced by no one else...

not that it matters...

amicus...

And I felt she did not have a powerful stage presence, but an easy going, sit down with your neighbor feel. I actually thought that was one of her strengths.

I didn't know that she was speaking someone else's words until after the speech, and I could tell the difference between the words written for her and her own words. She was at her best when being "herself".

Amazingly enough, the only commentary I heard was praising her for her speech. To insinuate that I am influenced by commentary in my opinions is tantamount to suggesting that I could not formulate a thought or opinion on my own. I actually took notes during the speech on a legal pad, on the same pad that I have notes from Biden's and Obama's speech... the same pad on which I will take notes tomorrow during McCain's speech. I take seriously my responsibility as a voter, and I endeavor to learn as much as I can.

That insinuation is beneath you, as, although I disagreed with your assessment, I would not dream of casting aspersions on your ability to assess the speech.

 

[Varian P]

I finally figured out why she was chosen....her verbosity and ability is equal to and better than Obama in his best Ivy League moments.

So, they picked her because she's excessively wordy? Gee, what an worthy qualification by which to choose a prospective leader.

 

[DesertPirate]

If the R's hadn't been obstructing alternative energy for the past 8 years, would things be better now? Probably. Out here in Arizona, there's a solar power installation waiting to be built. They need the tax incentive legislation that's being blocked by the R's, the same type of tax incentive legislation that was given to the oil industry.
(Sorry to butt into this sacred thread, but incomplete information needs to be amended to reflect reality.)

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Back OT - did Jesus show up? Or did He at least send some Angels? Or cause a few Miracles? That would be the litmus test for me. I mean, if she's doing God's Will, she's going to be getting some Help from Above, right?

Speaking of alternative enrgy, wasn't it the Dem controlled Congress that ended the tax deduction for solar hot water in the early 90s for homeowners? Why yes it was!

 

[DeeZire]

Speaking of alternative enrgy, wasn't it the Dem controlled Congress that ended the tax deduction for solar hot water in the early 90s for homeowners? Why yes it was!

Could be. I'm not talking about the 90s. I'm talking about the solar power plant that's waiting to be built right here where I live. I'm talking about the people we're considering voting for, (or against) in the upcoming election. There's not much we can do about past history, but we can try to affect the history we're making today.

Actually, now that McCain is showing windmills in his campaign ads, he'll probably be forced to vote for the legislation we've been waiting for all year. One small problem - the longer we have to wait to build this solar power installation, the more it costs, because of inflation and rising prices for material, and the investors are getting antsy.

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I am disappointed Palin didn't get to give her own speech. That, to me, would be the ultimate insult, getting chosen for my personality, and then having to go out on national TV and be a robot, reading someone else's words. You gotta hand it to her, she's willing to take one for the team. (I wonder if she ever gang-banged the football team?)

 

[Tricialen]

Sara Palin kicked ass! She is a mom, a governor, and a candidate...she is a breath of fresh air. The liberal left can make all the noise they want...middle America will love her, identify with her and vote for John McCain because the two of them will take our country in a new direction of strength and prosperity and make it right again to stand up and say to the world that I'm proud to be an American as for her qualifications get real ...she is more qualified than then entire left to govern our great country...you're just crying rotten eggs because she is gonna blow the left away so they picked Obama because he can read a speach...get real..he has no qualificatons to be our president and that's all I have to say about that

 

[Guest]

Good for you, Tri.

I'm not crying anything, though. No rotten eggs.

I think she'll have a great deal of difficulty during the debates because she doesn't really posses the qualifications.

 

[Tricialen]

Good for you, Tri.

I'm not crying anything, though. No rotten eggs.

I think she'll have a great deal of difficulty during the debates because she doesn't really posses the qualifications.

Ok..so I do still have something to say....she is governor of the largest state in America....she handles an eleven BILLION dollar budget that has a surplus....she oversees hundreds of state employees and fights for her state and what's best for it....humm Ombama has never been a mayor nor a governor....never had to manage an eleven BILLION dollar budget....never put his name or time to passing anything...who's not qualified?

 

[Iamcanadian28]

Sara Palin kicked ass! She is a mom, a governor, and a candidate...she is a breath of fresh air. The liberal left can make all the noise they want...middle America will love her, identify with her and vote for John McCain because the two of them will take our country in a new direction of strength and prosperity and make it right again to stand up and say to the world that I'm proud to be an American as for her qualifications get real ...she is more qualified than then entire left to govern our great country...you're just crying rotten eggs because she is gonna blow the left away so they picked Obama because he can read a speach...get real..he has no qualificatons to be our president and that's all I have to say about that

I usually stay out of US politics debates but the irony here is too great.

The current president would seem to be enormously qualified for the job. Business degree, business experience, governor of a large state, brother of a governor, son of a president.

Then you look at the results of the last 8 years. Does being "qualified" mean that much, really?

 

[Guest]

Ok..so I do still have something to say....she is governor of the largest state in America....she handles an eleven BILLION dollar budget that has a surplus....she oversees hundreds of state employees and fights for her state and what's best for it....humm Ombama has never been a mayor nor a governor....never had to manage an eleven BILLION dollar budget....never put his name or time to passing anything...who's not qualified?

Her state has always had a surplus due to oil. She hasn't had to deal with those issues.

Her state functions by using huge government pork subsidies.

Her state only has 600,000 people in it. Large in area, small in population - less than some of the larger cities in the US.

She has no international experience.

McCain is 72. She'd stand a real chance of being president.

No, thank you.

 

[DeeZire]

....she handles an eleven BILLION dollar budget that has a surplus....

If she gets into the Whitehouse, she'll be handling a multi-trillion dollar deficit with no end in sight. Any yahoo can run a state with a surplus. It's like giving a woman a credit card with no limit.

 

[Tricialen]

Her state has always had a surplus due to oil. She hasn't had to deal with those issues.

Her state functions by using huge government pork subsidies.

Her state only has 600,000 people in it. Large in area, small in population - less than some of the larger cities in the US.

She has no international experience.

McCain is 72. She'd stand a real chance of being president.

No, thank you.

1. yes she has

2. she ran against an encombent governor because he was dirty...he was republican too.

3. she does not waste money nor want to raise taxes like the OTHER party

4. tell me ...other than write two books and having questionable friends and never served our country other than as a senator that votes "present" what has Ombama done that gives him more qualifications?

On second thought ...never mind...you have your beliefs I have mine and I respect that...you have the right to want who ever you want for president...isn't America wonderful that way?

 

[amicus]

Amusing that the pundits on MSNBC stated that her big test would be the debates, and lo and behold it be repeated here, we know who you listen to.

I suggest the Mrs. Sarah Palin, will kick ass in the debate against the good old boys rep, Biden, the hardened bureaucrat who spouts party lines and cannot think on his feet, she will eat him alive and leave him red faced and speachless.

What all of this suggests that everyone knows she hit a home run in her first big time appearance and now they know they really have a force to contend with.

She has all that McCain lacks in stage presence and oratory ability, plus, she knows her beans about the issues and is smart and quick and, urk, female and she will talk him into the ground.

wanna bet?

amicus...

 

[Pure]

great!

i'm so pleased with this thread. amicus drooling and all.

yes she's attractive and passionate. strong, not like a pitbull, but one of those little jack russel terriers.

but the stuff that comes out of that mouth! fred barnes over at the weekly standard, my fave right wing rag, has been touting her for a year. she's to women what clarence thomas is to black people, and alberto gonzales is to hispanics. yup the republicans have found her.

the poster woman for abstinence with the pregnant daughter.

the repeater of right wing slogans without the glimmer of accuracy. whatever the speech writer puts down--obama loves terrorists; let's have creationism in the schools-- she puts it out in her passionate, sincere way.

the most brazen of lies. alaska gets more earmarks and special funding from the feds than the next ten other states combined. and she's talking about 'no thanks' to the 'bridge to nowhere.'

this is a piece of hypocrisy rivalling gwb at his best. she first of all, spoke in favor of the bridge. as the winds shifted, she opposed it BUT INSURED that that federal money would go to Alaska anyway, without designation, i.e. to use as she pleased!

she has done ONE progressive thing. for which amicus should be chewing his tongue, but he's probably not aware of it. she upped the tax on the windfall profits of oil companies. yep, amicus, she *stole* wealth from those fine entrepreneurs!. then each alaska family gets a thousand bucks-- robin hood style-- for defraying their heating bill.

do the math, folks. alaska pop. almost 700,000. let's say 200,000 families at $1000 each. that's 2 billion. for oil companies, that's a nick. simply the cost of doing business in Alaska. oh, and the bonus.

Gov Palin says, 'drill wherever you please, federal reserve or not; just mind your manners.'

that's her 'standing up to the special interests.'

i just utterly pleased! she was put there to make amicus salivate; to "energize the base." think about it folks: the amicus' of the world were quite LUKEWARM about the authentic war hero mccain. seems he didn't want to deport illegals by the trainload. fuck his character. they were thinking of sitting on their hands, not 'putting a hero in the white house.'

from a left perspective, she could hardly be more UNappealling--on the issues-- to any but the xian right ladies who'd vote for rep'ns anyway. there is not a SINGLE women's issue where she's mainstream, as opposed to agreeing with mr dobson and co. folks, she agrees with amicus on every issue, starting with gay rights! conventioners are wearing buttons saying "the hottie for VP"! for rush limbaugh, she's 'the babe.'

i love it. go rep'ns!!

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

AMICUS

Palin is Ellie Mae Clampett. She reminds most American women that they descend from saloon girls, and theyre lovin it.

 

[Pure]

if mccain were the guy that fred and guiliani say he is, the authentic hero and jesus christ of unparalleled strength and virtue, they could put the swamp thing in the VP slot, and win.

http://www.kowabunga.org/images/pictures/convergence_2005/swamp_thing1.jpg

makes one think.... why did they follow barnes and limbaugh's suggestion? why were the base, the folks like rush and amicus, so lukewarm, if not caustic about their wounded Messiah from the Hanoi Hilton.

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

I have to be the dissenting vote here. I was expecting to be wowed, and moved. I wasn't.
It wasn't a homerun for me... just maybe a double.

Concur. Maybe a stretch-triple. It was very good, and fun too. Plus she's drop-dead beautiful.

Dick Morris said she either talked too much or not enough about the pregnant daughter thing - either leave it out or thrash it out.

Someone said here the day she was picked and spoke in Dayton that her voice isn't the greatest. If I had been a manager grooming her for the last six months I would have gotten her a voice coach to work on that. Who has a great voice? Margaret Thatcher had a good one.

Her dismembering of Obama was good, and funny, and exactly what a veep candidate is supposed to do. This is gonna be fun.

Those hoping for a meltdown in the debate are delusional. The woman is sharp, has presence and almost certainly can think on her feet. She didn't knock-off a sitting, establishment-governor in a primary by being a good teleprompter reader. Biden's peretual stridency on foreign policy, more often wrong than not, is a cornucopia for opposition researchers, and you better believe she will be armed and dangerous to him when she goes into that debate. If he tries to demean or belittle her - his usual debate style - it will be the biggest mistake he could make.

 

[Selena_Kitt]

I was really looking forward to her speech. I was interested to hear how she was going to address the issues, deal with the mud that's been slinging around the past week or so...

I was surprised by the media/general reaction, because for me, she didn't hit anything out of the park. To me, she looked/seemed like a little girl doing just what Daddy wanted her to, and aren't you all so PROUD of me? She beamed like that... "Look, Daddy, look what I can do!"

And if she hit anything, it was a little league hit in a really small ballpark.

She's playing with the big boys in the majors now. I guess we'll see how well daddy's girl can handle herself when push comes to shove.