Republican Convention notes from Amicus...Governor Palin

[Guest]

Disingenuous BS. Phoney "evenhandedness." Another journalist in the tank for Obama and trying to fool readers into thinking that he's "objective." Not fooled. Not impressed.

It's on Huffington's blog. Of course it's slanted Obama.

But he made excellent sense and you know it.

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

It's on Huffington's blog. Of course it's slanted Obama.

But he made excellent sense and you know it.

Nope - it was just BS. "Yet none of this gets to the two most glaring gaps in her speech for a waiting Joe Biden. The first is what she wants to do about the issues that face America. The economy, housing, the environment, science, women's right to choose, stem cell research."

Let me translate: "The most glaring gap is that she disagrees with me on all those issues." Everyone knows where she stands on those, and anyone can tell where he does.

 

[Emperor_Nero]

Nope - it was just BS. "Yet none of this gets to the two most glaring gaps in her speech for a waiting Joe Biden. The first is what she wants to do about the issues that face America. The economy, housing, the environment, science, women's right to choose, stem cell research."

Let me translate: "The most glaring gap is that she disagrees with me on all those issues." Everyone knows where she stands on those, and anyone can tell where he does.

No Roxy ... I know where people have told me she stands on all of those issues, but SHE still hasn't told me. She had a national platform to say, in her own words, exactly where she stands on the issues that face America. Not what a reporter tells me about where she stands or even clips of things she said before becoming a candidate for a job that puts her a 72-year-old heartbeat from being my president.

She didn't tell me a damn thing other than she doesn't like Obama ... and everybody knew that.

 

[sr71plt]

No Roxy ... I know where people have told me she stands on all of those issues, but SHE still hasn't told me. She had a national platform to say, in her own words, exactly where she stands on the issues that face America. Not what a reporter tells me about where she stands or even clips of things she said before becoming a candidate for a job that puts her a 72-year-old heartbeat from being my president.

She didn't tell me a damn thing other than she doesn't like Obama ... and everybody knew that.

Well, she did say she'd said no to the Bridge to Nowhere (several times, actually). And if that's true, I think that's sort of neat and a real statement.

 

[neonlyte]

Nope - it was just BS.

BS??
Bloody Stupid
Brilliant Satire
Boring Southerner???

Naturally there are differences of viewpoint across a vast range of issues... I thought Bobbie J was as even handed as he could be in pointing out this was her stage, her chance to show where she stood - not to Rebublicans, 'you' know where she stands - but to the leagues of uncommited voters (and Europeans) who have to decide where to place their cross. In that task she failed... but then she is a Republican and to any rational observers eyes, they've been failing for at least 6 of the last eight years with, apparently, no lesson learned.

 

[Emperor_Nero]

Well, she did say she'd said no to the Bridge to Nowhere (several times, actually). And if that's true, I think that's sort of neat and a real statement.

Yeah, she said no to it right after she cashed the federal check into the Alaska treasury

 

[Guest]

Well, she did say she'd said no to the Bridge to Nowhere (several times, actually). And if that's true, I think that's sort of neat and a real statement.

She did say no to it - eventually.

 

[jomar]

Well, she did say she'd said no to the Bridge to Nowhere (several times, actually). And if that's true, I think that's sort of neat and a real statement.

Nice bait!

And she did say no, but not when.

Next.

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

BS??
Bloody Stupid
Brilliant Satire
Boring Southerner???

Naturally there are differences of viewpoint across a vast range of issues... I thought Bobbie J was as even handed as he could be in pointing out this was her stage, her chance to show where she stood - not to Rebublicans, 'you' know where she stands - but to the leagues of uncommited voters (and Europeans) who have to decide where to place their cross. In that task she failed... but then she is a Republican and to any rational observers eyes, they've been failing for at least 6 of the last eight years with, apparently, no lesson learned.

Look folks - it wasn't her task last night and it's not her job in this campaign to go around reading policy white-papers that get wonks geeked. So criticizing her for not doing it is BS. A red herring. It's a form of passive aggressiveness.

 

[jomar]

Interesting. I was looking forward to McCain's speech, but those before him, including Palin, had so many obvious bold statements with such glaring ommisions that contradict the statements, that I find myself watching him with one eye. I'll wait until the debates, I guess.

And I'm tired of hearing about his being POW. I understand they are going for character, and America, but it doesn't mean one is qualified to be a president. Maybe he was brainwashed into voting with Bush 90% of the time - joke. (Utmost respect for him serving and not coming home early, by the way. I'm just tired of it being trotted out like he's the American flag. I get it though.)

Sleep well, Ami, I have concerns about Obama, too.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Its more like a lame excuse for the real reason they dislike her.

I dont like her because I think she's self-absorbed and white trash.

 

[jomar]

Its more like a lame excuse for the real reason they dislike her.

I dont like her because I think she's self-absorbed and white trash.

Gone all uppity.

From some of the things I'm reading, you might be close to the mark.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

JOMAR

As much as I dislike Captain Queeg, I respect his gutsy balls for enduring years of torture and abuse as a POW. I mean, how does a nation repay that? I think we do it by sincerely applauding the man whenever the subject comes up....then vote for the other guy.

 

[Roxanne Appleby]

McCain is not a sparkling speaker, so it's no surprise that his speech was dull. The POW stuff was important, and there was one place where he was really speaking from from the heart and about a subject he knew well - the pain and horror of war, and what a serious matter it is.

 

[Emperor_Nero]

Look folks - it wasn't her task last night and it's not her job in this campaign to go around reading policy white-papers that get wonks geeked. So criticizing her for not doing it is BS. A red herring. It's a form of passive aggressiveness.

It better be her task and it better be Biden's task as well.

I hate to say it, but realistically, McCain is 72 and Obama is a black man in a nation still more racist than it would like to admit to. While I hope and pray, no matter who wins the election, that it doesn't come to pass, there is a realistic chance that whomever wins this election won't be alive in four years to run for re-election.

Both of these VP candidates had better be showing me what they stand for and what they plan to do for me, because I know there's a realistic chance they're going to get a promotion at some point. The VP candidates never have and may never again play as important a role in a presidential election as they will in this election. Both Palin and Biden need to prove to me their not only good at being an attack dog and going to state funerals, they also have to show me they're ready for the top job.

 

[sweetness6280]

McCain is not a sparkling speaker, so it's no surprise that his speech was dull. The POW stuff was important, and there was one place where he was really speaking from from the heart and about a subject he knew well - the pain and horror of war, and what a serious matter it is.

Interestingly, as much as I was not moved by Palin last night, I was incredibly moved by McCain's speech tonight. He hit just the right balance and tone. I still disagree with him on several issues, but the speech was, IMHO, perhaps the best he has ever given.

One thing I did find interesting, was the reaction of the crowd. When he was taking on the Dems or speaking of his war record, they were elated and responsive. When he began to speak of the problems in Washington, the mistakes made by politicians on both sides of the aisle, and the broken trust with the American people, the crowd was less enthusiastic, and a couple of people actually looked bored. I imagine those statements played better outside of the arena.

I believed him. I did not for one moment question his sincerity, his passion, or his commitment.

This will be an interesting 2 months.

 

[sweetness6280]

Look folks - it wasn't her task last night and it's not her job in this campaign to go around reading policy white-papers that get wonks geeked. So criticizing her for not doing it is BS. A red herring. It's a form of passive aggressiveness.

I disagree. Last night was her introduction to the nation. It was her chance to stand up, and in her own voice, tell us what she stands for, what she believes in, and what we can expect from her. I didn't expect a "policy reading", just a bit more insight and information.

The blame, I believe, lies with the Republican "powers that be". They handed her a speech which was not written for her, and told her to read it. Which she did. And it did not move me.

 

[jomar]

JOMAR

As much as I dislike Captain Queeg, I respect his gutsy balls for enduring years of torture and abuse as a POW. I mean, how does a nation repay that? I think we do it by sincerely applauding the man whenever the subject comes up....then vote for the other guy.

I mentioned this same thing in another thread. I respect the hell out of his choice not to come home early, but I'm tired of it being politicized. Though I understand that too. But yeah, truly honor it, truly, but don't assume it makes one qualified to be president. And then...politics as usual.

 

[DeeZire]

And then...politics as usual.

Yeah, like McCain's latest campaign ad claiming OB is going to raise taxes on the middle class. WTF? How do you praise a guy for making a believable speech when he's lying in his campaign ads?

I think McCain's been taken over by his handlers, just like Palin has, and Karl Rove is the one running for office.

 

[Belegon]

She did say no to it - eventually.

But she kept the money to spend on other things in her state.

Of course, that was her job. Look, whether it is Mayor or Governor, you are supposed to do everything you can for the people you represent. I get that and appreciate it.

But at the presidential level, there ain't no feds to leech off of.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

JOMAR

I know plenty of heroes with crappy ideas, especially old soldiers.

 

[amicus]

It is amusing and curiously nefarious to note the 'usual suspects', the left, pretend not to have heard or understood the policy statements by both McCain and Palin. They do understand and it scares the hell out of them.

Just as the left, through Obama and Clinton, symbolized their socialism through bromides of collective endeavor and we all understand that, the Republicans symbolized American ethics and morality with sweeping generalities that reflect the individual initiative and entrepreneurship of the free market, and you pretend not to understand that. Amusing....and subtly evil (the definition of nefarious).

With both Europe and Japan in recession, our blindered compatriots from, 'over there', steadfastly criticize the American economy, which, in fact, is doing better than any economy in the world save China and Asia is walking on the edge of a fall from rapid expansion on all fronts.

You already see the writing on the wall. McCain and Palin will win in a landslide, taking perhaps 90 percent of the electoral college votes and will be in the White House for a solid eight years. Even better, or worse, depending on your perspective, the next 16 years as Palin will be a shoe-in as an incumbent when McCain finishes his terms at age 80, still in fine robust health.

Even better than that, in those 'issues' you didn't hear expressed at the convention, let me list them for you as I could and did listen and hear and understand.

Number one, for those about to abandon America with a Republican victory, is that the Supreme Court will be placed in a strong majority with Justices that uphold the Constitution and do not legislate from the bench. Translation: goodbye Roe v Wade, goodbye Affirmative Action, goodbye socialized medicine, an overdue goodbye to all the left wing liberal decisions rendered in the past forty years.

Secondly, "Drill, Baby, Drill", distinct, clear energy policies intended to quickly bring America to energy indepenence and an entire reworking of the global energy market as jobs and industries spring to life after a forty year hiatus brought about by the eco freaks and their cohorts.

Third, education, that leg of the chair that supports the left democrats, the teachers unions and the entrenched educational lobbies....goodbye, y'all, as charter schools, parental choice and private schools eliminate the worn out public system of education in the United States.

In other words, a return to reason, rationality and efficiency as taxes are reduced, spending curtailed, government programs abolished and industry unleashed to provide the goods and services desired by the world at large.

The unspoken visual of the families of McCain and Palin, the down to earth, good old American values and ethics and morals of family and children and hard work and responsibility...the press didn't even dare to acknowledge the visual images and the presented family background of both as Obama's family and history withered before the eyes of an astounded television audience of near forty million.

And of course, a woman in the White House, imagine that, the dream of feminists for a century. And what better chance of a woman President with a man the age of McCain. As I noted before, even if he does survive through the eight years, the heir apparent in 2016 will indeed be the first woman with an advantage going into those elections.

As with the old Bing Crosby song: "You've got to accentuate the positive and eliminate the negative..." Goodbye left wing detractors. As during the convention when the left wing crazies tried to interrupt the convention on the floor, the crowd shouted them down with, "USA! USA! USA!", that indeed warmed the cockles of me ole ticker.

But, geez, all you usual suspect lefties...don't bail on the country, hang around, participate in the political process, like a woman constantly nagging, a real pain in the ass they are and so are you, but you must serve a purpose, ahm, although like a 'hair shirt', I am not quite sure what that purpose might be.

The always amiable Amicus....

 

[sr71plt]

You already see the writing on the wall. McCain and Palin will win in a landslide, taking perhaps 90 percent of the electoral college votes and will be in the White House for a solid eight years. Even better, or worse, depending on your perspective, the next 16 years as Palin will be a shoe-in as an incumbent when McCain finishes his terms at age 80, still in fine robust health.

This is the sort of "brilliant" punditing I so wish was still around to be bumped up after the election so we all can see the quality of the prognostication--either way.

What was it at the time that Amicus predicted about either Obama or McCain making it through the nomination process?

 

[Belegon]

Well, she did say she'd said no to the Bridge to Nowhere (several times, actually). And if that's true, I think that's sort of neat and a real statement.

She really did say no to it... but, there is a second part that is not getting added.

She kept the money. Seriously. AND she continued to build the road that LEADS to the bridge.


See, I'm not so big on the whole "flip-flop" thing when it come to projects and such. New information can legitimately affect your opinion of something. I find the "flip-flop" thing important on BELIEFS. Or on character. Things like honor, truthfulness, commitment to ideals.


But on a bridge? Look, if something is started and it is a waste of money, we shouldn't finish it once we realize it is a waste of money.

That is just bad business. And we've had plenty of bad business decisions the last eight years.

For example: "Let's cut our revenues and then increase our spending." Over and over and over and over.

 

[DesertPirate]

It better be her task and it better be Biden's task as well.

I hate to say it, but realistically, McCain is 72 and Obama is a black man in a nation still more racist than it would like to admit to. While I hope and pray, no matter who wins the election, that it doesn't come to pass, there is a realistic chance that whomever wins this election won't be alive in four years to run for re-election.

Both of these VP candidates had better be showing me what they stand for and what they plan to do for me, because I know there's a realistic chance they're going to get a promotion at some point. The VP candidates never have and may never again play as important a role in a presidential election as they will in this election. Both Palin and Biden need to prove to me their not only good at being an attack dog and going to state funerals, they also have to show me they're ready for the top job.

Nero, the job of the VP candidates in any campaign in our lifetimes has been the attack dog. She did well at it. Don't expect anything to change this time.

You have very valid points to want a change but the party hacks of both sides won't let it happen.