Bill Clinton: Paragon of THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH!

[busybody..]

Bill Clinton in Denver again undercuts Obama
By Sam Youngman

Posted: 08/26/08 01:47 PM [ET]

DENVER — Bill Clinton appeared to undermine Sen. Barack Obama again Tuesday.

The former president, speaking in Denver, posed a hypothetical question in which he seemed to suggest that that the Democratic Party was making a mistake in choosing Obama as its presidential nominee.

He said: "Suppose you're a voter, and you've got candidate X and candidate Y. Candidate X agrees with you on everything, but you don't think that candidate can deliver on anything at all. Candidate Y you agree with on about half the issues, but he can deliver. Which candidate are you going to vote for?"

Then, perhaps mindful of how his off-the-cuff remarks might be taken, Clinton added after a pause: "This has nothing to do with what's going on now."

The comments are unlikely to be taken as an innocent mistake by those Democrats who continue to be angry with the former president for, they say, not supporting the Illinois senator wholeheartedly, if not implicitly undercutting him.

The controversial comments came just hours before Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.), the former first lady and principal rival to Obama, was due to speak from the convention podium.

Democrats concerned about what the former president might say when he addresses the Democratic convention Wednesday night would likely have cringed at his remarks Tuesday to a group of foreign dignitaries.

The former president talked about the importance of a politician being able to deliver on his promises following an electoral victory and how voters factor in that ability to deliver when picking their candidate.

During the contentious and at times nasty nomination battle between Clinton and Obama, the Clinton campaign repeatedly pushed the question of whether Obama, a freshman senator, had the experience or the ability to deliver on his promises if elected. Clinton, they argued, was more suited to do so.

The former president devoted much of his sometimes-rambling remarks to solving the global energy crisis and the need to address climate change.

But time and again he returned to his great love of politics, noting that it was more than the closeness and intensity of the nomination battle between his wife and Obama that piqued his interest this year, but the "infusion of cash from small amounts by Internet donors and the explosion of blog sites."

"For those of us interested in politics, it was an endlessly fascinating process already, and it's still got some twists and turns between now and November," Clinton said.

The former president did say early in his remarks that the purpose of a party convention is to "introduce the candidate in a new and different and hopefully more positive way... [to] unify the party and [aid in] defining the battle" between the two parties.

The unifying-the-party aspect is what has many Democrats concerned about Clinton's Wednesday night remarks.

Clinton has been a media magnet throughout the year as his remarks have caused heartache and headaches to former and current supporters.

From when he called Obama's candidacy "a fairytale" to when he compared the Illinois senator's win in South Carolina to that of Rev. Jesse Jackson's, many Clinton loyalists, detractors and analysts feel that Clinton did irreparable damage to both his wife's candidacy and his legacy as president.

Now in a convention that continues to be racked with stories and questions about how unified the Democratic Party truly is, Clinton's appearance Wednesday — and his tendency to go off the teleprompter — has some Democrats very nervous.

Former Clinton aide and Democratic strategist Paul Begala, however, told The Hill that the former president is solidly behind Obama's candidacy.

"He's totally for Barack," Begala said Tuesday. "He's totally for Barack."

 

[busybody..]

one can be damn sure that the PARAGON of VIRTUE

Bill Clinton will do his utmost to assist in getting BAM elected

 

[busybody..]

will be interesting to hear what ClitBITCH says and doesnt say and HOW she says what she says

tonight

 

[busybody..]

more drama from the Clits

2008 Democratic National Convention
Obama, Clinton camps working on hotel roll-call vote
By Chuck Plunkett and Allison Sherry and Kimberly Johnson
The Denver Post




Relentless race caught Clinton's team flat-footedClinton to release delegates to ObamaClinton supporter says she was called 'Uncle Tom'Clinton urges supporters to get behind ObamaObama says Clintons are fully on boardClinton, Obama agree on roll call voteSupporters of Hillary Rodham Clinton furiously circulated petitions on the floor of the Democratic National Convention last night, hoping to stave off a plan to hold the convention's roll call at breakfast Wednesday — out of the public eye — sources inside the delegations said.

The move being worked out between the Obama campaign and officials behind Clinton's suspended bid, would work in two parts: Delegates would cast votes at their hotels Wednesday morning; that night, at the Pepsi Center convention site, the roll-call process would rely on the votes cast that morning, the delegates said.

Colorado Rep. Diana DeGette, a former state co-chair for Clinton said she knows the camps are in negotiations about what to do.




"My view is we need to come together as a party," DeGette said. "I admire Hillary Clinton greatly, but I think it would be divisive to have a vote on the floor. We need to have a unanimous vote."

The evening event would call on the delegation from Illinois, which Obama serves as the junior senator, and then move to New York, which Clinton represents.

After New York delegates applaud Clinton's long-fought and historic candidacy, a motion would be made to accept the votes cast at breakfast.

The move is being resisted by some Clinton delegates, who are busy tonight circulating a petition among delegates as the opening night of the convention, titled "One Nation," gets underway.

"We just want a roll call like you're supposed to have," said one of the delegates collecting signatures for the petition, who asked not to be named because of concern about friction within the party.

The Obama campaign denied that there would be a change.

"This is not true," Jennifer Backus, a senior advisor, said in an email in response to a question about the negotiations for the roll call change.

David Harper of Macon County, Tenn., signed a petition to ensure a floor vote in the hall surrounding the Pepsi Center.

"I came out here by God to vote for her, and I'm going to do it," Harper said, visibly angry about the news.

Kelly Jacobs a die-hard Clinton supporter from Hernando, Miss., an area that went heavily for Clinton, stood in the hall collecting signatures. She said the Clinton backers need 800 to secure a floor vote.

Anything less than that, Jacobs said, would be an insult to her candidate.

"I could have voted from home," Jacobs said. "She is our captain. We don't want to see her disrespected."

She was furious, she said, when she learned this morning that the votes may be held at the delegate hotels instead of on the convention hall floor.

"That's not what we learned in civics class," Jacobs said.

Texas delegate Tory Lauterbach said she has heard about the petition, but is unsure if she will sign it.

"I think the votes should be cast and counted the way they have been historically," she said. "But I don't think every delegate needs to stand and say something. I want a good convention."

So does Sally Phillips of Tampa, Fla. She said that although she is a Clinton supporter, she will undoubtedly support Obama because she doesn't want another Republican in the White House.

"I think the world of her," Phillips said. "I've seen the petition but I'm not going to focus on that."

The discussions come after a long summer in which Clinton delegates have argued for a chance to be heard during the convention. The party wants unity, and the announcement made by Obama and Clinton last week that a floor vote would occur was meant to provide that opportunity.


Denver Post Staff Writer Jessica Fender contributed to this report.


Chuck Plunkett: 303-954-1333 or cplunkett@denverpost.com

 

[Slowlane]

There's still a possibility Clinton is going to try to pull a rabbit out of a hat and grab the nomination. It's slim but it's there.

It ain't over until it's over and this could be far from over.

 

[busybody..]

Clitman, my new best friend!

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

*yawn*

Didn't even listen to Clinton's speech did you? Just parroting idiocy from RWNJ blog sites and crossing your fingers.

McCain is sunk.

 

[busybody..]

*yawn*

Didn't even listen to Clinton's speech did you? Just parroting idiocy from RWNJ blog sites and crossing your fingers.

McCain is sunk.

Are you DUMB?

I wrote about ClitMAN.

Not ClitBITCH


and ClitBITCH's support was generic

Did Margaret Thatcher ever go on and on about how she was a woman? Or kvetch about glass ceilings? Did Indira Gandhi? Did Golda Meir? Didn't they all just get on with it? I thought that Mrs. Clinton's stress on her sex was unseemly — made her seem kind of affirmative-actiony, rather than a person who stands on her own two feet.

By the way, do you know the story about Tito and Mrs. Thatcher? He said, in her presence — referring to the wife he had just fired — "Women shouldn't meddle in politics." Thatcher said, "As for me, I don't meddle in politics — I am politics."

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Are you DUMB?

I wrote about ClitMAN.

Not ClitBITCH


and ClitBITCH's support was generic

Did Margaret Thatcher ever go on and on about how she was a woman? Or kvetch about glass ceilings? Did Indira Gandhi? Did Golda Meir? Didn't they all just get on with it? I thought that Mrs. Clinton's stress on her sex was unseemly — made her seem kind of affirmative-actiony, rather than a person who stands on her own two feet.

By the way, do you know the story about Tito and Mrs. Thatcher? He said, in her presence — referring to the wife he had just fired — "Women shouldn't meddle in politics." Thatcher said, "As for me, I don't meddle in politics — I am politics."

You're starting to sound more and more like crazynice. All she could do was post and repost the same tired old copy and paste bullshit everywhere too..

 

[Faneros]

*yawn*

Didn't even listen to Clinton's speech did you? Just parroting idiocy from RWNJ blog sites and crossing your fingers.

McCain is sunk.

She didn't really come out and whole-heartedly endorse Obama. If you paid attention to her speech, it took off at about the part where she said, “ When I was running for President”…That’s when it kicked in, it was obvious, she talked about her policies, her passions. Oh I know she mentioned Obama a few times, but she was looking out for herself. Nothing wrong with that, but not what they were expecting.

I love Bill getting all choked up and looking all proud....what a fake

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

She didn't really come out and whole-heartedly endorse Obama. If you paid attention to her speech, it took off at about the part where she said, “ When I was running for President”…That’s when it kicked in, it was obvious, she talked about her policies, her passions. Oh I know she mentioned Obama a few times, but she was looking out for herself. Nothing wrong with that, but not what they were expecting.

I love Bill getting all choked up and looking all proud....what a fake

I don't know what speech you listened to (if you did at all), but it obviously wasn't the same one that she gave at the DNC. She talked about supporting Obama several times during her 20 minutes on stage, and repeatedly voiced the need for party unity in getting behind him as the Democratic Candidate.

I can only assume you heard what you wanted to. I'm no fan of Hillary, I never supported her for President, but she made no bones about who is running and who needs the full support of the party behind him.

 

[Faneros]

I don't know what speech you listened to (if you did at all), but it obviously wasn't the same one that she gave at the DNC. She talked about supporting Obama several times during her 20 minutes on stage, and repeatedly voiced the need for party unity in getting behind him as the Democratic Candidate.

I can only assume you heard what you wanted to. I'm no fan of Hillary, I never supported her for President, but she made no bones about who is running and who needs the full support of the party behind him.

I'm not alone in that opinion. The talking heads at the end of her speech all said the same thing. But I was watching her and her ability to give a speech. I thought it ws a good speech, Im jus saying she didnt really talk about Obama (very much) with as much passion as when she talked about her. That says a lot.

Go listen to her speech again. By the way, Obama's wife looks evil....

 

[busybody..]

Once again you caught me. I didnt even realize you were talking ClitMAN, I am dumb and thought you meant ClitBitch. So instead, I will simply shit on you..

 

[busybody..]

I'm not alone in that opinion. The talking heads at the end of her speech all said the same thing. But I was watching her and her ability to give a speech. I thought it ws a good speech, Im jus saying she didnt really talk about Obama (very much) with as much passion as when she talked about her. That says a lot.

Go listen to her speech again. By the way, Obama's wife looks evil....

you may not be alone

but you are wrong, as usual

Many Clinton Supporters Say Speech Didn't Heal Divisions

By Eli Saslow
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, August 27, 2008; A01



DENVER, Aug. 26 -- Hillary Rodham Clinton's most loyal delegates came to the Pepsi Center on Tuesday night looking for direction. They listened, rapt, to a 20-minute speech that many proclaimed the best she had ever delivered, hoping her words could somehow unwind a year of tension in the Democratic Party. But when Clinton stepped off the stage and the standing ovation faded into silence, many of her supporters were left with a sobering realization: Even a tremendous speech couldn't erase their frustrations.

Despite Clinton's plea for Democrats to unite, her delegates remained divided as to how they should proceed.

There was Jerry Straughan, a professor from California, who listened from his seat in the rafters and shook his head at what he considered the speech's predictability. "It's a tactic," he said. "Who knows what she really thinks? With all the missteps that have taken place, this is the only thing she could do. So, yes, I'm still bitter."

There was JoAnn Enos, from Minnesota, who digested Clinton's resounding endorsement of Barack Obama and decided that she, too, will move on and get behind him. "I'll vote for [Obama] in the roll call," she said, "because that's what Hillary wants."

There was Shirley Love, from West Virginia, who smiled at Clinton's composure, waved a button bearing her name and felt a renewed pang of regret that she had lost the nomination. "She deserves it," Love said. "That's the thing that sticks with you. Even if she can move on easily, that's not as easy for everybody else."

Most delegates agreed that Clinton's impassioned speech marked a step toward reconciliation. The crowd in the Pepsi Center stood to applaud almost every time she mentioned Obama by name.

John Burkett, a Pennsylvania delegate and staunch Clinton supporter, attached an Obama button to his shirt. A New Mexico delegate said the "H" on his shirt will be replaced with an "O" come Thursday.

"She hit it right out of the ballpark," said Terie Norelli, New Hampshire's House speaker. "I've never been prouder of a Democrat than I was tonight." Norelli said the speech made her want to work hard for Obama. "She said it better than I ever could have: Everything I worked for and that she worked for would be at risk if we do anything less."

But Clinton's performance fell far short of the panacea the Democratic Party had desperately hoped for, delegates said. Some worried that, after Clinton's public withdrawal, more voters might defect for Republican John McCain or simply stay home.

"I'm not going to vote for Obama. I'm not going to vote for McCain, either," said Blanche Darley, 65, a Texas delegate for Clinton. Darley wore a button saying "Obamination Scares the Hell Out of Me."

"We love her, but it's our vote if we don't trust him or don't like him," said Darley, who was a superdelegate for Bill Clinton in the 1990s.

Weeping, Dawn Yingling, a 44-year-old single mother from Indianapolis, said that the speech was "fabulous" but that she still isn't going to work for the Obama campaign. "She was fabulous, nothing less than I expected. It's hard to sit here and think about she would have accomplished. We're not stupid -- we're not going to vote for John McCain," she said. But she'll limit her campaigning to a House candidate. "It will take a Congress as well as a president. That's what I can do and be true to who I am."

For Clinton's supporters, it was difficult to accept her speech as the public finale of her campaign, because this moment once held such tremendous potential. Shelby Leary, a delegate from West Virginia, stood to watch a video tribute to Clinton's success as a trailblazer and then chanted "Hillary" for 30 seconds with the rest of the crowd. Anne Price, from Washington state, wore a dozen Clinton buttons and wiped tears from her eyes.

It seemed a particularly resonant moment Tuesday night, which marked both Women's Equality Day and the 88th anniversary of women's suffrage.

"There's no way this night couldn't be emotional," Leary said. "A lot of us loved campaigning for her, and it's hard to watch it end. But after something like this, you have to have an emotional end for people to come to terms with things."

Clinton said Tuesday night that it is Obama's convention. But many of her supporters came here exclusively to honor her. One group traveled from New York and built an impromptu museum commemorating Clinton's historic campaign. Another lighted thousands of candles in a park to symbolize her widespread support.

On Tuesday morning, hundreds of loyalists formed a 200-yard parade and marched through downtown. They shouted into loudspeakers and beat drums, creating a cacophony that echoed across the blocks. As they began marching, some of the supporters chanted, "We want a roll call." Many of them wore their opinions on T-shirts: Country Over Party. Damn, We Wish You Were President. Still Making History. Democrats Left Behind.

At the front of the parade route, one banner summarized their message: Hillary. Who Else?

"A lot of people came here just because they wanted to celebrate Hillary," said Elizabeth Fiechter, a New York City lawyer who helped organize the parade. "We get criticism because there's this idea that the election should move on and just leave her behind. We're not going down that quietly."

The week of festivities for Clinton delegates and supporters started Monday with a meet-and-greet, where some supporters learned that they differ from one another more than they originally thought. The most recent Washington Post-ABC News poll showed that only 42 percent of Clinton voters classify themselves as "solidly behind" Obama, and that 20 percent plan to vote for McCain. But in Denver, Clinton supporters sometimes classified themselves as belonging to one of two categories: the sad and the angry.

"It just makes me upset because Hillary would have been the perfect woman to do this job," said Katherine Vincent, from Colorado. "I'm a Democrat first, but it's just difficult to get over."

"I hate Obama so much that I'm going to devote as much time to McCain as I did to Hillary," said Adita Blanco, a Democrat from Edward, Okla., who has never voted for a Republican. "Obama has nothing. He has no experience. The Democratic Party doesn't care about us. You couldn't treat [Clinton] any worse."

Perhaps the best example of the persistent divide in the Democratic Party came after Clinton's speech Tuesday night. The lights went down in the Pepsi Center, and some influential Democrats left downtown for good. They planned to head for the airport and fly home, long before Obama accepts the nomination in a speech at Invesco Field on Thursday night.

Clinton will hold a private meeting with her top financial advisers Wednesday, and many donors plan to leave immediately afterward. Terence R. McAuliffe, Clinton's campaign chairman and the former chairman of the Democratic National Committee, also plans to leave before Obama's speech. Many of the women from 18 Million Voices, Fiechter's pro-Clinton group, booked tickets for Wednesday and Thursday because "we really are taking a position of being indifferent to Obama," Fiechter said.

Clinton's delegates inside the Pepsi Center had no choice but to stick around, at least until the end of Wednesday's roll call.

"I wish I could leave," said Straughan, the professor from California. "To be honest, that would make this whole thing a lot easier."

Staff writers Paul Kane, Alec MacGillis and Shailagh Murray contributed to this report.

 

[Powertone]

Obama is going to repeat the drubbings of Mondale and Dukakis in November.

 

[busybody..]

Obama is going to repeat the drubbings of Mondale and Dukakis in November.

he is losing Dumoh voters and married woman are now only 39% for him, down 10%

 

[Faneros]

you may not be alone

but you are wrong, as usual

Many Clinton Supporters Say Speech Didn't Heal Divisions

By Eli Saslow
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, August 27, 2008; A01



DENVER, Aug. 26 -- Hillary Rodham Clinton's most loyal delegates came to the Pepsi Center on Tuesday night looking for direction. They listened, rapt, to a 20-minute speech that many proclaimed the best she had ever delivered, hoping her words could somehow unwind a year of tension in the Democratic Party. But when Clinton stepped off the stage and the standing ovation faded into silence, many of her supporters were left with a sobering realization: Even a tremendous speech couldn't erase their frustrations.

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Read my posts, dork! I didnt say it healed..............you're a douce bag AND blind

 

[busybody..]

Read my posts, dork! I didnt say it healed..............you're a douce bag AND blind

I meant that to UD, who said that everyone thought the speech was great

Thx for the kind words

 

[Faneros]

I meant that to UD, who said that everyone thought the speech was great

Thx for the kind words

oops....

 

[breakwall]

It's so sad when cousins fight.

 

[busybody..]

Breaky

Remember when you were having multiple ORGASMS caused the KENYAN COLORED FOOL agreed to have Town Hall style debates with THE HERO?

I told you it aint gonna happen, cause the KENYAN COLORED FOOL is a dumb ass away from a telepromter

and he cancelled!

 

[breakwall]

Breaky

Remember when you were having multiple ORGASMS caused the KENYAN COLORED FOOL agreed to have Town Hall style debates with THE HERO?

I told you it aint gonna happen, cause the KENYAN COLORED FOOL is a dumb ass away from a telepromter

and he cancelled!

I've never had even the slightest erection over anything that dude does.
If America wants to vote for the flavour of the month, go for it. But be prepared for a lot of serious policy errors chalked up to "new style thinking" and "unconventional approaches".

That's just nice talk for "rookie mistakes".